CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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People seem really disenchanted with how cooperate WWE really works when it's really no different than other cooperations. Lots of low down dirty shit happens to work the system to get what you want, or keep people in line. It's everywhere. And let's face it Punk did work the fucking system. He did.

The first time he threatened to quit WWE they got him everything he wanted. More money, a fucking bus, bigger cut of merchandise, copyrighted music. Etc. Granted they worked the shit out of him because Vince was gonna get his money's worth, but he gamed the system nevertheless . Most folks are not that ambitious. They make enough to live by and don't want to rattle the system. Yeah it's disappointing to hear some of the stuff but it's all been going on since day fucking 1.
 
Didn't know "epilogue" either. Poor guy.

jmdajr said:
People seem really disenchanted with how cooperate WWE really works when it's really no different than other cooperation. Lots of low down dirty shit happens to work the system to get what you want, or keep people in line. It's everywhere. And let's face it Punk did work the fucking system. He did.

The first time he threatened to quit WWE they got him everything he wanted. More money, a fucking bus, bigger cut of merchandise, copyrighted music. Etc. Granted they worked the shit out of him because Vince was gonna get his money's worth, but he gamed the system nevertheless . Most folks are not that ambitious. They make enough to live by and don't want to rattle the system. Yeah it's disappointing to hear some of the stuff but it's all been going on since day fucking 1.
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Don't piss people off.
 
Trojan X said:
Naw. He is a guy with common sense, a brain, and good creative vision. If he doesn't like something then he will tell you straight if it need to be said. He doesn't lick or kiss people's ass for he believe people are just that, people, and you give and receive respect where it's due. Many other people would cower away and talk behind your back. CM Punk would be a great person to hang with in my eyes. :)
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I don't agree. CM Punk reminds me of employees who must be let go because they're unable to be part of a team.

Personality-wise, to be friends with these people is a job in itself -- not fun.
 
Amory said:
"Like when the Doors played on the Ed Sullivan show..."
"Oh like doors, like doors you walk through?"
"What? No like the band, the Doors.
"OHH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT LIKE DOORS YOU KNOW LIKE DOORS?"

"Like when he called me when I had just gotten out of the hospital and was still anesthetized..."
"I have no idea what that means"

shit was kind of sad.
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I literally did the Picard forehead slap at Colt's immediate comment to Punk's Ed Sullivan show story? Like, what the hell? How could anyone think he was referring to actual doors in the theater? Some of the brain cells in that head of his don't rub together the right way. For his sake, I'm hoping he was half-baked on some kind of drug when recording this.
 
Was Austin ever considered a jerk in the locker room? If he was I never really heard it, and he didn't take shit from anyone either.
 
tycoonheart said:
Well, maybe thats the only part of what he said that stuck out to you. But he made it clear that Cesaro is missing charisma. And he's on point. Cesaro is missing a personality. Great wrestler, but he's just another guy. He's not that great on the mic either.
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Cesaro has excellent physical charisma and was getting over with the giant swing and the crowd was ready to embrace him after his WM moment.
 
jmdajr said:
Was Austin ever considered a jerk in the locker room? If he was I never really heard it, and he didn't take shit from anyone either.
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He was another "hard to work with" guy because he would stand up for his character when writers would give him bullshit.
 
Let's be real: Punk worked his ass off for that 1 1/2 years as champion and never really got much of the main event spotlight unless he was involved in a program with Cena. Add to that the merchandise sales and the guy definitely deserved to be in the top echelon in terms of salary. Sucks he's probably done with WWE but never say never (hell, people said Austin would never return).
 
Fatalah said:
I don't agree. CM Punk reminds me of employees who must be let go because they're unable to be part of a team.

Personality-wise, to be friends with these people is a job in itself -- not fun.
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Yeah. Hard to want to keep a dude who bitches and fights you on EVERYTHING, even if he's making you money. In any profession. You have the greatest shelf stocker in the world, but he/she complains about everything and always argues for more money or perks, doesn't get along with other workers, and always wants to do stuff HIS/HER way, eventually you're going to get rid of that person.
 
BkMogul said:
Let's be real: Punk worked his ass off for that 1 1/2 years as champion and never really got much of the main event spotlight unless he was involved in a program with Cena. Add to that the merchandise sales and the guy definitely deserved to be in the top echelon in terms of salary. Sucks he's probably done with WWE but never say never (hell, people said Austin would never return).
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Did he? He even admitted during that period he stopped watching his work, stopped trying to improve on what he did, didn't watch any wrestling.
 
Don't think for a fucking second that the WWE didn't see exactly how over Cesaro was and could have ridden that to bigger and better paydays had they just gone with the post-WrestleMania momentum. Dude was sabotaged. Plain and simple. Just like Bryan was sabotaged. Just like most of this shit happened to CM Punk precisely to piss him off and make him quit. This is all politics.

"Know your role and shut your mouth." Dwayne's catchphrase is literally the mantra of the WWE locker room.
This Monday's RAW is precisely what they want RAW to be every week of the year except during WrestleMania season when the part-timers return.
A meandering aimless snore of shilling and regurgitating.
 
Amory said:
"Like when the Doors played on the Ed Sullivan show..."
"Oh like doors, like doors you walk through?"
"What? No like the band, the Doors.
"OHH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT LIKE DOORS YOU KNOW LIKE DOORS?"

"Like when he called me when I had just gotten out of the hospital and was still anesthetized..."
"I have no idea what that means"

shit was kind of sad.
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Colt Cabana should interview dan rykiert
 
jmdajr said:
People seem really disenchanted with how cooperate WWE really works when it's really no different than other cooperations. Lots of low down dirty shit happens to work the system to get what you want, or keep people in line. It's everywhere. And let's face it Punk did work the fucking system. He did.

The first time he threatened to quit WWE they got him everything he wanted. More money, a fucking bus, bigger cut of merchandise, copyrighted music. Etc. Granted they worked the shit out of him because Vince was gonna get his money's worth, but he gamed the system nevertheless . Most folks are not that ambitious. They make enough to live by and don't want to rattle the system. Yeah it's disappointing to hear some of the stuff but it's all been going on since day fucking 1.
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Any corporation that slams down on the creativity of its personnel and takes little to no steps to keep their workforce happy and healthy is ultimately doomed. It will be a long time before WWE is there, but the way they operate on almost every level is not doing them any favors.

Their talent is being overworked and isn't allowed to have a lot if creative input on their work, which is pretty much telling them "you suck at your job, stop thinking and read these lines word for word", it would kill anyone's ambition, but especially of those that chose a profession based around creativity. Then there's the management, writers last an average of five weeks in WWE (as per Meltzer), upper management six to twelve months. That's not how corporations work, definitely not corporations that are supposed to thrive on generating buzz. When's the last time WWE generated positive interest? All that gets reported in mainstream media note is DUI's, racism on the work floor, bad working conditions and now, alleged assault. Punk's pipe bomb was the last thing that got real buzz, maybe Rock coming back too, but that's three years ago.

Seems to me a lot needs to change in this corporation if they're ever going to go in an upwards swing again, sure the decline is slow, but it's still a decline that's gonna keep going until there's nobody left to care enough about WWE to give them a new TV deal except Destination America.

Think what you will about Punk and what kind of person he is, fact of the matter is there is s lot of talent and other personnel that is walking on egg shells in that company and afraid to speak up or step up, because of the corporate environment that Vince and his people have created. If you don't trust Punk, at least we can trust Stond Cold on this, right?
 
Are you guys kidding me? Austin was way worse than Punk for management to get along with. Dude used to physically assault Vince McMahon all the time, even once at the hospital when Vince was being treated for an injury. How can you guys not remember that?
 
Aiii said:
Any corporation that slams down on the creativity of its personnel and takes little to no steps to keep their workforce happy and healthy is ultimately doomed. It will be a long time before WWE is there, but the way they operate on almost every level is not doing them any favors.

Their talent is being overworked and isn't allowed to have a lot if creative input on their work, which is pretty much telling them "you suck at your job, stop thinking and read these lines word for word", it would kill anyone's ambition, but especially of those that chose a profession based around creativity. Then there's the management, writers last an average of five weeks in WWE (as per Meltzer), upper management six to twelve months. That's not how corporations work, definitely not corporations that are supposed to thrive on generating buzz. When's the last time WWE generated positive interest? All that gets reported in mainstream media note is DUI's, racism on the work floor, bad working conditions and now, alleged assault. Punk's pipe bomb was the last thing that got real buzz, maybe Rock coming back too, but that's three years ago.

Seems to me a lot needs to change in this corporation if they're ever going to go in an upwards swing again, sure the decline is slow, but it's still a decline that's gonna keep going until there's nobody left to care enough about WWE to give them a new TV deal except Destination America.

Think what you will about Punk and what kind of person he is, fact of the matter is there is s lot of talent and other personnel that is walking on egg shells in that company and afraid to speak up or step up, because of the corporate environment that Vince and his people have created. If you don't trust Punk, at least we can trust Stond Cold on this, right?
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What really irks me is the damn doublespeak. "No one's aggressive, no one reaches for the brass ring!" yet if someone does, they're systematically torn down and belittled into submission.

Total BS.
 
SpideySenses said:
WWE knew exactly what to do with Cesaro, after his big win at Wrestlemania, his offence was over, they put him with the best mouthpiece in the business, he was set for big things, all they had to do is not beat him all the time, so of course they do exactly that.
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Not really. He should have stayed away from Heyman.

Heyman was getting heat due to mentioning the Undertaker every week.
 
Amory said:
"Like when the Doors played on the Ed Sullivan show..."
"Oh like doors, like doors you walk through?"
"What? No like the band, the Doors.
"OHH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT LIKE DOORS YOU KNOW LIKE DOORS?"

"Like when he called me when I had just gotten out of the hospital and was still anesthetized..."
"I have no idea what that means"

shit was kind of sad.
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"Evasive surgery." - CM Punk
 
It's pretty clear right now vince only cares about roman reigns as young talent. They might put rollins and ambrose out there, but they are just the new "punk levels". Im assuming I will hate reign's storylines as much as cena's in a few years, once Vince drops cena like a bad habbit.
 
Fintan said:
He had some matches I really enjoyed during that period at the very least, from what I can remember.
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I don't remember any really memorable matches during his year+ reign as champion. Maybe he had some with Daniel Bryan?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Are you guys kidding me? Austin was way worse than Punk for management to get along with. Dude used to physically assault Vince McMahon all the time, even once at the hospital when Vince was being treated for an injury. How can you guys not remember that?
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He also beat up Booker T at a grocery store while he was shopping for cereal :(
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Are you guys kidding me? Austin was way worse than Punk for management to get along with. Dude used to physically assault Vince McMahon all the time, even once at the hospital when Vince was being treated for an injury. How can you guys not remember that?
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Okay this got me.. always spat out my water
 
Vince McMahon said:
I don't remember any really memorable matches during his year+ reign as champion. Maybe he had some with Daniel Bryan?
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Yeah, the Bryan matches were really good. The Cena match at Raw 1000 was good, from what I can remember. The second Jericho one was alright.

How was the match with Rock?
 
Fintan said:
Yeah, the Bryan matches were really good. The Cena match at Raw 1000 was good, from what I can remember. The second Jericho one was alright.

How was the match with Rock?
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Better than Cena's, I remember that much.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Are you guys kidding me? Austin was way worse than Punk for management to get along with. Dude used to physically assault Vince McMahon all the time, even once at the hospital when Vince was being treated for an injury. How can you guys not remember that?
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"It's not about the money."


EVERYTHING he complains about comes down to money. More than anything else. More than injuries. More than bad booking. The root of all of his issues is money. All while saying it isn't about the money. All while schilling his new t-shirts. Schilling his comic stuff and appearances. He's carny as shit.
 
Ziltoidia 9 said:
It's pretty clear right now vince only cares about roman reigns as young talent. They might put rollins and ambrose out there, but they are just the new "punk levels". Im assuming I will hate reign's storylines as much as cena's in a few years, once Vince drops cena like a bad habbit.
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Yeah he loves Roman, who said during his interview with giant bomb that vince told him that he loves him because he is very old school.
 
Aiii said:
Any corporation that slams down on the creativity of its personnel and takes little to no steps to keep their workforce happy and healthy is ultimately doomed. It will be a long time before WWE is there, but the way they operate on almost every level is not doing them any favors.

Their talent is being overworked and isn't allowed to have a lot if creative input on their work, which is pretty much telling them "you suck at your job, stop thinking and read these lines word for word", it would kill anyone's ambition, but especially of those that chose a profession based around creativity. Then there's the management, writers last an average of five weeks in WWE (as per Meltzer), upper management six to twelve months. That's not how corporations work, definitely not corporations that are supposed to thrive on generating buzz. When's the last time WWE generated positive interest? All that gets reported in mainstream media note is DUI's, racism on the work floor, bad working conditions and now, alleged assault. Punk's pipe bomb was the last thing that got real buzz, maybe Rock coming back too, but that's three years ago.

Seems to me a lot needs to change in this corporation if they're ever going to go in an upwards swing again, sure the decline is slow, but it's still a decline that's gonna keep going until there's nobody left to care enough about WWE to give them a new TV deal except Destination America.

Think what you will about Punk and what kind of person he is, fact of the matter is there is s lot of talent and other personnel that is walking on egg shells in that company and afraid to speak up or step up, because of the corporate environment that Vince and his people have created. If you don't trust Punk, at least we can trust Stond Cold on this, right?
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No doubt there are major fucking problems. Politics will always be around but some shit could get better. I mean it's a better work environment now than the 80s....so maybe take the next step yet again. There will be cut backs though. But I guess give options.
 
strobogo said:
"It's not about the money."


EVERYTHING he complains about comes down to money. More than anything else. More than injuries. More than bad booking. The root of all of his issues is money. All while saying it isn't about the money. All while schilling his new t-shirts. Schilling his comic stuff and appearances. He's carny as shit.
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Seems about right since Vince only cares about money too. I'm pretty sure he gave it is all in the ring.
 
Bowser said:
What really irks me is the damn doublespeak. "No one's aggressive, no one reaches for the brass ring!" yet if someone does, they're systematically torn down and belittled into submission.

Total BS.
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"Why the fuck can't any of you get over?"
*gets over*
"Who THE FUCK do you think you are?"
 
Just look at Ziggler. Dude gets legit pops whenever he comes out and it seems like he's passed over time and time again. Not to mention he had one of the shittest title reigns this side of Jack Swagger.
 
strobogo said:
"It's not about the money."


EVERYTHING he complains about comes down to money. More than anything else. More than injuries. More than bad booking. The root of all of his issues is money. All while saying it isn't about the money. All while schilling his new t-shirts. Schilling his comic stuff and appearances. He's carny as shit.
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Actually while it may seem like the main issue is down to money, it is actually about respect.

Punks problem was that he worked as hard as anyone else, was one of/the most successful star at the time he voiced his opinions to Vince, was forced* to work injured and all he wanted was to be treated as well as the people who come in for a month, have a couple of matches and get a truck load of money.

Of course, how do you value your worth in comparison to others as a wrester? Your storylines, your match listings, your pay, your ability to take time off to heal which coincidently the majority of the people he complains about get exactly that while he is left being lied to by the companies doctors about a life threatening infection just so he can be used as a (injured) workhorse.

He tried to have his matches moved up the card, he tried to push better storylines, he tried to secure future stoylines for after current feuds, he tried to take time off work to heal and every time he was fobbed off. The only thing left to ask for is money so asking to be paid the same as others who do less work, are less of a draw and get more creative imput is totally fair.

I think too many people are concerned with people being 'professional' that when someone is forced to come out and complain in an 'unprofessional' way, people are trained to think 'how unprofessional, he is just whining and doesnt deserve to be heard'. Sometimes the best thing to do is be is honest as possible at work, regardless of how it might make you look.

And lets be honest, who looks worse: Punk for complaining about unfair and possible illegal treatment from his employer, or the WWE for treating its staff this way?

* i mean forced in the sense of the WWE being pretty much the only place someone at Punks level could work at for the pay/benefits he is used to so what choice does he have (Other than quit which he did later).
 
BkMogul said:
Just look at Ziggler. Dude gets legit pops whenever he comes out and it seems like he's passed over time and time again. Not to mention he had one of the shittest title reigns this side of Jack Swagger.
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That's because they don't think Ziggler has "it" just as with Cesaro. The best thing Cesaro can do is when his contract is up to see if NJPW are interested because it sounds like he will never get any higher than upper mid card in WWE. They will just use him to make other people look good.
 
BkMogul said:
Just look at Ziggler. Dude gets legit pops whenever he comes out and it seems like he's passed over time and time again. Not to mention he had one of the shittest title reigns this side of Jack Swagger.
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Post WM29 RAW was probably the biggest pop he'll ever get at this rate.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Are you guys kidding me? Austin was way worse than Punk for management to get along with. Dude used to physically assault Vince McMahon all the time, even once at the hospital when Vince was being treated for an injury. How can you guys not remember that?
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I laughed so hard at this.

Great work.
 
Ziggler isn't pushed because he can't be a walking merchandise stand like Cena.

They wanted Ryback to be that guy, and it's pretty apparent if you compare some of the biggest powerhouses (he isn't but he looks like one) of the last 15 years like Batista and Goldberg. Both had clean wrestling gear and ordinary outfits for random segments, they were sold on strength and hype, shirts didn't need to be marketed on them save few exceptions.

Look at Ryback


 
DMczaf said:
Yeah.

We can't have the title on someone who can't show up for Raws and PPVs.
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Dirtyshubb said:
Actually while it may seem like the main issue is down to money, it is actually about respect.

Punks problem was that he worked as hard as anyone else, was one of/the most successful star at the time he voiced his opinions to Vince, was forced* to work injured and all he wanted was to be treated as well as the people who come in for a month, have a couple of matches and get a truck load of money.

Of course, how do you value your worth in comparison to others as a wrester? Your storylines, your match listings, your pay, your ability to take time off to heal which coincidently the majority of the people he complains about get exactly that while he is left being lied to by the companies doctors about a life threatening infection just so he can be used as a (injured) workhorse.

He tried to have his matches moved up the card, he tried to push better storylines, he tried to secure future stoylines for after current feuds, he tried to take time off work to heal and every time he was fobbed off. The only thing left to ask for is money so asking to be paid the same as others who do less work, are less of a draw and get more creative imput is totally fair.

I think too many people are concerned with people being 'professional' that when someone is forced to come out and complain in an 'unprofessional' way, people are trained to think 'how unprofessional, he is just whining and doesnt deserve to be heard'. Sometimes the best thing to do is be is honest as possible at work, regardless of how it might make you look.

And lets be honest, who looks worse: Punk for complaining about unfair and possible illegal treatment from his employer, or the WWE for treating its staff this way?

* i mean forced in the sense of the WWE being pretty much the only place someone at Punks level could work at for the pay/benefits he is used to so what choice does he have (Other than quit which he did later).
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No. He says it isn't about the money, but all of his complaints outside of the medical stuff are 100% about money. He would have been fine without the WM main event if they paid him like he was in it. When his contract was up, he wouldn't resign unless he got paid more. He's mad they fucked him out of movie money. Fucked him out of convention money. Fucked him out of sponsorship money. But it's not about the money. Mother fucker, EVERYTHING is about the money. And it should be. Trying to pretend like it isn't about money while bitching about all the money you didn't get and shilling t-shirts is horse shit. He's a dude who prides himself on "telling it like it is", yet is trying to bullshit his fans into thinking he wasn't just trying to get a buck like everyone else.

"It's not about the money." "Fuck you, pay me." You can't have it both ways, PAL.
 
strobogo said:
"It's not about the money."


EVERYTHING he complains about comes down to money. More than anything else. More than injuries. More than bad booking. The root of all of his issues is money. All while saying it isn't about the money. All while schilling his new t-shirts. Schilling his comic stuff and appearances. He's carny as shit.
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Maybe a little bit, but it's also about respect.

Working Mexico for $5K shows how little WWE respects you. It's degrading and disrespectful to put so much in and get very little out, and I think that was Punk's problem. He was never treated like he thought he deserved to be, and I think that others are treated the same way but shut their mouth because they have no other choice, other than to walk like Punk.
 
TimeEffect said:
Maybe a little bit, but it's also about respect.

Working Mexico for $5K shows how little WWE respects you. It's degrading and disrespectful to put so much in and get very little out, and I think that was Punk's problem. He was never treated like he thought he deserved to be, and I think that others are treated the same way but shut their mouth because they have no other choice, other than to walk like Punk.
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Punk put up with bullshit until he could afford to leave.
 
strobogo said:
No. He says it isn't about the money, but all of his complaints outside of the medical stuff are 100% about money. He would have been fine without the WM main event if they paid him like he was in it. When his contract was up, he wouldn't resign unless he got paid more. He's mad they fucked him out of movie money. Fucked him out of convention money. Fucked him out of sponsorship money. But it's not about the money. Mother fucker, EVERYTHING is about the money. And it should be. Trying to pretend like it isn't about money while bitching about all the money you didn't get and shilling t-shirts is horse shit. He's a dude who prides himself on "telling it like it is", yet is trying to bullshit his fans into thinking he wasn't just trying to get a buck like everyone else.

"It's not about the money." "Fuck you, pay me." You can't have it both ways, PAL.
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It works back here to Punk is selling an image of himself. It's not his real image. It's tweaked for marketing. He's selling his merch, he's selling his image. "You can be just like me too! Are you frustrated? SO AM I!" and that's what people are buying.

You couldn't script Austin vs McMahon Redux better if you tried. WWE is doing a bang-up job with building this as a Mania 32 co-main event.
 
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