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Clinton campaign backs intelligence briefing for electors before Dec 19th
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Earthstrike
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Pretty sure Bernie Bros are the sorest losers.
For everyone saying there will be a civil war if the EC chooses clinton, it will completely depend on the evidence they hear, and if that evidence is made public.
Picture this scenario. There are emails found from the Trump Campaign that show a deal was made with the Russians to hack the DNC. In exchange for the hack, Trump would nominate people to cabinet positions that would favor Russian interests.
In this scenario, I would like to think that even a majority of Trump supports would be OK with Trump not being elected president.
If it was just Russia trying to get Trump elected without any agreement with the Trump Campaign, I don't see the EC overturning the results. There has to be something that makes Trump look like a traitor / Manchurian candidate for the country to accept overturning the election results.
Picture this scenario. There are emails found from the Trump Campaign that show a deal was made with the Russians to hack the DNC. In exchange for the hack, Trump would nominate people to cabinet positions that would favor Russian interests.
In this scenario, I would like to think that even a majority of Trump supports would be OK with Trump not being elected president.
If it was just Russia trying to get Trump elected without any agreement with the Trump Campaign, I don't see the EC overturning the results. There has to be something that makes Trump look like a traitor / Manchurian candidate for the country to accept overturning the election results.
minor effort
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The calls for an investigation into foreign influence in this election is now bipartisan. Additionally, it's not the same thing. Trump was trying to cast doubt over results of the election and floating a refusal to concede prior to election day.
KernelPanic
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Why isn't the Trump campaign saying they will fully cooperate with any investigation and are confident they will be cleared of any wrong doing?
This is what I'd expect anyone to say in Trump's situation.
This is what I'd expect anyone to say in Trump's situation.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
That's a hell of a scenario, but there's barely any time left to find said evidence, and there's no way the CIA would be sitting on it if they already had it
Your hate mongering towards Clinton could not be more obvious. She conceded, the day AFTER the election. Trump said multiple times he would only accept the results for sure if he won. Calling for the electors to be educated on foreign influence (which is something both sides support), is not being a sore looser.
HP_Wuvcraft
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This is not the same thing as refusing to concede an election. Holy shit.
Omegasquash
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Any evidence of communication would be ash in the fireplace at this point. And that's if there was any communication.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I doubt the EC will be able to keep Trump away from the White House, but if enough people manage to send it to Congress then MAYBE we can finally talk about amending the Constitution and abolishing the goddamn thing.
They have to vote for a candidate who won at least one state.
They would vote Trump.
EDIT: Sounds like they have to vote for the top 3 from the electoral college. So they could vote for a different Republican like Romney.
Wouldn't say that would happen but this is big that even Mitch McConnell is talking sense.
Earthstrike
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The CIA would destroy the evidence? I don't think so. US Intelligence agencies busted their ass for years for the geopolitical advantages they have. They would not let it be pissed away so easily.
Netherscourge
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If the ONLY choice we had was Trump or Romney, I'd take Romney.
I don't agree with him on many issues either, but I sure as fuck ain't worried about him selling the whole fucking country away like fucking stock shares.
If the EC can only elect a Republican, make it Romney.
I don't agree with him on many issues either, but I sure as fuck ain't worried about him selling the whole fucking country away like fucking stock shares.
If the EC can only elect a Republican, make it Romney.
Imperfected
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I guess it's nice that someone wants an intelligence briefing, at least.
Netherscourge
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Sore loser? She's got 2.6 million more votes than him nationwide.
I'll happily take the sore loser.
BTW - she only needs a swap of 75 electors to beat Trump, so it's certainly a possibility.
Lights and Waves
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poppabk
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Assuming the aim is to have the electoral college change their votes - if somewhat successful, but not successful enough to keep trump out - this validates circumventing the democratic process. Over 4 years, it would be easily possible for a president, especially one with control of the entire legislature, to stack the electoral colleges with his own cronies. Then it doesn't matter who the people vote for in the election, you have the presidency guaranteed, you just need to 'trump' up some conspiracy against the opposition.
HP_Wuvcraft
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It'll be hilarious if it is Mitt Romney. The comeback kid.
tearsintherain
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Romney's also one of the few Republicans to believe in climate change. He's sane.
It's not true, but even if it was who cares? Every possible option must be tried to prevent Trump from assuming power.
I wonder if it could result in the formation of an alt-right (read: Nazi) party?
HP_Wuvcraft
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100% no self-awareness.
Honestly I think it's a bit tongue-in-cheek
PadWarrior
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What crazy times we live in. This is an interesting time our kids will learn about in school.
Escape Goat
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Its amazing how much Palin is referenced considering shes a half term governor. Thanks a lot, McCain.
There would probably be violence, unless there is a giant upsurge of anti-Trump sentiment over the next 7 days. There would literally have to be a video of Trump talking to a Russian saying that he would be pro-Russian in exchange for help, and about 60% of Trump supporters would still deny it happened.
And 20%+ wouldn't care.
It boggles my mind that you can read that tweet and think it wasn't.
Omegasquash
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I meant between Trump and Moscow, not anything that the CIA has.
Demoskinos
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Give him time. He'll do it.
Skellig Gra
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You need to take off the tin foil hat.
serenewarfare
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Wouldn't it actually make sense for the GOP to campaign their electors like crazy to pull their votes from Trump? I mean they've said from the beginning they want to get rid of him and they finally have their chance. And they'd basically get to handpick his replacement.
Seems like a no-brainer.
Seems like a no-brainer.
They were only doing that because they thought they were going to lose. It's easier to sit back and accept a bad win than make a mess.
Skellig Gra
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No way. Their constituents voted him in. Number 1 concern is always getting reelected.
serenewarfare
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Yeah, but wouldn't they have a better chance of getting re-elected in the future if they put a non-insane candidate in office?
I don't even...actually Im...no..
Having a fight about which "side" has the sorest loser is not gonna help at all.
BoosterDuck
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Sorest loser of all time is actually Trump from getting blown out by the popular vote.
poppabk
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What is this thread about again? Changing the electoral college votes because a foreign power intervened in the election process, and the president elect may have conspired with that foreign power to subvert the election?
But the president elect trying to subvert the next election is tin foil hat time?
Holy Order Sol
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Definitely checking out Trump's Twitter account if this results in him being denied the presidency.
Cymbal Head
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The EC deliberately rebelling is a dangerous line to cross, no matter what the election. That's a genie you can't put back in the bottle.
The Technomancer
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Literally every other apocalyptic genie has been let out of its bottle by us reaching this point though, so I'm fine with us using our third wish to ram his ass back into itty bitty living space
gutter_trash
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If they remove him they lose the votes of those insane people. If they keep him they'll lose the moderates. I think they'll want to keep the one that's easily suggestible and has a rubber stamp to push whatever they can through and hope the crazies turn out in 2018 (they probably will).
Cymbal Head
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You say that now, but you'll regret it in 2036 when a wave of nationalistic sentiment causes the EC to reject the reanimated head of Teddy Kennedy and instead deliver the presidency to KFC Presents Double Trump.
Skellig Gra
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As far as we know all the Russians did was hack some email servers airing dirty laundry that already existed. That is equivalent to someone essentially breaking all the countries checks and balances within a short window to establish a dictatorship?
zorlaczerohero
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I feel if they do so, they lose the 27% of Americans that voted for him and risk widespread outrage. I think they'll let him get in and then provide the ammunition for the Democrats to push for impeachment. That way, in the eyes of Trump voters, the Dems take the fall for fucking him over and they get a right wing President who is a lot easier to influence than a deranged orange madman. We may even see a day where the Dems fight against Trumps impeachment, an organised hard right GOP will be a lot harder to deal with than the fractured fuckup of a Government that Trump will lead.
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