CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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Ryback's kitchen counter has not been wiped between those pictures.

Also, it's not mouthwash, it's acidic water. Maybe he's trying to pass a drug test.
 
EricTheRed said:
You guys really are overstating the importance of CM Punk to the WWE, he wasn't exactly a massive draw and for him to compare himself to The Rock, Undertaker and John Cena is a joke if you ask me.
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Considering that he's one of two people that can say that they outsold Cena in merch in the past several years despite the WWE botching the holy fuck out of his booking when he was white hot, I'd say I disagree.

He was well on his way to being on that level, but they kneecapped him. Plain and simple.
 
flux1 said:
I doubt Cesaro really gives a damn that much anymore.
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Why wouldn't he? He's a part of the biggest company in the world, earning the most money he's ever made without having to destroy his body like he would have to in ROH. It really blows my mind how some people think that professionals like Cesaro give a shit about losing a few matches on TV.
 
I think the straw that broke the camels back was punk/bryan playing second fiddle to cena/big johnny at No Way Out. I would have been throwing up the peace sign after that fuckery.
 
EricTheRed said:
Why wouldn't he? He's a part of the biggest company in the world, earning the most money he's ever made without having to destroy his body like he would have to in ROH. It really blows my mind how some people think that professionals like Cesaro give a shit about losing a few matches on TV.
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You really think people destroy their bodies more working ROH's schedule versus WWE's schedule?

W-W-fucking-E's schedule?

Did you even listen to this podcast?
 
EricTheRed said:
Because it justifies all the marks saying that CM Punk was the best thing since sliced bread, when he was a million miles away from that.
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That's why he still gets his name chanted at EVERY show almost a year after he quit, because nobody cared about him.

Fact is he was and remains the only guy that could rival Cena. Another fact is that WWE very clearly never got behind him, booking his title run as a midcard thing, jobbing him to HHH in one of the stupidest moves ever and putting part timers ahead of him. Sure, you can blame Punk for not getting over through stellar programs with the likes of Ryback, Miz and Truth, Kevin Nash with no blow off, Rock as he moved on to Cena. But that's not the truth, now is it? Punk was and remains over in a time where most crowds give no fucks about anything (because they've been conditioned to knowing nothing matters), I would say he has enough credit from that alone.

He should have main evented Mania 28 against Cena, after leaving in 2011 and not coming back for the title vs. title match around the 2012 Rumble, that would have been a major draw, there's no doubt in my mind.
 
EricTheRed said:
And my point is that the reason why he wasn't on that level is because he just wasn't as good as the guys I mentioned. His promo work was great (when he didn't spill over into the worked-shoot bollocks) but he looked like shite and I really found it hard to take him seriously against bigger guys. I'm not a steroid lover btw, hell even Daniel Bryan looks athletic. To me, Punk just looked like a kid pretending to be a wrestler.
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He is a better promo and a better wrestler than Cena, and he had a strong connection to the adult demographic. Making this all about "the look" is bullshit. That is only one aspect of a guy getting over. When he is over, it doesn't matter.
Once again, you have no way of knowing how he would have done at that level, because he never got that chance. Saying "oh he never got the chance because he wasn't as amazing as John Cena" is just WWE bullshit rhetoric. He didn't get the chance because WWE didn't pick him, he wasn't "their guy", and when it isn't their guy they bend and twist the narrative to look however they want to justify not pushing a guy they didn't pick.

They've done it with many others. They specialize in self fulfilling prophecies.
 
Manbig said:
Considering that he's one of two people that can say that they outsold Cena in merch in the past several years despite the WWE botching the holy fuck out of his booking when he was white hot, I'd say I disagree.

He was well on his way to being on that level, but they kneecapped him. Plain and simple.
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As far as I'm aware, one of his t-shirts outsold Cena's for a short while. People talk about him like he was the next Hogan or Austin or Rock. He just appealed to the internet fan because for some bizarre reason the WWE let him "shoot" every now and again. If I was WWE I'd be a bit embarrassed that I gave him that freedom tbh.
 
EricTheRed said:
As far as I'm aware, one of his t-shirts outsold Cena's for a short while. People talk about him like he was the next Hogan or Austin or Rock. He just appealed to the internet fan because for some bizarre reason the WWE let him "shoot" every now and again. If I was WWE I'd be a bit embarrassed that I gave him that freedom tbh.
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Don't know how you can say this..

Name a bad match he had, I bet you struggle.
 
Ithil said:
He is a better promo and a better wrestler than Cena, and he had a strong connection to the adult demographic. Making this all about "the look" is bullshit. That is only one aspect of a guy getting over. When he is over, it doesn't matter.
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A better heel promo maybe, but Cena is perfect in his role and can put on equally as good, if not better WWE style main events without looking like a child.
 
EricTheRed said:
As far as I'm aware, one of his t-shirts outsold Cena's for a short while. People talk about him like he was the next Hogan or Austin or Rock. He just appealed to the internet fan because for some bizarre reason the WWE let him "shoot" every now and again. If I was WWE I'd be a bit embarrassed that I gave him that freedom tbh.
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embarrassed of what? that they allowed him to cut a promo that got him super over and was the first storyline related thing to hit the mainstream in years?
 
Aiii said:
That's why he still gets his name chanted at EVERY show almost a year after he quit, because nobody cared about him.

Fact is he was and remains the only guy that could rival Cena. Another fact is that WWE very clearly never got behind him, booking his title run as a midcard thing, jobbing him to HHH in one of the stupidest moves ever and putting part timers ahead of him. Sure, you can blame Punk for not getting over through stellar programs with the likes of Ryback, Miz and Truth, Kevin Nash with no blow off, Rock as he moved on to Cena. But that's not the truth, now is it? Punk was and remains over in a time where most crowds give no fucks about anything (because they've been conditioned to knowing nothing matters), I would say he has enough credit from that alone.

He should have main evented Mania 28 against Cena, after leaving in 2011 and not coming back for the title vs. title match around the 2012 Rumble, that would have been a major draw, there's no doubt in my mind.
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I agree that they could of handled his long title run better, but at the end of the day the WWE is about making money and Cena vs Rock is a much bigger money-maker than Cena vs Punk
 
Sibersk Esto said:
embarrassed of what? that they allowed him to cut a promo that got him super over and was the first storyline related thing to hit the mainstream in years?
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You can appeal to the mainstream without having to expose the business. That's the problem these days, there's no secrecy in wrestling any more. I'm not saying you should insult the punters intelligence, but if a magician comes out after his act and explains all his tricks move by move then what's the point in watching in the first place?
 
EricTheRed said:
I agree that they could of handled his long title run better, but at the end of the day the WWE is about making money and Cena vs Rock is a much bigger money-maker than Cena vs Punk
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Cena vs a star of yesterday is bigger than Cena vs a star of today.
You don't see anything wrong there?

WWE have consistently failed to make any new stars, even when handed to them on silver platters like Punk or Bryan (especially Bryan who they've never properly understood), so they resort to the one night only bandaids of yesteryear stars. What about the next night? Who cares, we got one big payday!

EricTheRed said:
A better heel promo maybe, but Cena is perfect in his role and can put on equally as good, if not better WWE style main events without looking like a child.
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That's funny, because Cena usually acts like a child in his promos.
 
EricTheRed said:
A better heel promo maybe, but Cena is perfect in his role and can put on equally as good, if not better WWE style main events without looking like a child.
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Nope. Punk is a better face promo then cena and puts on better matches then Cena.

Don't know what the hell that last bit is supposed to mean
 
lol at one dude in here trying to act like Punk wasn't big.

When's the last time John Cena got asked to do Bill Simmons' podcast?

No one gives a shit about Cena except for 5 year olds.
 
EricTheRed said:
You can appeal to the mainstream without having to expose the business. That's the problem these days, there's no secrecy in wrestling any more. I'm not saying you should insult the punters intelligence, but if a magician comes out after his act and explains all his tricks move by move then what's the point in watching in the first place?
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Question. What part of this actually breaks kayfabe?

John Cena, while you lay there, hopefully as uncomfortable as you possibly can be, I want you to listen to me.
I want you to digest this because before I leave in 3 weeks with your WWE Championship, I have a lot of things I want to get off my chest.
I don’t hate you, John. I don’t even dislike you. I do like you. I like you a hell of a lot more than I like most people in the back.
I hate this idea that you’re the best. Because you’re not. I’m the best. I’m the best in the world. There’s one thing you’re better at than I am and that’s kissing Vince McMahon’s ass.
You’re as good as kissing Vince McMahon’s ass as Hulk Hogan was. I don’t know if you’re as good as Dwayne though. He’s a pretty good ass kisser. Always was and still is.
Whoops! I’m breaking the fourth wall! (Punk waves to the camera)

I am the best wrestler in the world.

I’ve been the best since day one when I walked into this company. And I’ve been vilified and hated since that day because Paul Heyman saw something in me that nobody else wanted to admit. That’s right, I’m a Paul Heyman guy. You know who else was a Paul Heyman guy? Brock Lesnar. And he split just like I’m splitting. But the biggest difference between me and Brock is I’m going to leave with the WWE Championship.
I’ve grabbed so many of Vincent K. McMahon’s brass rings that it’s finally dawned on me that there just that, they’re completely imaginary. The only thing that’s real is me and the fact that day in and day out, for almost six years, I have proved to everybody in the world that I am the best on this microphone, in that ring, even in commentary! Nobody can touch me!
And yet no matter how many times I prove it, I’m not on your lovely little collector cups. I’m not on the cover of the program. I’m barely promoted. I don't get to be in movies. I’m certainly not on any crappy show on the USA Network. I’m not on the poster of WrestleMania. I’m not on the signature that’s produced at the start of the show. I’m not on Conan O’Brian. I’m not on Jimmy Fallon. But the fact of the matter is, I should be.
This isn’t sour grapes. But the fact that Dwayne is in the main event at WrestleMania next year and I’m not makes me sick!

Oh hey, let me get something straight. Those of you who are cheering me right now, you are just as big a part of me leaving as anything else. Because you’re the ones who are sipping on those collector cups right now. You’re the ones that buy those programs that my face isn’t on the cover of. And then at five in the morning at the airport, you try to shove it in my face and get an autograph and try to sell it on Ebay because you’re too lazy to go get a real job.
I’m leaving with the WWE Championship on July 17th. And hell, who knows, maybe I’ll go defend it in New Japan Pro Wrestling. Maybe…I’ll go back to Ring of Honor.

(Punk looks at the camera and waves)

Hey, Colt Cabana, how you doing?

The reason I’m leaving is you people. Because after I’m gone, you’re still going to pour money into this company. I’m just a spoke on the wheel. The wheel is going to keep turning and I understand that. Vince McMahon is going to make money despite himself. He’s a millionaire who should be a billionaire. You know why he’s not a billionaire? Because he surrounds himself with glad-handed, non-sensical, douchebag (censored) yes men, like John Laurinaitis, who’s going to tell him everything he wants to hear, and I’d like to think that maybe this company will better after Vince McMahon is dead. But the fact is, it’s going to be taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family.

Let me tell you a personal story about Vince McMahon alright. We do this whole (anti) bully campaign

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What part of that says "wrestling is fake"? Meanwhile John Cena is the guy who will bring up Dolph Ziggler's old gimmicks even though those are different people in kayfabe.
 
EricTheRed said:
A better heel promo maybe, but Cena is perfect in his role and can put on equally as good, if not better WWE style main events without looking like a child.
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Cena's awful

His role is awful

You complain about Punk exposing the business, but I'm pretty sure Cena coming out of every match looking like he just went for a quick run in the park exposes it way more

Also he's oddly puffy. He doesn't look like a real human being
 
EricTheRed said:
A better heel promo maybe, but Cena is perfect in his role and can put on equally as good, if not better WWE style main events without looking like a child.
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Stop, just, stop.

Punk as a Face was a better face than 2012-2013 Rock, better than Cena, better than a lot of faces, and he was avg as a face and he still beat the entire locker room with his mic skills.

Yes, Punk as a Heel is big, he destroyed everyone and anyone on the mic, he used his backgrounds to his character and you could just love him as a heel or hate him to hell.

Punk as a wrestler was top 5 of best wrestlers during 2009 to 2013 even injured he put good bouts on PPV or big shows, he got the best Lesnar fight, he got the best Cena fights and one of them was certified MOTY by WON awards and PWI, he was the only one with Daniel Bryan and Umaga to bring the best of the best of Cena.
 
EricTheRed said:
I agree that they could of handled his long title run better, but at the end of the day the WWE is about making money and Cena vs Rock is a much bigger money-maker than Cena vs Punk
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Only because that is what WWE tells you. Fact of the matter is that Cena's demographic is mostly good for merchandizing sales, not for buy rates. One of the major problems WWE has right now is that they focus all their programming on a <12 demographic that does great Cena merc sales and toy deals in the short term, but alienates their actual demographic, which is well over 25-year olds. Which is dumb as fuck. Its fine that Cena speaks to that part of their audience, but instead of making Cena try to work with the older crowd, they should build a star that speaks to another audience, like they could have had with Punk, Bryan, or any other guy that could be a bad-ass ass kicker. Look at the guys that get over in UFC, you need one of those guys for your older demographic, not a goody goody babyface like Cena.
 
Ithil said:
Cena vs a star of yesterday is bigger than Cena vs a star of today.
You don't see anything wrong there?

WWE have consistently failed to make any new stars, even when handed to them on silver platters like Punk or Bryan (especially Bryan who they've never properly understood), so they resort to the one night only bandaids of yesteryear stars. What about the next night? Who cares, we got one big payday!



That's funny, because Cena usually acts like a child in his promos.
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I would normally agree but The Rock is currently one of the biggest movie stars in the world and they would of been mad to pass up Cena vs Rock.

My looking like a child comment was purely related to Punk's look and that I found it impossible to take him seriously.
 
EricTheRed said:
Cena has put on countless quality main events with a variety of different opponents.
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C'mon guys stop feeding the troll.

He just wants to hate on Cm Punk no matter what you guys will say to him.

The fact that he is saying he looks like a child is proof enough.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I feel like the actual wrestling has always taken a back seat though. That's not why the masses tuned in. They tuned in for the personalities and the storylines. The matches were mostly secondary to this crowd. I mean, the reason wrestling became huge to begin with was because of Hogan and he could barely wrestle his way out of a paper bag.
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Russo was right is what you're saying. Arquette as champion FOREVERRRR. Also, the cruisers couldn't put butts in the seats.
 
Ithil said:
Question. What part of this actually breaks kayfabe?



What part of that says "wrestling is fake"? Meanwhile John Cena is the guy who will bring up Dolph Ziggler's old gimmicks even though those are different people in kayfabe.
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I have no words if you can't see which parts of that expose the business and what goes on behind the curtain.
 
EricTheRed said:
I would normally agree but The Rock is currently one of the biggest movie stars in the world and they would of been mad to pass up Cena vs Rock.

My looking like a child comment was purely related to Punk's look and that I found it impossible to take him seriously.
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That's your problem, and it stems from WWE's promotion of "bigger guys equals better guys". Yes, the Rock is a star, and Cena/Rock 1 was a good idea. Cena/Rock 2 was not, and it showed when it dropped greatly in buyrates from the first one.

EricTheRed said:
I have no words if you can't see which parts of that expose the business and what goes on behind the curtain.
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So absolutely no answer? Great.
 
I'm 99.9% positive H sabotaged Punks career post pipebomb.

- Punk buried at SS. no pay off with Nash (i know nash failed a supposed drug test even though he feuds with H a month later)
- H doesn't put Punk over at NOC.
- Year+ title reign playing 2nd fiddle to Cena including Wrestlemaia (twice)
- back to back to back jobs to part timers
- fucked over on money and movie deals
- dr, hayes, and vince acting VERY shady about his health. (isnt the first time we heard this about vince though)
- shady questionable ryback feuds.

They don't give a fuck about punk. They wanted to milk his name while torturing him the whole time. I love H, but the massive amount insecurity he has with talent fucking sucks. Termination papers on his wedding day? Withholding earned money? The fuck? Punk destoryed him on the mic 3 years ago and he's still butt hurt it seems. The staph infection/concussion story is scary as fuck. They literally learned nothing from Benoit. Damn shame.


oh, the "I'm dumb as fuck" quote is amazing. I don't get how he held back punching him in the face.
 
EricTheRed said:
I would normally agree but The Rock is currently one of the biggest movie stars in the world and they would of been mad to pass up Cena vs Rock.

My looking like a child comment was purely related to Punk's look and that I found it impossible to take him seriously.
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Rock v Hogan was a bigger draw than Jericho v HHH at WM 18, doesn't mean it came on last.

You book your world champ as the be all end all, because like Punk said in the podcast, the old guys don't show up the next day.
 
Killing_Joke said:
I'm 99.9% positive H sabotaged Punks career post pipebomb.

- Punk buried at SS. no pay off with Nash (i know nash failed a supposed drug test even though he feuds with H a month later)
- H doesn't put Punk over at NOC.
- Year+ title reign playing 2nd fiddle to Cena including Wrestlemaia (twice)
- back to back to back jobs to part timers
- fucked over on money and movie deals
- dr, hayes, and vince acting VERY shady about his health. (isnt the first time we heard this about vince though)
- shady questionable ryback feuds.

They don't give a fuck about punk. They wanted to milk his name while torturing him the whole time. I love H, but the massive amount insecurity he has with talent fucking sucks. Termination papers on his wedding day? Withholding earned money? The fuck? Punk destoryed him on the mic 3 years ago and he's still butt hurt it seems. The staph infection/concussion story is scary as fuck. They literally learned nothing from Benoit. Damn shame.


oh, the "I'm dumb as fuck" quote is amazing. I don't get how he held back punching him in the face.
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I honestly think HHH told Ryback to hurt Punk.
 
Killing_Joke said:
I'm 99.9% positive H sabotaged Punks career post pipebomb.

- Punk buried at SS. no pay off with Nash (i know nash failed a supposed drug test even though he feuds with H a month later)
- H doesn't put Punk over at NOC.
- Year+ title reign playing 2nd fiddle to Cena including Wrestlemaia (twice)
- back to back to back jobs to part timers
- fucked over on money and movie deals
- dr, hayes, and vince acting VERY shady about his health. (isnt the first time we heard this about vince though)
- shady questionable ryback feuds.

They don't give a fuck about punk. They wanted to milk his name while torturing him the whole time. I love H, but the massive amount insecurity he has with talent fucking sucks. Termination papers on his wedding day? Withholding earned money? The fuck? Punk destoryed him on the mic 3 years ago and he's still butt hurt it seems. The staph infection/concussion story is scary as fuck. They literally learned nothing from Benoit. Damn shame.


oh, the "I'm dumb as fuck" quote is amazing. I don't get how he held back punching him in the face.
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the big guy would have eaten him that's why
 
Listened to this a couple of times now. This is essentially the continuation to his documentary. So many great stories and pretty much all the events line up with what dirt sheets back up and other wrestlers as well. The best is that Vince crying bit on the day he left.

Im glad Punk called HHH out for burrying him on that PPV after coming back
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This gif is now better. Dying Punk and concussed Del Rio
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more of Ryback being dumb as fuck
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Ninja Scooter said:
Same thing with wwe or pro wrestling in general though. Except Vince can't make as much money off the smarks so he's gonna target the five year olds.
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Is the truest thing anybody has ever said on this thread.

And wow, people are resorting to calling me a troll when all I'm trying to do is debate my points?

I'm not saying that CM Punk wasn't big. I'm just saying that to put him on Taker's, Rock's and Cena's level is a joke.

Sure you may think that things may have turned out differently if his 2012 title run was handled better, but I'm sorry I don't agree.

I have always held the opinion that CM Punk doesn't look like he could hurt a fly, yes he can put on 'good' matches but I find it difficult to suspend my disbelief when watching him.

As for Cena, I don't share the opinion that all the internet smarks do. I enjoy watching him (most of the time) and think he's one of the few guys you can rely on atm to have enjoyable ppv main events with a variety of opponents.
 
EricTheRed said:
You can appeal to the mainstream without having to expose the business. That's the problem these days, there's no secrecy in wrestling any more. I'm not saying you should insult the punters intelligence, but if a magician comes out after his act and explains all his tricks move by move then what's the point in watching in the first place?
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You should go back in time and tell Vince McMahon that.
 
Vince probably thinks Rybacks tweets are funny as hell. I bet one of the matches at Wrestlemania will now be a CM Punk action figure vs a lawnmower.
 
EricTheRed said:
I'm not saying that CM Punk wasn't big. I'm just saying that to put him on Taker's, Rock's and Cena's level is a joke.
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Again, you're missing the point. The reason he isn't on those guys levels, especially Cena's (as Rock and Taker benefited from a boom period), is precisely because there is a glass ceiling in WWE they don't let anyone break.
If you're not willing to promote someone as being on those guys' levels, then no one ever will be. And Punk with the MITB 2011 storyline was as good a candidate as anyone to try.
 
Ithil said:
Again, you're missing the point. The reason he isn't on those guys levels, especially Cena's (as Rock and Taker benefited from a boom period), is precisely because there is a glass ceiling in WWE they don't let anyone break.
If you're not willing to promote someone as being on those guys' levels, then no one ever will be. And Punk with the MITB 2011 storyline was as good a candidate as anyone to try.
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And my point is he was never good enough to be on those guy's levels and that's why he was never promoted as such.
 
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