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Threats of Murder - Physical violence, threats and intimidation are present in many abusive relationships. The risk of homicide increases when a woman leaves an abusive relationship. Fear of death or serious injury is a very real thing! An abuser may threaten suicide as well as homicide. A situation like this is especially lethal because someone who is suicidal may not be concerned with consequences of his actions. According to the Washington State Fatality Review Report, “Honoring Their Lives, Learning from Their Deaths” by Margaret Hobart (December 2000), abusers were suicidal in 35% of domestic violence fatalities studied. The report also states that suicidal abusers were more likely to kill multiple victims.
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Hollywood_mIRC said:
The federal government needs a crackdown on wrestling once and for all - tracing every single one of these doctors with their name on it back.
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I can think of, like, fifty thousand topics that are, and should be, far more important to the federal government than a steroids/wrestling crackdown.
 
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
Brings Chris Rock's bit to mind... "What happened to crazy'? What, you can't be crazy no more? Did we eliminate 'crazy' from the dictionary?"
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Pretty much. Also it appears that the term "accountability" has fallen by the wayside too. Even if someone is guilty of something there are people who feel the need to have a reason for it served up on a plate. Some group or something has to be blamed, especially when you are trying to get compensated for said tragedy.

I realize that many are WWE fans and some are fans of Benoit but quite a few a simply missing the most important point. Even the WWE is trying to cover their ass with the steroid memo. Notice the emphasis of their reply is on the lack of steroids.

Really kind of sad.
 
Chiggs said:
I can think of, like, fifty thousand topics that are, and should be, far more important to the federal government than a steroids/wrestling crackdown.
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Not every topic going to the government has to do with war, peace, weaponry, world hunger, etc you know? The government already took Vince to trial in the early 90's and he got off. The government has already come down on MLB. There's a wide rangle of issues that goto the government, its not like they rank them by importance 1 to 50,000 and have to focus on one at a time.
 
bdoughty said:
When it is all said and done, Chris Benoit will be a man who killed his wife and 7 year old son. The only person who really knows why it happened is dead. People are always trying to reason why these things happen and need some explanation for everything. If anything threads like this show what is wrong with society. Most of the time is spent vilifying or trying to defend the actions of the murderer, when the main concern should be for the innocent that were lost.

You watched the guy on TV. You have no clue what type of person he was outside of the TV. Just stop.
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Agreed. I'm not about to defend Benoit here, because there's really nothing to defend, but the people who are using this to point out how much better people they are than others need to get over themselves, on both sides.

I'm not really willing to make the claim that Benoit was "a horrible person" overall based just on this horrific and awful thing he did at the very end of his life. Which certainly does NOT mean I'm willing to say anything good about his character either. I don't know the man, never met him, obviously never will. But this was clearly a man with serious pathological issues and demons, some that might have been related to steroid use, some that might not have been, who knows. I don't know what drove him to kill his wife, though there are any number of reasons why it happens (none of which are justified). As for his son, a man who kills a child, especially his own, with no intention of getting away with it, is clearly a man who has completely lost it and is no longer either sane or capable of normal rational thought. The layover between the death of his wife and the death of his son seems like it indicates that Benoit must have come to some realization of what he had done to his wife and completely broke apart trying to figure out what to do about it. It's not hard for a guy to go from just being enraged or crazy to being completely psychotic with grief and self-loathing at that point.

And he must have been self-loathing since he killed himself. One doesn't do that when they're proud of what they've done. That doesn't exonerate him, though, and if there is another life to look forward to, he is going to pay for it with hell, if you believe such things.


Anyway, that's how I see it, and I don't plan to ponder the murderous actions of Chris Benoit any further. I don't see any point wasting any more time on this man. You can't punish the dead anymore, nor can you undo any of the things they've done, both good and ill. Your thoughts should be with the extended Benoit family and their friends who actually have to keep on living with this tragedy rather than spending your time deciding on "just how evil was this man?"
 
MetatronM said:
Agreed. I'm not about to defend Benoit here, because there's really nothing to defend, but the people who are using this to point out how much better people they are than others need to get over themselves, on both sides.

I'm not really willing to make the claim that Benoit was "a horrible person" overall based just on this horrific and awful thing he did at the very end of his life. Which certainly does NOT mean I'm willing to say anything good about his character either. I don't know the man, never met him, obviously never will. But this was clearly a man with serious pathological issues and demons, some that might have been related to steroid use, some that might not have been, who knows. I don't know what drove him to kill his wife, though there are any number of reasons why it happens (none of which are justified). As for his son, a man who kills a child, especially his own, with no intention of getting away with it, is clearly a man who has completely lost it and is no longer either sane or capable of normal rational thought. The layover between the death of his wife and the death of his son seems like it indicates that Benoit must have come to some realization of what he had done to his wife and completely broke apart trying to figure out what to do about it. It's not hard for a guy to go from just being enraged or crazy to being completely psychotic with grief and self-loathing at that point.

And he must have been self-loathing since he killed himself. One doesn't do that when they're proud of what they've done. That doesn't exonerate him, though, and if there is another life to look forward to, he is going to pay for it with hell, if you believe such things.


Anyway, that's how I see it, and I don't plan to ponder the murderous actions of Chris Benoit any further. I don't see any point wasting any more time on this man. You can't punish the dead anymore, nor can you undo any of the things they've done, both good and ill. Your thoughts should be with the extended Benoit family and their friends who actually have to keep on living with this tragedy rather than spending your time deciding on "just how evil was this man?"
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well spoken. Friends and family are going to have it rough. I wish them the best in having to cope with all of this.
 
I know some wrestlers here that run on an independent organization. I talked with them before and after the press conference. Both times, they said despite what Benoit may or may have done, they will still remember him for the talents he brought to the ring and the great things he did with his life. I'm not going to condemn the man. It's not my place. It's not any of your places. If there is a god, it's his place. The fact is, we may never know what happened. So instead of jumping to lynch a dead man's memory, why don't we remember the great things that he did and the wonderful matches he put on for OUR entertainment.
 
laserbeam said:
Roiad rage is certainly possible. It would explain the way the wife was killed. being tied up and choked to death.

Anabolic Steroids are famous for roid rage and depression among other symptoms. He could very well have snapped and went into a rage then when it came down he realized what he did hence the bibles.

Pure hatred wouldnt lead to him placing bibles by the bodies then killing himself. He had to have snapped in some way then came back to reality. It's at that point he killed himself.

Not trying to defend the situation or anything. Its a terrible thing thats happened and a sad day for everyone involved family and coworkers
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That's only if we're all assuming he had steroids in his body.
 
JdFoX187 said:
I know some wrestlers here that run on an independent organization. I talked with them before and after the press conference. Both times, they said despite what Benoit may or may have done, they will still remember him for the talents he brought to the ring and the great things he did with his life. I'm not going to condemn the man. It's not my place. It's not any of your places. If there is a god, it's his place. The fact is, we may never know what happened. So instead of jumping to lynch a dead man's memory, why don't we remember the great things that he did and the wonderful matches he put on for OUR entertainment.
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Glad there are still some voices of reason in these threads...
Like MetatronM also.
 
JdFoX187 said:
So instead of jumping to lynch a dead man's memory, why don't we remember the great things that he did and the wonderful matches he put on for OUR entertainment.
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Great things, wonderful matches, our entertainment...

Is society this enamored with entertainers and so desynthesized to murder?

He killed his wife and seven year old son. I think "your entertainment and your fond memories" are pretty low priorities.
 
ESPN.com reports that D.A. Scott Ballard said Daniel Benoit, Chris and Nancy Benoit's seven year old son, had needle marks on his arm. They believe he had been given growth hormone because one or both of them believed he was undersized.

ESPN.com also reports that Ballard said:

-Benoit hanged himself from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment. Benoit used weights, the pulley, and a cable to choke himself to death.

-The decomposition of the bodies was staggered enough for them to determine the staggered times of death.

-Regarding the text message Benoit sent, he said: "And our assumption is that that was an effort to try to get somebody to come find the bodies after the suicide. That is our assumption."

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HOLY SHIT. This must have been one ****ed up family for them to do something like the first thing.
 
bdoughty said:
Great things, wonderful matches, our entertainment...

Is society this enamored with entertainers and so desynthesized to murder?

He killed his wife and seven year old son. I think "your entertainment and your fond memories" are pretty low priorities.
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I don't know if he killed them or not. I don't care what the investigators say. There's a chance he did it. They probably went in, saw him dead and the family and figured it was an open and shut case. I know how cops work, I'm around them all the time. They take the easiest and quickest way out.

If he did kill them, then it's still not my place to judge him. If he killed them, what he did was wrong. But Im not going to go batshit crazy like the rest of GAF is doing and start condemning him and saying he should burn in hell.

Wasn't there a passage in the Bible that said something like "he who is free of sin cast the first stone." Or it was something like that. It's none of our places to judge the man in life or death.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
What did he do?
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"WELL, THIS ONE TIME BACKSTAGE, A YOUNGER WRESTLER DISRESPECTED SHAWN MICHAELS, SO CHRIS MADE HIM DO A THOUSAND SQUATS! HE WAS ALL ABOUT RESPECT."

JdFoX187 said:
Wasn't there a passage in the Bible that said something like "he who is free of sin cast the first stone." Or it was something like that. It's none of our places to judge the man in life or death.
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Truly, the final word on morality.
 
Hollywood_mIRC said:
ESPN.com reports that D.A. Scott Ballard said Daniel Benoit, Chris and Nancy Benoit's seven year old son, had needle marks on his arm. They believe he had been given growth hormone because one or both of them believed he was undersized.
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WTF
 
Also from pwtorch.com - they said the substance of the text was Benoit said "the dogs are fed and the doors are unlocked". Wow, thats pretty crazy and odd.
 
JdFoX187 said:
He was also the role model
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Like Neo or Luke Skywalker? I mean, he's just playing a character. Even if you have to do it everytime you are in public to maintain your cred, it's still acting. We didn't know who he was and nobody should have made him a role model.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Like Neo or Luke Skywalker? I mean, he's just playing a character. Even if you have to do it everytime you are in public to maintain your cred, it's still acting. We didn't know who he was and nobody should have made him a role model.
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I've talked to five different independent wrestlers today for a story I'm writing. They all said Benoit was the reason they got into the business. I'd say that's something.

But I'm done here. I tried to bring reason here and that was insane against the GAF lynch mob.
 
JdFoX187 said:
I don't know if he killed them or not. I don't care what the investigators say. There's a chance he did it. They probably went in, saw him dead and the family and figured it was an open and shut case. I know how cops work, I'm around them all the time. They take the easiest and quickest way out.

If he did kill them, then it's still not my place to judge him. If he killed them, what he did was wrong. But Im not going to go batshit crazy like the rest of GAF is doing and start condemning him and saying he should burn in hell.

Wasn't there a passage in the Bible that said something like "he who is free of sin cast the first stone." Or it was something like that. It's none of our places to judge the man in life or death.
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Based on the bible that you bring up, he would do just that and more. See suicide is considered murder according to the bible. So you might stay away from quoting the bible. Someone on the other side could quote, "an eye for an eye." Is that not judging the accused?

okay back to my original point, that many of you are missing the point.
 
JdFoX187 said:
I've talked to five different independent wrestlers today for a story I'm writing. They all said Benoit was the reason they got into the business. I'd say that's something.
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If you had said "doctors" or "teachers" you might have had something. As it is, no, that's not something.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Like Neo or Luke Skywalker? I mean, he's just playing a character. Even if you have to do it everytime you are in public to maintain your cred, it's still acting. We didn't know who he was and nobody should have made him a role model.
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So you never paid any attention to the testimonials? Edge, for example, stated a big reason he's in the wrestling business is because of Chris Benoit. But I don't need to further this post to prove he was idolized, whether he did in fact kill his wife and kid or not.
 
JdFoX187 said:
I don't know if he killed them or not. I don't care what the investigators say. There's a chance he did it. They probably went in, saw him dead and the family and figured it was an open and shut case. I know how cops work, I'm around them all the time. They take the easiest and quickest way out.

If he did kill them, then it's still not my place to judge him. If he killed them, what he did was wrong. But Im not going to go batshit crazy like the rest of GAF is doing and start condemning him and saying he should burn in hell.

Wasn't there a passage in the Bible that said something like "he who is free of sin cast the first stone." Or it was something like that. It's none of our places to judge the man in life or death.
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A voice of reason amid a mass mob?
Who would have thought.
 
Chiggs said:
JdFoX187 said:
Wasn't there a passage in the Bible that said something like "he who is free of sin cast the first stone." Or it was something like that. It's none of our places to judge the man in life or death.
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Truly, the final word on morality.
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Stop being an ass - your assertion is irrelevant, trite and petty.
 
Speevy said:
Is the WWE seriously claiming Benoit planned this just to deny steroid use in their organization?
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I saw it more as the steroid version of "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". And they were doing it to cover their arses because otherwise it could be said that they directly contributed to the condition of Benoit rather than indirectly through stress of the job, etc.

That being said, I would like to hear more from the WWE in general about the steps they take to look after the physical and mental wellbeing of their 'stars', both during and after their careers.
 
X26 said:
Not for casual use I'd imagine, and defidentely not without doctors consent (I think?). The kid seemed to be your average, healthy 7yr old boy.
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Maybe. I'm just saying it seems like people tend to jump to conclusions sometimes without necessarily hearing the facts.

Without some context it is hard to parse information.
 
Striker said:
So you never paid any attention to the testimonials? Edge, for example, stated a big reason he's in the wrestling business is because of Chris Benoit. But I don't need to further this post to prove he was idolized, whether he did in fact kill his wife and kid or not.
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I watched the testimonials videos, all of them. When I hear people talking about role models, I think of young kids, not older athletes. I take the Charles Barkley (who was talking about athletes in general, not just himself) view, and I have for a long time.

As far as professional advice goes, maybe he should have pushed them towards UFC or some other sport that actually does steroid testing. I don't think you are doing anybody favors by encouraging them to go into wrestling in its current state.

There is substantial evidence that anabolic steroids cause mental illness. A good percentage of mentally ill people become a threat to others.
 
bdoughty said:
Based on the bible that you bring up, he would do just that and more. See suicide is considered murder according to the bible. So you might stay away from quoting the bible. Someone on the other side could quote, "an eye for an eye." Is that not judging the accused?

okay back to my original point, that many of you are missing the point.
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=/ An "eye for an eye" is a recommendation for a formal system of justice to ensure that society has a way to deal with law offenders. The "glass houses/throw stones"-ish maxim is a basic "everyday life" tenet on how to treat your fellow man.
 
SnakeswithLasers said:
=/ An "eye for an eye" is a recommendation for a formal system of justice to ensure that society has a way to deal with law offenders. The "glass houses/throw stones"-ish maxim is a basic "everyday life" tenet on how to treat your fellow man.
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Everything varies depending on the translation "law of retaliation - let the punishment fit the crime." Not that it would be relevant as in this case Benoit took his own life (self-murder). My point was that there are numerous contradictions in the bible depending on the who is doing translation and what it means to them.
 
FTWer said:
Yes it is, Doctors prescribe them to people who need it.
Really classy for the Sheriff's office to dish out every personal tidbit of the kid there.
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well if you read what was said it seems more like the kid was forced to take the HGH since ma or pa or maybe even both felt he was too scrawny.

A freaking 7 year old kid made to take HGH. if anything it just goes to show the skeletons in the closet of that family.
 
borghe said:
I just watched the RAW tribute on youtube.

This entire thing sucks. It's pointless to sit here and accuse him of being a piece of shit or looking for reasons on what might have gone on here. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is a truly shitty event took place.

It's hard for me to out and out dismiss his legacy for what happened. I'm not going to lie. I get what you other guys are saying. This is the ultimate act of betrayal and probably the single worst thing a human being can do. But the guy is just an icon. In this undustry I would go so far as to say he is/was a BIGGER icon than OJ was in football. To make the whole thing even more difficult to swallow, if he truly was about to be given a title run, that just cements his current level of popularity. To just throw all of that away... Well, without question he definitely managed to do that on his own... But how does someone who looked up to him, as I and many others did, how does someone like that let the good memories go?

This is truly a horrible day. To be told you are no longer allowed to idolize the man you once did. Not by you guys or the media, but by your gut. To be told that everything you believed him to be was a lie.

I don't know if I'll ever be able to just out and out dismiss the good memories. I am sorry to say that, but it's the truth. Even though the matches and storylines he put on will never be the same, the thought of saying that a portion of my past, something I believed in, was a lie is very difficult to swallow.

Like I Said, dissecting it at this point is meaningless. It is just a horrible tragedy all around. From the needless deaths of a mother and her child, to the horrific self-destruction of one of the greatest performers wrestling has ever known.

wtf indeed.
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Exactly how I feel.........it's just messed up.
 
SnakeswithLasers said:
=/ An "eye for an eye" is a recommendation for a formal system of justice to ensure that society has a way to deal with law offenders. The "glass houses/throw stones"-ish maxim is a basic "everyday life" tenet on how to treat your fellow man.
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No such caveat exists in the bible- both verses are applicable in any situation you wish to use them, thats why our formal system of justice does NOT use the bible - including an eye for an eye.
 
I hate people who get all self-righteous or start posting revenge porn when this stuff happens. Chris did a terrible thing, an abominal thing, likely in the heat of the moment. Whether his problems were enhanced by steroids, a life on the road, a difficult marriage, whatever, he gave into a pretty terrible demon and ****ed up his life and the lives of those he cared about.

It's a tragedy. Defending Benoit because you're a fanboy, attacking him in a chest-beating display of moral superiority, these things really miss the point.
 
too bad. Suicide was too good for Beniot. Its a shame he's not forced to rot in jail with the memory of strangling his 7 year old son to death haunting him every minute of his life.
 
Here are the latest news developments regarding the double homicide/suicide involving Chris Benoit, wife Nancy and seven-year-old son Daniel:

X: Tvweek.com is reporting that WWE owner Vince McMahon will apologize on tonight’s ECW telecast for airing a tribute show to Chris Benoit on Monday Night Raw in light of the details about the murder/suicide that have subsequently surfaced. The report also said that McMahon would address media reports attempting to link Benoit’s actions to steroid use.


WWE changes dates, cancels Benoit's stomping grounds shows

The Raw on July 16th has been moved from Calgary to Corpus Christi. This makes up for last night's missed date of Raw in Corpus Christi. The July 17th Smackdown/ECW show was scheduled for Edmonton. It has not been announced as canceled, but one would suspect the date would be moved to Texas as well.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
too bad. Suicide was too good for Beniot. Its a shame he's not forced to rot in jail with the memory of strangling his 7 year old son to death haunting him every minute of his life.
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His wife and kid are dead either way. Probably better for his other children that he did commit suicide, actually.

Hollywood_mIRC said:
X: Tvweek.com is reporting that WWE owner Vince McMahon will apologize on tonight’s ECW telecast for airing a tribute show to Chris Benoit on Monday Night Raw in light of the details about the murder/suicide that have subsequently surfaced. The report also said that McMahon would address media reports attempting to link Benoit’s actions to steroid use.
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Vince should really STFU for once and just cancel the rest of WWE programming for the week.
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
Vince McMahon planning on apologizing for the tribute tonight on ECW.
http://tvweek.com/news/2007/06/mcmahon_to_apologize_for_benoi.php

I can't believe what has transpired these couple of days...
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Crazy indeed. I don't think he should apologise. They did what they thought was the right thing to do at the time and I don't think it was unreasonable. They always assemble a tribute show as quick as possible when someone dies (I'm amazed at how fast they can do it actually, although I've never seen one since I don't get Raw or SD here).
 
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