CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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there is Cena and someone else.

... There's Cena and whoever his current feud is.

Cena and R-Truth
Cena and Wade Barrett
Cena and Kane
Cena and Korporate Kane
Cena and That Idiotic Daughter And Doofus Son-In-Law CM Punk Mentioned Once in His Most Famous Promo.
Cena and That Yes-Man CM Punk Mentioned Once in His Most Famous Promo.
Cena and That Ex-Wrestler-Turned-MMA-Fighter CM Punk Mentioned Once in His Most Famous Promo.
Cena and That New Paul Heyman Guy Since CM Punk Mentioned Paul Heyman Guys in his Most Famous Promo,
Cena and That Ex-Wrestler-Turned-Hollywood-Superstar CM Punk Mentioned in His Most Famous Promo
 
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strobogo said:
For those that didn't watch the Austin/McMahon live podcast on the Network, some highlights about Punk:



  • Vince apologized for Punk's termination papers coming on his wedding day. Said it was a terrible mistake and basically blamed it on bureaucracy problems.
  • He would like to work with Punk again some day and believes they will eventually get back together.
  • Has not listened to the AOW podcast, but was told about it and believed that Punk will probably regret saying some of the things he did in retrospect, that there were communication issues, that Punk often had inadequate communication skills.
  • No mention of the medical issues Punk brought up.
  • Favorably compared him with Austin multiple times.



Other odds and ends:


  • Believes that no one since Cena has tried to grab the brass ring.
  • Said that the issues with the current roster stem from being Millennials, which Vince believes makes them afraid of failure and thus less likely to try as hard.
  • Specifically mentioned Cena, Wyatt, Rollins, Ambrose, and Reigns as young stars doing well who are going to be important to the future of the company.
  • Can't figure out what is missing from Cesaro. It might be because he's Swiss. They're still going to work on him, though.
  • Relayed how much he truly, truly loved pushing people into his pool during the 80s/90s
  • Truly believes he is not out of touch
  • Truly believes he listens to the fans and gives them what they want. Austin pressed him on that many times and the look on his face clearly showed he didn't believe Vince at all.
  • Seems proud that he works people to the bone, because he works himself to the bone.
  • Doesn't believe a lack of competition has hurt the company, because he views everything on TV as competition and they still do strong ratings every week.
  • Doesn't think Brock or Sting need to be on TV very much to be kept as special attractions. Said it is likely that Sting will be at Wrestlemania.
  • Austin pressed him hard on Randy Savage being inducted into the Hall of Fame. Vince gave a definitive yes, although could not say if it would be next year.
  • Completely believes that WCW's philosophy was to hurt everyone else, while Vince's philosophy was always to help himself.
  • If WWE is the only place in town and you're afraid of losing your job by pissing someone off, then you better not piss anyone off.
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I don't believe this. Triple H knew.
 
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Mr. Enigma

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Rapstah said:
If he hasn't listened to it, then he should probably be careful about commenting on specifics anyway.
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He may not have listened to it, but somebody definitely listened to it for him and gave him bulletpoints. He used to have Howard Finkel do this for him with the Observer.
 
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That thing at the end, that's the thing with Punk- I think he's got the mentality that once he had enough money, he didn't care who he pissed off. He may be an asshole, but I don't think he knows the point where how much is enough to live how he wants.

If he's like that AJ might be a very lucky lady.
 
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Kyoufu

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I just watched Sting's debut in WWE. Why is Triple H the one to be there?

Triple H sure does love hogging that spotlight.
 
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Paracelsus

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If people think HHH hasn't had booking and heavy backstage power since the dawn of time, they need to reconsider. He may have been not the best worker, but systematically every time someone calls him out for this crap, people pull the "bitter" card, "now with 150% more denial" out.

I just watched Sting's debut in WWE. Why is Triple H the one to be there?

Triple H sure does love hogging that spotlight.
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It's thread-related and pretty obvious, seeing as he literally came out of retirement just to bury CM Punk.
 
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Trojan X

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Rapstah said:
What is the brass ring, anyway? Being the top guy or being a top guy?
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He means putting yourself on the line beyond what management would request from you in order to grab the bull by the horn and steal the show. For example - Triple H tells you what you need to do tonight and they think it's a big deal. You throw it to his face by telling him no and offer something else. Situation escalate to the point where you, Vince and whoever talk about it in Vince's office about the situation and your idea. In the end, they go with your idea... if you screw up then you'll end up putting your career in trouble as the execs would lose faith in you. If you succeed then the company start pushing and listening to you more and more. This is what Austin, Rock, Cena, Hogan, Rick Flair, CM Punk and many other key people did. Others are afraid to do this because, as Vince said, if they fail then it doesn't end up being pretty for them in terms of great creatives and bookings in the company.

From the podcast, I think that Vince is suffering from "too many cooks in the kitchen" syndrome and not having more trust on your team in respect to creatives. That seriously need to be sorted out.
 
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strobogo

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Kyoufu said:
I just watched Sting's debut in WWE. Why is Triple H the one to be there?

Triple H sure does love hogging that spotlight.
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Because HHH is the most over heel, the most well known heel, and has had his best year in like 14 years this year. Sting vs HHH is the best possible match for Sting.
 
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squall23

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Is it just me, or does it seem like Punk doesn't make Vince sound as bad as I thought he is? It seems Vince has ruthless business practices but that he still kind of maybe cares a little about his employees?

Because that was the vibe I got from this whole thing.
 
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strobogo

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squall23 said:
Is it just me, or does it seem like Punk doesn't make Vince sound as bad as I thought he is? It seems Vince has ruthless business practices but that he still kind of maybe cares a little about his employees?

Because that was the vibe I got from this whole thing.
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Well, Vince wholly believes in the (wholly self created) narrative that what he did in the 80s to expand (by stealing everyone's talent and running in their areas) and what WCW did in the 90s to expand (taking old WWF talent) were completely different things. That WCW and Turner did it to hurt Vince, while Vince was just helping himself in the 80s.

He also giggled at saying he runs people to the bone, because he runs himself to the bone so it is okay. He also really, really, really loved shoving people into his pool in the 80s and 90s. Like it was the most enjoyable thing he's ever done in his life, being able to shove people in when they weren't expecting it, seeing them confused and shocked, seeing the water go over their heads, seeing them come up completely soaked and helpless. Vince is weird.
 
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strobogo said:
Because HHH is the most over heel, the most well known heel, and has had his best year in like 14 years this year. Sting vs HHH is the best possible match for Sting.
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False. Stephanie is the most over heel.

But yeah, with UT (hopefully) retired this is best.
 
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Aiii

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The whole Ted vs. Vince thing is something that's mostly in Vince's head anyways, Ted Turner ran a huge media empire, of which WCW was a fun little plaything. I think most of Vince's "Ted wanted to ruin me" narrative originated from Ted Turner treating WCW as a hobby project and that somehow undermining how Vince thought of WWF.
 
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Ithil

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Bojan11 said:
To be fair I don't see many good workers in WWE like in the 90s. A lot of them are poor on the mic like Bryan. Or just have boring matches like Wyatt.

People saying they buried Bryan? Didn't they have him beat Triple H and then beat Orton/Batista in one night?

Also Zach Ryder was awful. Why am I supposed to take him seriously? Because he had a hit youtube show. Can't cut a promo and certainly can't wrestler.
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The 90s? The quality of wrestling and wrestling talent in WWE right now, dwarfs WWF in the 90s. That was a shitty period for wrestling quality.
And Bryan is not poor on the mic, Jack Swagger is poor on the mic. Bryan is solid, given he has to work within the confines of some truly awful promos written by their awful writers.
 
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Hasney

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Manbig said:
Actually, Sting was recently quoted for saying that if he couldn't get the match that he wanted with Undertaker, then Triple H would be his second choice.
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Probably was a great second choice after being told what the plan for Wrestlemania was.
 
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Ithil said:
The 90s? The quality of wrestling and wrestling talent in WWE right now, dwarfs WWF in the 90s. That was a shitty period for wrestling quality.
And Bryan is not poor on the mic, Jack Swagger is poor on the mic. Bryan is solid, given he has to work within the confines of some truly awful promos written by their awful writers.
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Everyone is pretty horrible on the mic these days except for a few people. The problem is writers are scripting promos rather than just giving bullet points. Bray Wyatt I imagine used to write his own promos. I kind of wonder if he still does now since he says a whole lot of nothing in them nowadays.
 
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Toki767 said:
Everyone is pretty horrible on the mic these days except for a few people. The problem is writers are scripting promos rather than just giving bullet points. Bray Wyatt I imagine used to write his own promos. I kind of wonder if he still does now since he says a whole lot of nothing in them nowadays.
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Bray probably realized that writing his own promos just led to him getting buried by Cena and having his faction dismantled for no reason. So he said "fuck this shit" and decided to have one of Vince's 26 monkeys write his weekly RAW material instead and we're left with the "it didn't have to be this way" ad infinitum regurgitation we get now.
 
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Aiii said:
The whole Ted vs. Vince thing is something that's mostly in Vince's head anyways, Ted Turner ran a huge media empire, of which WCW was a fun little plaything. I think most of Vince's "Ted wanted to ruin me" narrative originated from Ted Turner treating WCW as a hobby project and that somehow undermining how Vince thought of WWF.
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In one book, when Ted formed WCW, he called Vince up & said "now I got a rasslin' company too" before hanging up.
This after Vince referred to him as a hick & he wouldn't know what do do with the business, in some interview
 
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I Wanna Be The Guy said:
So were the CM Punk chants extra loud on Raw this week, or was it same as usual? Also please tell me Ryback got a dumb as fuck chant?
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Aiii said:
The whole Ted vs. Vince thing is something that's mostly in Vince's head anyways, Ted Turner ran a huge media empire, of which WCW was a fun little plaything. I think most of Vince's "Ted wanted to ruin me" narrative originated from Ted Turner treating WCW as a hobby project and that somehow undermining how Vince thought of WWF.
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I call bullshit.

Ted Turner is a rich asshole because his daddy was a rich billboard owner asshole and he used TNT and TBS as his toy plaything once he inherited the billboard business. He has money from multiple sources. He can afford to be a prick.

At least with Vince, there's a family history of providing sports entertainment to people. His dad was born in Harlem and used to promote MSG boxing matches. The WWE is Vince's nestegg. He doesn't have anything else.
 
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Neither TNA nor NJPW have something called maineventofwressolmeniah. If he goes there, he'll be once again the big fish in the small pond.
 
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My opinions:

Vince is not as bad as everyone thinks he is. The company is so damn big that "ish" happens. Even Punk admitted that Vince had tears in his eyes during the break up.

I think Punk had a lot to do with how everything ended up. He was just not a lifer. Hes like John Morrison.

Cesaro must have felt hella uncomfortable during the first 10 min.
 
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