Jawmuncher
Member
With SFxT not doing as well as they wanted.
Hopping back on the marvel train seems like a good idea if you ask me.
Christian Svensson suggests we tweet Marvel for a Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 update
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With SFxT not doing as well as they wanted.
Hopping back on the marvel train seems like a good idea if you ask me.
You're comparing the Darkstalkers stuff to Sven spouting his usual bullshit?
Rastafarian42
Member
Quick question I have the original Marvel VS Capcom 3 should I exchange it for the Ultimate one ?
Oni Link 666
Member
I doubt you'll get more than a couple of bucks trading in the original, but Ultimate is like, $20, so yeah, get it.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Lots of people use Strider.
Hours Left
Member
He's not the community manager, he's the senior vice president of Capcom USA.
Apparently Capcom Japan requires an extreme amount of convincing for them to take action on anything. He constantly refers to them as the "gatekeepers".
It seems Capcom USA is very similar to NoA.
Sven sucks period.
Karsticles
Member
Sven isn't a community manager, he's the Vice President of Capcom USA. And his pull at the Japanese offices is limited. He legitimately needs our help over here to convince Capcom JP that certain things are worth their time. For example, do you know why Megaman isn't in Marvel vs. Capcom 3? Capcom JP thinks Americans don't like Megaman!
I think the hate toward him is unwarranted. He's willing to take time to talk to fans about stuff, and then fans get upset when they don't like what he has to say. It's gracious of him to maintain an open line of communication. The guy is also clearly a gamer who understands where we are coming from. His play list right now:
One Capcom game on that list.
Instead of thinking that Sven, Seth Killian, Niitsuma, and Ono are all lying bastards when they tell us to get involved, consider that maybe, just maybe, we're actually in a position to influence the outcome of something here. These guys can't move mountains by themselves. Just read how Capcom JP treated Ono when he was trying to revive Street Fighter.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Wait what? I've not heard of that.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Thanks. I'm not surprised with Capcom Japan's method of thinking. Most of time they don't made any right decisions.
Indeed. MvC3 was dead to me when I saw the Marvel selection. I get that Marvel has a different set of priorities, but I'm sorry, NO, I don't give a shit what's going on in the Marvel universe RIGHT NOW, so... Super-Skrull? Taskmaster? MODOK?!? NO, FUCK NO, give people what they actually want.
After that, I say bring on an MvC style game with just Capcom characters. They have enough to draw from that I doubt we'd seriously notice the absence.
exmachina64
Banned
Out of of touch old men at the top of Japanese corporations have no clue what fans want. Deja vu.
what? super skrull was made as a analog for the fantastic four, 4 characters in one.
and whats wrong with Tasky or MODOK? ones got a cult following, the other is a legacy joke character.
what did you want? more x-men characters?
toddhunter
Member
He is being a medium. As in "leave me alone and whinge at these guys for a while because I can't do shit"
Did it really not do well? I got the impression it would have sold well initially. Remember there was about a month when it was the best thing ever.
Professor Beef
Banned
Sven is the only actual lying bastard on that list of names, though.
Karsticles
Member
Example?
exmachina64
Banned
I'd love a good X-Men focused fighting game.
Hours Left
Member
I know a lot of people like to rag on Sven, but I do think he is trying. The whole reason they did that survey a little while ago was so they could send the data to Japan. It seems they are in a constant struggle to get the Japan execs to approve anything. (And if the treatment of Ono is any indicator, it's pretty harsh environment over there.)
Here's a quote from Sven about the survey:
Source
Professor Beef
Banned
How many times do I have to copy/paste the Ace Attorney Investigations 2 debacle before you actually read it?
It's their fault your living in the past and not open to creating new favourites like MvC3 has?
And you feel that it's their fault for including new characters alongside a considerable number of classic favourites to try and push what they're doing today? Sorry but this complaint seems pretty greedy considering the lengths they've gone to already to please fans of older games roster-wise. It always just sounds like a complaint that there are new characters at all in addition to a considerable number of series vets and it's not a carbon copy of MvC2.
toddhunter
Member
I don't blame him and think he has tough task which was my point. I mean if he can't point to something like Marvel at EVO and near 100k viewers and all the drama etc to get an update, then what else is going to work?
Hours Left
Member
UMvC3 is hard because the production team was disbanded a while ago. They are all working on different stuff now. I don't think Capcom Japan would see pulling them all off their current projects to work on an update to a game that didn't meet their (unrealistic) expectations as a top priority, even if Marvel is a hot property right now.
If they would of used a bit of forethought, they would of released one complete version of MvC3 after The Avengers came out and used that hype to boost sales. But they missed that boat.
Karsticles
Member
Once in a post to me?
put in the fact that marvel now isn't even about characters like Gambit or black heart anymore, i'm honestly surprised Marvel let them use Shuma gorath and Ghost rider.
One which is a obscure as hell villain, the other a total 90's character.
toddhunter
Member
I still don't have a clue who Shuma is, besides something I haven't purchased.
But Ghost Rider has a couple of recent movies and another on the way...mind you I haven't seen any of them.
Total 90s character from the early 1970s, who is somewhat well known due to the recent movies.
Professor Beef
Banned
AAI2 admittedly would've been a tough sell in the US because it was hard to get DS games on the shelf during the time. So instead of telling people this, he lied and said that the reason it wasn't being localized was because it didn't sell well, and actually sold worse than Okamiden. What he wasn't expecting was that someone got the NPD numbers and proved it was a lie, and that it sold on par with Apollo Justice (which sold very well).
And as recently as a few months back, he mentions "make sure to buy the latest Phoenix Wright game guys, that way AAI2 has a chance of being localized!" Which is stupider than a kick to the dick to tell people who already don't want to listen to you on the matter.
Hours Left
Member
Sven's most recent comment about AAI2 was just a few weeks ago.
RE: Someone asking why AAI2 wasn't specifically listed in the recent survey:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_cap...estigations-2-in-survey&post_num=15#527536665
RE: Someone asking why AAI2 wasn't specifically listed in the recent survey:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_cap...estigations-2-in-survey&post_num=15#527536665
I dunno, the AAI2 thing is pretty bullshit but Sven is insightful 99% of the time when he gives some cold truths because of the transparency that exists through Capcom-Unity.
I understand why people would be pissed about the AAI2 thing, but to raise the pitchforks and cast the guy off entirely based on one lie amongst all the other gems he's given us over the years is something I won't understand from Beef and others. Once you understand he's an exec and has his limits of how much he can divulge, Sven (and Capcom) is pretty damn transparent and he's provided pretty much the maximum amount of inside knowledge that someone working in the gaming industry can. People get mad at stuff he says that they can't even prove otherwise because it's related to development, which he has no reason to lie about. Sometimes he just gives people answers when they're not ready to hear them, or maybe they shouldn't.
I understand why people would be pissed about the AAI2 thing, but to raise the pitchforks and cast the guy off entirely based on one lie amongst all the other gems he's given us over the years is something I won't understand from Beef and others. Once you understand he's an exec and has his limits of how much he can divulge, Sven (and Capcom) is pretty damn transparent and he's provided pretty much the maximum amount of inside knowledge that someone working in the gaming industry can. People get mad at stuff he says that they can't even prove otherwise because it's related to development, which he has no reason to lie about. Sometimes he just gives people answers when they're not ready to hear them, or maybe they shouldn't.
Reduction for the purpose of addition is not something anyone should be pleased with.
And I'm sorry, MODOK and Taskmaster are not "new" things to Marvel, both were created and heavily featured in comics WELL before I was born, so if Marvel wanted to use them, they have had at least 2 previous opportunities. But when there are still other more-liked characters within the Marvel universe itself that have NEVER been in a Capcom fighting game (or perhaps never been a main but relegated to an assist), let's not make this an "old vs. new" argument. It's not about hating the fact that they aren't vets (look how I excluded Dr. Strange, Thor and Dormammu, for instance), it's about the poor choices itself and what we lost from their inclusion.
Shuma-Gorath is a Dr. Strange villain, an elder demon from a universe where Death itself is extinct. Ruled Earth millions of years ago before being banished by a time-traveling sorcerer and has been trying to enter and re-conquer ever since.
AAAAAAAND I'm out.
Professor Beef
Banned
The problem I have with Sven, besides his lying ways, is that he should keep his fucking mouth shut if he doesn't have anything productive to say instead of dangling a carrot in front of people. If you can't share something for one reason or another, then tell people that. Don't try and be cute and tease people with bullshit. "I can't actually share info about that subject because it'd mean my job" is a better answer than "well if you ask the right people and buy these products you might get something cool WINK WINK."
Karsticles
Member
Thanks.
Except that they're pretty much reducing and building from the ground up anyways, not just building on top of a decade old game. In an age where MUCH more resources are gone into games, you can't just recreate the same shit you did 10 years ago and market it again as being new.. your pretty much setting yourself up for critical and commercial failure. Not an option.
All that matters is that they are new to the series. Pretty much every Marvel character people care about goes back way before we were all born to some degree, but they've had different times to shine. Marvel used the characters it did in the previous games because that was when they were shining. Now Marvel gives us 2/3 of the cast of favourites, and people can't tolerate a third of wildcards? A third of hopeful new favourites? They weren't chosen based upon how many stripes they have in the comics alone, remember that gameplay was the first deciding factor in what characters got into the game, hence the likes of MODOK and Nova who play pretty much nothing like any other character in the series. Marvel gave them a list, Capcom chose the ones they could best extract a unique gameplay style out of to try and make new favourites like Blackheart and more in previous games, and I think they've succeeded with characters like Nova, RR and Strange especially.
This I entirely respect, and this is part of the reason why I feel the Legends 3 fiasco was as bad as it is and a prime example of such. The obligation of transparency has bit them in the back, combined with the Megaman fanbase that has proven they feel they deserve special rights, it's a bad mixture.
I do think "I can't share info because it'd cost me my job" is also a form of cockteasing though.
Professor Beef
Banned
I don't think "jamboree" is that good of a name for a fighter. Do you think you could shorten it a bit?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Capcom Fightingoree?
can we play that together? <3
Karsticles
Member
"omg blackheart blackherart..( i hate u capcom" " omg i'll slit my wrist if don't see cyclops" Get over it they have products to push and a good chunk of the characters are in the game.Sounds like the same people that cried over SF3:TS not having the same characters ∞.
crimzonflame
Member
Lol fuck capcom and Disney
Karsticles
Member
Maxmillian jumped on the Marvel update train:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R22Zbe2Mq9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R22Zbe2Mq9o
Ban Puncher
Member
Fans doing Capcom's work because that works.
"omg blackheart blackherart..
Popular character push sales. SF3 may have done better if it had Blanka.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Bullshit he used to spout in relation to darkstalkers, I recall.
I just at this point think there is an ulterior motive any time the man comments on anything these days. I wouldn't take this tweet business at face value.
Who is essentially unpaid capcom pr at this point.
Well, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but it just seems like a cynical ploy to me.
Karsticles
Member
I think you're cynical enough for all of us.