Chris Benoit family conference on CNN : official thread
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X26 said:
Excuses != Explanations
If you aren't going to bother to explain how and why things happen, they are prone to happen again.
So many other wrestlers go through the same schedule, same lifestyle, and possibly use the same sorts of medications/drugs Benoit did. If this combination is responsible for causing a chemical imbalance in a person to the point where they can go crazy, it should be researched.
You can shout "evil!" all day...it's not going to accomplish ANYTHING.
DarkJediKnight
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Masta_Killah said:
I'm pretty confident it went something like this:
Wife: "Chris, I decided, this isn't working out and I'm going to divorce you"
Benoit: "There's a PPV coming; can we talk about this another time?"
Wife:" It's always about PPV or some match! I'm divorcing you and taking the boy"
Forceatowulf
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“Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”
What the heck?
What the heck?
Lost Fragment said:
If that's true, then the people who knew and did nothing should be feeling pretty lousy right now. I can see having faith in a friend or peer, but only to a certain extent. I wonder how much Chavo or Regal knew and kept under wraps? Bad particularly on Regal, if he knew... after Benoit helped him with rehab and stuff. Maybe that's why he was all weird last night, because he could've returned the favor and didn't do so.
bjork said:
I think its only natural for someone who was a fan, and looked up to him, to be in denial and not want to believe. Hell, I don't want to believe it either. It's tough. That one act just sours everything you knew before. It's such a drastic change of emotion, in just one day. One day!
People have been watching this guy for years and admired him, and now that has been completely changed. Give people some time to cope and figure it out for themselves.
Forceatowulf said:
Actually, (And I don't agree with this), the old "Eye for an eye" idealogical view supports this, just like how the death penalty works (Especially in the US), once it is carried out, it is seen that the person has paid their debt, and the slate is clean in the eyes of god, now this is slightly different as it was a suicide, but I think it may have the same moral outcome, especially if Benoit killed himself out of guilt, rather than trying to escape justice or whatever.
Anyway, when I first read about this, I was all ready to salute Benoit for a fantastic career, and extend my condolences to the family, however, since this has all unfolded, I just wish to say that I utterly condemn Chris Benoit for his actions, there is nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, that can justify the murder of an innocent child, that is evil, wrong, and plainly ****ing sick, Benoit, you are a ****ing murderous bastard, I wish that Hell actually existed, because you belong there, I hope the WWE wipes his existence from its collective memory, no child murderer has the right to be included in the records of the WWE greats.
N/B: I write the above as a long time WCW, WWF/WWE, and (Currently) TNA fan, and before this Benoit ranked up there in my top 5 favourite wrestlers, this, has totally changed my view on him, and I so wish this didn't happen, but it has, and I hope that the WWE learns from this, and cracks down hard on drug use in the WWE, I can only think right now that if the Wellness program was actually progressed to become full policy, and kept up, that Benoit and his wife and kid may still be here.
Hollywood_mIRC
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This is just ... surreal. I don't know what to say, and I'm just a fan who watched the guy on TV for years. Benoit doing this just betrayed his extended family and friends. Put yourself in Dean Malenko and Chavo Guerrero's shoes - what would you do if a guy you thought of as a close friend did something like this? It's just ... unbelievable.
The way he did it seems like he had a very twisted mental state. He waited a day probably and then killed his son? How does he justify going up and looking his son in the eyes and killing him. He must have been in a very dark, unstable place mentally for that to occur. To do something like that, you have to first justify it, and apparently maybe Benoit fell down the slippery slope after he killed his wife and had twisted thoughts of keeping his family together in another life or so. Isn't this usually the kind of rationale family killers use before suiciding?
This is just unbelievable. I guess no one will ever find out the reason that Benoit snapped on his wife, unless something comes out from Nancy's friends or such. Maybe she demanded a divorce or something. I have no clue what set him off. This is just disappointing, and hopefully in whatever sort of afterlife there is, Benoit sees clearly now what he's done and who he has affected.
The way he did it seems like he had a very twisted mental state. He waited a day probably and then killed his son? How does he justify going up and looking his son in the eyes and killing him. He must have been in a very dark, unstable place mentally for that to occur. To do something like that, you have to first justify it, and apparently maybe Benoit fell down the slippery slope after he killed his wife and had twisted thoughts of keeping his family together in another life or so. Isn't this usually the kind of rationale family killers use before suiciding?
This is just unbelievable. I guess no one will ever find out the reason that Benoit snapped on his wife, unless something comes out from Nancy's friends or such. Maybe she demanded a divorce or something. I have no clue what set him off. This is just disappointing, and hopefully in whatever sort of afterlife there is, Benoit sees clearly now what he's done and who he has affected.
Battlezone
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Chiggs said:
Owen. People STILL-probably in this very thread-crucify Vince for not cancelling that show immediately-if not after the accident, then after it was conclusive that he had passed. I didn't want to think that someone would actually bash WWE for actually cancelling the show under these circumstances, but there ya go. You would have had a distracted live audience, workers that would have barely been able to stand due to their grief, let along perform.
I remember watching Over the Edge-I still have it on tape-and the thing that sticks out to me the most is after the accident, they cut to a crowd shot, ran a vignette for the next match, then cut to a very shaken Jeff Jarrett and Debra who were supposed to be cutting a promo for their next match. I think all he could barely utter was, "I love you, Owen.", and Debra was just in tears. And then the rest of the show was performed in this kinda eerie silence. Nobody-the crowd, the announcers, the performers-really knew what to do, except go through the motions. THAT'S what that show last night would have been like.
I look at it this way-unless there's some crazy twist we don't yet know about, last night's newly-renamed "retrospective" show will be the last we will ever hear about Chris Benoit from the WWE. Last night effectively closed the book on the WWE "Canadian Crippler" Chris Benoit character forever. No Hall of Fame, no "In Memoriam" bumpers, no more videogame appearances, no more toys. The whitewash currently going on WWE.com should be proof of that.
But, regardless of how you may feel about anything being aired at all, Vince did absolutely the right thing in cancelling the live show.
Kano on the Phone
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No it isn't. Chris Benoit was my favorite wrestler and Angle/Benoit from Royal Rumble 2003 was my favorite match ever. I still think he's a piece of shit.jmdajr said:
Masta_Killah
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Boogie said:
We know he's a murderer. All Im saying is for people to not jump to conclusions that he did this because he was evil and heartless, etc.. We don't know what happened this weekend except that 3 people are dead. The investigation has just started, and the investigators gave out their initial report. The reasonings to the event are still yet to be known. And nutbar? Don't you think a person posting in a thread about what the news channels are saying wouldn't know that Benoit committed murder, and not self-defense? Like I said, blood in the eyes.
BlackSalad
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Boogie said:
I agree with your comments in this thread boogie, there is definatly wrong with the 'substance' abuse in the WWE. Whether or not abusing pain killers and steriods had something to do with Benoit's murder/suicide, it definatly didn't help and should absolutely be regulated in the WWE for the saftey of its participants.
DyobolikaL. said:
No one knows the actual thing that set him off, but he apparently had a history of domestic violence and strange paranoid behavior, and had to have that contributed to it to some degree. Could be drugs, could be... lots of things, I suppose. But no one knows other than Benoit.
Kano on the Phone
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Give me one scenario where a man kills his perfectly healthy child and it isn't evil or heartless. One.Masta_Killah said:
Masta_Killah
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DyobolikaL. said:
We don't really know. The investigation has really only started. May take a few days to a couple weeks/months.
Kano on the Phone
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I'm not his friend, so your comparison, like every other one you've made in this or the old thread, is useless.jmdajr said:
Cheebs said:
Holy crap do you have issues with reading comprehension? He asked you a question about a circumstance other than this one, and gave you a hypothetical situation. Answer his question or shut up.
Sheesh...how old are you?
Kano On The Phone said:
A case where his son is riding a bike on the driveway and he puts his car into reverse not knowing he's there.
He must have been in the darkest of places mentally..
I really feel for him and what must have been going through his head. Something nobody should have to go through.
Obviously I feel most for his wife and son for having to be on the receiving end of this madness, I'm sure they'll be in a better place.
As for Chris, maybe people should say a prayer on his behalf?
He's the one who needs them most.
I'm not saying he's not an a-hole for doing what he did, but I doubt he was of the right state of mind when he did it. I'm sure he wasn't the same guy who those around him knew and loved.
Remember, it's the ones who are lost who need to be saved.
*I know this isn't the most accepted line of thinking on NeoGaf btu I's what I believe and what was on my mind. At the very least I didn't get into details.
I really feel for him and what must have been going through his head. Something nobody should have to go through.
Obviously I feel most for his wife and son for having to be on the receiving end of this madness, I'm sure they'll be in a better place.
As for Chris, maybe people should say a prayer on his behalf?
He's the one who needs them most.
I'm not saying he's not an a-hole for doing what he did, but I doubt he was of the right state of mind when he did it. I'm sure he wasn't the same guy who those around him knew and loved.
Remember, it's the ones who are lost who need to be saved.
*I know this isn't the most accepted line of thinking on NeoGaf btu I's what I believe and what was on my mind. At the very least I didn't get into details.
Hollywood_mIRC
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Also I wanna point out the timeframe - Benoit waited hours before hanging himself. No note found, but I wonder if something comes out electronically - like a note left on a computer, or what his text message said.
Keyser Soze
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It really, really, reallly ****ing annoys me when we hear about these warning signs after the terrible event... THEY ARE WARNING SIGNS SHOULD YOU NOT HAVE DONE SOMETHING BACK THEN?!
Masta_Killah
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Kano On The Phone said:
Im at work, so I can't "google" it, but jmdajr brought up Andrea Yates as fine example of a person suffering from some sort of mental disease, killing 5 of her perfectly healthy children. There have also been many reports of women who did the same thing.
BlackSalad said:
I'm sure some program will be revamped as a result of this. Any time the press mentions WWE and steroids together, they suddenly unveil some new program to combat substance abuse.
But Jake Roberts explained the problem best: you fly to a town, take downers to sleep, then you need something to wake you up for the show, and repeat it the next day. If you drink or do any other drugs on top of that, it just adds to your troubles. I'd assume there's many guys on the roster who face this kind of problem daily.
I believe the problem lies in the scheduling. You take a guy like Hogan, who obviously has done drugs, but he didn't stroke out or have any weirdness that we know of. But he's also a big enough draw that he can negotiate for time off and not have to worry about money. Other guys are not as fortunate, because not everyone can be Hogan. So you're on the road for 300+ days a year, just the travel would **** with you, and then to add drugs and shit on top of that?
I understand that the product is driven by storylines, and you actually need guys there to keep the storylines going, but perhaps they could find some way to shuffle guys in and out so they get a decent break once in awhile? Like... I don't like Cena, but he's been going for 2-3 years straight, so you know he's gotta be burnt. Taking him off the show would hurt t-shirt sales and stuff, but if they can create a new star in his absence, that helps Cena, the new guy, and the company, all at once.
Kano on the Phone
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Which is perfectly acceptable, because she has a tangible medical condition.Masta_Killah said:
I just watched the RAW tribute on youtube.
This entire thing sucks. It's pointless to sit here and accuse him of being a piece of shit or looking for reasons on what might have gone on here. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is a truly shitty event took place.
It's hard for me to out and out dismiss his legacy for what happened. I'm not going to lie. I get what you other guys are saying. This is the ultimate act of betrayal and probably the single worst thing a human being can do. But the guy is just an icon. In this undustry I would go so far as to say he is/was a BIGGER icon than OJ was in football. To make the whole thing even more difficult to swallow, if he truly was about to be given a title run, that just cements his current level of popularity. To just throw all of that away... Well, without question he definitely managed to do that on his own... But how does someone who looked up to him, as I and many others did, how does someone like that let the good memories go?
This is truly a horrible day. To be told you are no longer allowed to idolize the man you once did. Not by you guys or the media, but by your gut. To be told that everything you believed him to be was a lie.
I don't know if I'll ever be able to just out and out dismiss the good memories. I am sorry to say that, but it's the truth. Even though the matches and storylines he put on will never be the same, the thought of saying that a portion of my past, something I believed in, was a lie is very difficult to swallow.
Like I Said, dissecting it at this point is meaningless. It is just a horrible tragedy all around. From the needless deaths of a mother and her child, to the horrific self-destruction of one of the greatest performers wrestling has ever known.
wtf indeed.
This entire thing sucks. It's pointless to sit here and accuse him of being a piece of shit or looking for reasons on what might have gone on here. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is a truly shitty event took place.
It's hard for me to out and out dismiss his legacy for what happened. I'm not going to lie. I get what you other guys are saying. This is the ultimate act of betrayal and probably the single worst thing a human being can do. But the guy is just an icon. In this undustry I would go so far as to say he is/was a BIGGER icon than OJ was in football. To make the whole thing even more difficult to swallow, if he truly was about to be given a title run, that just cements his current level of popularity. To just throw all of that away... Well, without question he definitely managed to do that on his own... But how does someone who looked up to him, as I and many others did, how does someone like that let the good memories go?
This is truly a horrible day. To be told you are no longer allowed to idolize the man you once did. Not by you guys or the media, but by your gut. To be told that everything you believed him to be was a lie.
I don't know if I'll ever be able to just out and out dismiss the good memories. I am sorry to say that, but it's the truth. Even though the matches and storylines he put on will never be the same, the thought of saying that a portion of my past, something I believed in, was a lie is very difficult to swallow.
Like I Said, dissecting it at this point is meaningless. It is just a horrible tragedy all around. From the needless deaths of a mother and her child, to the horrific self-destruction of one of the greatest performers wrestling has ever known.
wtf indeed.
TheGreatDave
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He wouldn't have killed himself in any scenario that involved him being innocent. This is sad, ****ing confusing news.
jobber
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BigGreenMat
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I just want to say I think it would be absolutely bizarre to live through some of the people's here worldviews. I mean the absolute contrast of everything must make it incredibly arbitrary.
Battlezone
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bjork said:
And this isn't just a WWE thing either. I'm sure any of the wrestling fans here can rattle off any number of "drove ten hours to a show, wrestled for five, got paid forty bucks, slept for twenty minutes, then drove to the next town" anecdotes from their favorite wrestler. It's a symptom of the business. While changing WWE's touring schedule would be ideal, it's still not going to change the guy that's working 300 days a year just to try and get to the WWE. Something in the business itself will have to change.
Also, just because I'm quoting bjork, I've become very curious in hearing what Warrior has to say about all this.
I dont like using the term "evil" because it oversimplifies everything.
Evil to me is knowing something is wrong and doing it anyway.
Very rarely do people do things knowing they are wrong. In some way they have justified it to themselves, that they are doing what is right.
Im an existentialist which makes me very big on personal responsibility, and Chris is personally responsible for what he did... however, that isnt to say he is "evil". That also isnt to say that other people arent also somewhat responsible for what happened as well.
For instance, if my friend gets a DUI its his fault for driving, but if I could have taken away the keys.. its my fault to, to some lesser extent.
I dont know, maybe Im the exception to this, I think I can divorce Benoit the wrestler from Benoit the person. Just like I can watch movies from people I dont personally like. The person in that ring wasnt Chris.. The Rabbid Wolverine was a charachter he played... and I can watch and enjoy that still.
Evil to me is knowing something is wrong and doing it anyway.
Very rarely do people do things knowing they are wrong. In some way they have justified it to themselves, that they are doing what is right.
Im an existentialist which makes me very big on personal responsibility, and Chris is personally responsible for what he did... however, that isnt to say he is "evil". That also isnt to say that other people arent also somewhat responsible for what happened as well.
For instance, if my friend gets a DUI its his fault for driving, but if I could have taken away the keys.. its my fault to, to some lesser extent.
I dont know, maybe Im the exception to this, I think I can divorce Benoit the wrestler from Benoit the person. Just like I can watch movies from people I dont personally like. The person in that ring wasnt Chris.. The Rabbid Wolverine was a charachter he played... and I can watch and enjoy that still.
BlueTsunami
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Thats just ****en creepy
SnakeswithLasers
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jmdajr said:
People who admired the guy's physical/professional accomplishments are allowed to write him off very quickly upon discovering that he is a multiple murderer - despite whatever "reasons" he may have had for doing it.
Friends/family don't have the same luxury.
You're making a ludicrous comparison and a weak point.
itsinmyveins
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StoOgE said:
QFT.
EDIT: I guess we're not talking about stealing a candy bar or a can of soda here either, but about different situations. I mean, stealing is wrong, but it's hardly evil.
Wrestlemania
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Mental illness.Kano On The Phone said:
Arrowgigantic
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I want you guys to share the secret of how you've gone through life and never gotten fooled by someone who seemed like a decent person-- not only to you, but many other people.
Obviously it would be very helpful to me to know when someone seems like not-a-spree-murderer just like 99.999999% of everyone out there, but in actuality is very obviously a spree murderer.
It would also help for little things like knowing if my dry cleaner is hoping that I don't notice he put a hole in my shirt.
Obviously it would be very helpful to me to know when someone seems like not-a-spree-murderer just like 99.999999% of everyone out there, but in actuality is very obviously a spree murderer.
It would also help for little things like knowing if my dry cleaner is hoping that I don't notice he put a hole in my shirt.
BlackSalad
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bjork said:
I dont think you can blame scheduling for the reason behind drug abuse in pro-wrestling, its just the complete tolerance the organizations like WWE has with the drugs. Professional Tennis players, for instance, typically play upwards of a hundred matches around the world but can get randomly drug tested anywhere, even their own home. I think if organizations like the WWE really cared about their employees they would research and seriously regulate for once what their entertainers are putting in their bodies.
Battlezone said:
I would assume it'll be the usual "the industry is filled with spoiled little boys who don't grow into men because they let their minds trap them" ramble, followed with a self-glorifying recap of how he got into the industry, carried a full schedule for about 5 years total, and made enough money to cash out early and not wind up like his ex-peers.
BlackSalad said:
I agree with the testing, but I don't think they could realistically enforce it without eliminating half of their roster. That's what makes it lax. They're willing to pass over discipline if cutting a guy is going to harm their overall product.
SnakeswithLasers
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bjork said:
Warrior rules.
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