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Circumcision.. What do Evolutionary Biologists/Naturalists/Darwinists think?
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miller.skippins
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As a chinese, the idea of circumcision is weird and foreign since it's definitely not normal in our culture to 'snip off parts of the dicks'.
Also, i don't get the argument that uncircumcised dicks are 'dirty'. Our moms had been educating us to wash our dicks (thoroughly i might add) since young at least twice a day (first thing in the morning, last thing at night)....and wipe it clean (with paper napkins) when you are peeing....
the first time i've heard of circumcision and cutting dicks off, i thought it's some foreigner's idea of an eunuch. you are cutting 'parts' of your dick!!! (even though it's just the skin)......how can that be NOT horrible.
Also, i don't get the argument that uncircumcised dicks are 'dirty'. Our moms had been educating us to wash our dicks (thoroughly i might add) since young at least twice a day (first thing in the morning, last thing at night)....and wipe it clean (with paper napkins) when you are peeing....
the first time i've heard of circumcision and cutting dicks off, i thought it's some foreigner's idea of an eunuch. you are cutting 'parts' of your dick!!! (even though it's just the skin)......how can that be NOT horrible.
Subjective (totally relative to culture) and not sustained to your one and two.
There's no rational debate about this online.
Circumcised people will pressure you to do it seeing as they underwent it themselves, uncircumcised people will pressure you to not do it.
I'd say leave it to your son. There's absolutely 0 downside to having him decide for himself later, and circumcision is steadily getting less popular over time, so it could very well be you saved him a completely unnecessary surgical procedure in the end.
Circumcised people will pressure you to do it seeing as they underwent it themselves, uncircumcised people will pressure you to not do it.
I'd say leave it to your son. There's absolutely 0 downside to having him decide for himself later, and circumcision is steadily getting less popular over time, so it could very well be you saved him a completely unnecessary surgical procedure in the end.
This part makes no sense. You have basically said "It's irrelevant what YOU think mutilation means, because I'M telling you it means this."
A couple of dictionary definitions:
So again, no, I don't think mutilation is the right word at all.
JordanN
Banned
Then you must not be familiar with what the procedure involves.
How is what you just quoted not applicable to circumcision? It's irreparably damaging someone's genitals. Your semantics do not change this fact.
What now? I was literally present when it took place and saw the whole thing.
Because we disagree that it is damaging. Why is this hard to understand?
Fixed for accuracy. It doesn't even look different when you're most likely to show it to other people.
That, plus "looking better" to Americans is just a result of it being the norm among them.
OK. Then maybe you don't understand the words "disfigure" "irreparably" "damaging" or "injury".
Let me help you. By removing a part of the penis, you are disfiguring it. You can't put it back on, so it's irreparable. The procedure is quite violent and causes damage and injury (hence crying, blood, gauze, etc).
Circumcision is, by definition, mutilation.
I understand it might be easier to pretend you don't understand the meaning of the word than to come to terms with that fact.
Okay well, talk to your kid when they're older and ask them if they would have preferred if you had given them a choice. Should be an enlightening conversation.
Kain-Nosgoth
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quoting because more people need to see that...
don't mutilate your child, whatever the reason! Let him decide later! And yes, even if ti's less damaging, it's still an horrible thing to do like FGM
You can't just change the definition of words when you feel like it.
The procedure is damaging healthy tissue if done for aesthetic reasons. The resulting lack of lubrication and protection of the gland can be regarded as damaging as well.
Sure, you probably won't suffer any sweeping consequences from it, but it's still irreparably damaging no matter how much you disagree or not.
If there's a proper medical indication for circumcision, then i'm all for it. But otherwise you're just putting someone through completely unnecessary surgery that involves damaging healthy tissue for aesthetic/religious reasons.
Nostremitus
Member
So... Does that also apply to the person you are talking to and his parents? Because that conversation would not go the way you expect.
4/4 for me. Good stuff. Evolutionary peak.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Err, this is pretty much what circumcision is.
It removes parts of the penis, thus disfiguring it.
It is irreparable. Foreskin don't grow back.
And here is where I'm getting so confused. Why should circumcision be okay if you're religious?
Maybe his kid will be okay with it. But my parents asked me about my circumcision a while back, and my thoughts back then were my thoughts now. I just don't want anyone else to have to wake up in their teens and realize that they've been permanently altered because of religious or cultural reasons. It's not a good feeling.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
i don't think he means it's okay, he just means there's litterally NO reason to do it when you're not religious! Relgious people have in fact a reason to do it, even though it's fucked up and they shouldn't
Nostremitus
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Completely removing any chance of phimosis or paraphimosis is a perfectly sound, logical reason for circumcision.
That's like pulling healthy teeth to prevent them from getting cavities. Or pre-emptively removing a gall-bladder for the off chance you develop gallstones.
Phimosis is not all that common and can be properly treated if and when it occurs (which, if it happens, most often is at a very young age). This is not a sound, logical reason for circumcision at all.
I wish I'd read this post earlier. Thanks man, I will definitely not do this to my kid.
Both complications that can be solved later in life if needed.
Good lord. I'm really not going to sit here all day and google each and every word for you, but for the last time...
Circumcisions are not done with with intent to hurt, damage or kill. You really can't be arguing that? Surely? As for whether or not it's 'damaging' is something we simply disagree on, which leads me to...
Does it change the normal function of a penis? Yes it does. Does it impair normal function? The medical profession would contend that it does not.
Entirely subjective.
You mean irreversible.
As for crying, blood and dressing, a child gets these (to an admittedly lesser extent) when they have their 8 week vaccinations.
I'm more than happy to disagree with you on the merits/demerits of circumcision. I just find it objectionable that you try to paint it as a brutal traumatic event intended to do harm.
No it's not. That's like saying removing your toenails to avoid toenail fungus is a logical reason. You can easily treat most phimosis with steroid creams and stretches, if it even happens. Surgery should always be a last resort because it has its own risks involved, obviously described earlier on this page.
Chuck Norris
Banned
If circumcised he will never know true sexual pleasure
Yeah but more importantly circumcision can cause death in a baby.
By your argument, female genital mutilation is also okay. Please explain why if you disagree with this.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You're experiencing some heavy cognitive dissonance if you're seriously trying to equivocate the pain and trauma between these two procedures, especially when considering how much more important to global health on a massively larger scale vaccinations are relative to circumcision.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
then let just cut your whole dick to remove any chance of STD... what kind of reasoning is that?
If you happen to have phimosis or paraphimosis, there's treatment for that, don't mutilate your child just because of a really small chance that it could happen
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Given the rarity of the condition, as well as the ease of prevention and treatment, it is not a perfectly sound, logical reason.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
The mutilation of genetalia is a purely religious thing that primarily exists in Africa, the Middle East and North America. I see it as a symptom of an unhealthy view on sexuality. Only through education can we combat this abominable treatment of boys and girls.
Chuck Norris
Banned
And no circumcision completely removes the chance of a botched surgery that results in a disfunctional or removed penis
https://www.google.ae/amp/www.emira...rgery-2016-07-21-1.636411?ot=ot.AMPPageLayout
This is scary, I'm not gonna put my child at risk.
OP I still think you should discuss this matter with your wife but seriously consider how painful and harmful it is to your child.
This is scary, I'm not gonna put my child at risk.
OP I still think you should discuss this matter with your wife but seriously consider how painful and harmful it is to your child.
Fucking hell. I feel zero obligation to defend your ludicrous leap of thinking, but to quote the NHS guidance:
Androidsleeps
Member
Uncut dicks are the superior dicks.
Sincerely,
A cut dick.
Sincerely,
A cut dick.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
Fuck, I just sprained my ankle. It was super painful and I have to go to the doctors to get medication for it. If only my dad had insisted on removing my foot when I was a baby. I'd never have had a sprained ankle.
Hindsight's 20:20 though...
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
I'm sure people that circumcize their kids are the same that cut the tail off their dogs, same exact arguments.
There is no health benefit, you are just torturing your newborn. What's next? Cut its ear?
There is no health benefit, you are just torturing your newborn. What's next? Cut its ear?
Iriscomeback
Member
How the hell do you even masturbate without foreskin? You tickle it?
HappehLemons
Member
Even if most of this is correct, and I bet there's a lot of good reasons to not get cut. But including this "discredit" of myth number 4 almost makes this whole thing questionsable. PTSD, Depression and anger? That's just bullshit. During my life I have heard more people complain about NOT being cut. Never in my life met someone who says they wish they weren't or that being cut lead them to some kind of source of anger or depression.
Although I have directly heard of not being cut causing more anger and depression because of awkward sexual encounters at the very least.
You could have had cybernetic legs and become superhero
I almost cried reading that. The idea of inflicting that on my little boy shakes me to my core.
Who can look at their beautiful newborn boy and think "yeah, bring in the dude with the scalpel".
I'll probably rile a few posters up here but I genuinely feel that some posters here are more trying to convince themselves more than others they they did the right think in circumcising their kid. I sense shame.
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