What was messed up. As he tries to wipe the blood away but his hands are covered in it so he didnt really know what to do. Just sitting there in shock. Its heartbreaking.
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CNN anchor tears up talking about shellshocked Syrian boy pulled out of rubble
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What was messed up. As he tries to wipe the blood away but his hands are covered in it so he didnt really know what to do. Just sitting there in shock. Its heartbreaking.
You're 100% right, but I'd like to add that in this war I've seen pictures, videos, and stories of civilians getting killed by multiple factions in this terrible conflict. Discriminate and indiscriminate shelling by rebel groups into regime-held areas that have killed and injured dozens, as well.
FonkyByNature
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As a father of a little baby girl, i was watching this video this morning while drinking my daily morning coffee and man, i just cried... it's hard to watch a cute little boy like this, i just want to hug him and tell him that everything's gonna be fine... i just want peace in the world. Can we have that please ? war is good for nothing.
I know it's easier said than done but fuck...
I know it's easier said than done but fuck...
I don't actually mean it.
that being said...
I don't think we have ever reached a minimum level of decency for our kind in our history and these pics and video and the whole situation is just another remainder of that.
one things that pisses me off to no end is that we can do nothing about it because all of us in this forum and reading this thread, we would need money AND power to (maybe) make a change and we don't have it, so it stays that way. so much impotence
Duane Cunningham
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Good god. Sometimes you get a reminder of how lucky you are. My son is also 5, and he's exactly that size. I tuck him in to bed every night and read him books. He watches cartoons. A couple days ago we were walking down the sidewalk and he tripped and skinned his knee. He cried and I carried him back to the house where I put some neosporin and a band aid on it. His world is safe.
Meanwhile this kid, who was born at about the same time, has this life. He didn't ask for it, or understand it or anything. He didn't do anything wrong. I'm sure his parents love him just as much as we do our son. But he didn't even have a chance to get started before the world delivered this to him.
The things we take for granted.
Meanwhile this kid, who was born at about the same time, has this life. He didn't ask for it, or understand it or anything. He didn't do anything wrong. I'm sure his parents love him just as much as we do our son. But he didn't even have a chance to get started before the world delivered this to him.
The things we take for granted.
Assad certainly deserves to be taken out and we should've a while ago. We are already in the process of taking out ISIS.
RustyNails, here's one huge problem you omitted: Al-Nusra (formerly known as). They want their own caliphate and unlike ISIS, they're playing it smart and doing a decent job of not antagonizing the populace.
They are a prominent force in Syria and will benefit from Assad and his forces being taken out, so it's vital for the world to be prepared for that. You need a strong and moderate alliance of rebel factions to counteract this, which may be difficult, due to Nusra being so effective against Assad, a lot of other Rebel groups have allied with them for now.
You also have to be ready to negotiate with Nusra or be willing to go through even more war to deal with them. They want their caliphate.
Pamplemousse
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Who would enforce it, though? Putin wouldn't agree to it. What would we do when he ignores it? There's nothing we can really do.
Dubbedinenglish
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Not saying one side is without sin. Though one is an actual government with aid from a world power who chooses to barrel bomb and target civilians. There is a level of expectation from Russia at least to behave morally.
Russia could not challenge a US/NATO no fly zone, they do not have the means. It was earlier pre-Russian involvement they had no warplanes in the area.
Mixolydian
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Oh god, that picture.
Fuck me:'(
Fuck me:'(
AstroNut325
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What can be done to help? The situation appears to be being worse.
Why is Russia and Iran involved?
Why is Russia and Iran involved?
True, it's horrible to see, especially the example in this thread.
I strongly disagree with this. They could and would challenge it. It would be nearly impossible for that not to be challenged due to how their assets are positioned in the region, not to mention the stakes for Russia, Iran, and Syria.
You would have incidents and it would potentially start a larger conflict. Would they be able to defend against it? Of course not, not even close, but it would be challenged, at least initially.
AcademicSaucer
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If there are moderate rebels in Syria, their numbers are so small that they couldnt possibly hold off Al Nusra, ISIS, jaish al islam , etc
Clay Davis
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I had to block someone on facebook because he thought it was better to for them die in their home country than come here and grow up to be terrorists.
As shocking as the image is, there are some people who see it and don't bat an eyelid to the horror and suffering on display. To them, it's someone who poses a threat to them and their way of life.
As shocking as the image is, there are some people who see it and don't bat an eyelid to the horror and suffering on display. To them, it's someone who poses a threat to them and their way of life.
TheRealTalker
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what I hate is those that thing only criticism can be applied to one group
Daesh is scum but also Assad is scum
there is no saintliness with Assad
he isn't a good guy
this guy is a twisted cruel monster
Daesh is scum but also Assad is scum
there is no saintliness with Assad
he isn't a good guy
this guy is a twisted cruel monster
Lightning_Roller
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Holy shit, that picture says so much. Damn that's depressing.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That's...that's a picture alright. Gives me the same feeling as the Vietnam one with the children burned by Napalm
Are you high or something? First of all, the arch enemy of Arabs isn't "Zionists", it's other fucking Arabs. Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Syria, etc. In each and every one of these countries, Arabs have slaughtered each other in numbers the Israelis can and will never match. Secondly, the Mongols tore a path of death and destruction from Central Asia to Damascus. Millions of people and entire global cities were wiped out by them.
Bashar Al-Assad is a terrible human being. There's no need for you to go all hyperbolic.
Led_Zeppelin
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Sorry, but I hate this kind of stuff trying to "blame" someone for the bombing. It is war, a civil war at that. With 2 world powers trying to pursue an agenda in the region and this seems more like propaganda than anything else.
Did the same anchor cried when the US bombed and killed 73 civilians? Of course he didn't, because that would be detrimental to the US case in Syria and their pejorative to take down Assad. When was the mass media when the rebels that the US backed and trained for years decapitated a Syrian kid?
Don't be fooled, this reeks of manipulation of perception.
Did the same anchor cried when the US bombed and killed 73 civilians? Of course he didn't, because that would be detrimental to the US case in Syria and their pejorative to take down Assad. When was the mass media when the rebels that the US backed and trained for years decapitated a Syrian kid?
Don't be fooled, this reeks of manipulation of perception.
Currently, yes. They would fill the vacuum of power and the world would, in whispered tones, be going, "Oh, crap..."
That's currently in the works, but the world is focused on ISIS, for the most part. If you talked about it with certain people in, say, the US government, they know exacly what's coming and they're concerned.
That pretty much broke me. God fucking damnit.when he wipes his face and sees the blood and then goes to wipe it on the seat but thinks better of it.... I can't...
BriareosGAF
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Even if you don't believe in agitprop conspiracy theories, I'd hope in the West by now we would have agreed that we have almost no insight into the on the ground political reality of most geo-political environments in the Middle East, and a complete inability to judge who are 'moral' actors. What is the last 100 years of Western involvement in the area but a sad and dismal tale of meddling gone wrong, alliances made and broken, betrayed, etc.
If we truly thought civilian deaths during wartime were objectionable, our behavior, and our voting, would be, en masse, far different.
tauroxd
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http://time.com/4457335/syrian-ambulance-boy-omran-daqneesh-fine/
He and his family are alive and well... It is the only consolation we have about this...
He and his family are alive and well... It is the only consolation we have about this...
Led_Zeppelin
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There isn't a conspiracy, there is already a new cold war going on. One of the talking points this election cycle has been the foreign policy the US would pursue regarding Russia.
My main problem is that the media never push this narrative when the US or its allies are the ones doing the bombing. What happen with the killing Saudi Arabia did in Yemen? From what moral ground does the US critizes Russia of being allies with Assad when the US has among its allies the Saudis (or had among its allies countless dictators or military dictators in the past)? This also doesn't include the general ignorance of most people in the west when it comes to foreign policy and really buy into the narrative that the US an its allies are the champions of freedom, democracy or whatever bullshit they are selling.
This type of "reactions" are just there to manipulate audiences that would never happen if the bombing was caused by a US drone, like it happen a month ago, when 73 civilians (most of them women and children) died.
Genuine question, why is Assad such a problem in modern Syria's context? He may be a dictator, but he's a secular dictator and that's what we need to eradicate the cancer of ISIS and the radical religious fervor that lies at the core. Clearly the lesser of two evils here IMO, because I feel like an american alternative will be like post-invasion Iraq.
PadWarrior
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Man that was hard to watch. Gonna give my kids a big hug after work today.
Thank God they are alive and well.http://time.com/4457335/syrian-ambulance-boy-omran-daqneesh-fine/
He and his family are alive and well... It is the only consolation we have about this...
wesleyshark
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The video clip is haunting. So damn sad. War is absolute hell.
TheRealTalker
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Led_Zeppelin
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That reeks of "We must take Saddam to bring peace to the region". I find hilarious that people are using the same arguments now and exchange Saddam with Assad. Yes Assad is a terrible dictator but that doesn't mean the US should focus on bringing "democracy" to the region if they aren't willing to deal with a possible even worse elected leader.
Also yesterday we hear how Saudi Arabia bombed a doctor without borders hospital in Yemen and the week before the US SOLD weapons to Saudi Arabia for over 1 Billion or more. Then you see the mass media in the US crying crocodile tears for a kid being bombed in Syria but not even raise the question of why their government is selling weapons to a theocratic state that is basically bombing hospitals and schools.
Ziltoidia 9
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I will probably be 70 and I still won't know the solution to the ME.
Not the CNN, that's for sure.
I saw that video on Reuters earlier today. The way the kid looks around like he doesn't know what's going on, the way he touches his head and wonders where the blood came from... Seeing that kind of innocence being attacked is heartbreaking and infuriating in equal measure. The cost of real human evil is rarely demonstrated in such a pointed way.
afternoon delight
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If the past is one of the best ways to predict the future, neither will its belligerents.
Led_Zeppelin
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Because of how manipulative it is. The mass media cries for a kid in Syria but doesn't do the same for the kids in Yemen. Or even for the same Syrian kids being bombed by the US and its allies. I am not saying that people shouldn't feel sorry for the kid, but people should start to question the media that cries for one kid (being bombed by the Syrian government and Russia) but not even report on the bombing of civilians done by the US or their allies. Selective manipulation of information isn't a good sign if you don't want to be called out on playing favorites with news to push a narrative.
TheRealTalker
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so what RT and Press TV?
you do know that ISIS attacks the rebels on multiple occasions?
you do know there are tons of rebel factions?
you do know that the ones in Aleppo have been abandoned by the US?
you do know that ISIS and Assad occasionally do deals with each other?
you do know that Assad killed 400,000 people?
of course while you were trying to run away from propaganda you fell face first into another countries propaganda
Yes indeed atrocities are being committed elsewhere but when a said atrocity occurs we must condemn it and the people must face justice regardless of what side it is from
NATO
GCC
Russia/Iran/Assad
Deash
Rebels
Assad is a monster and he must face justice
it isn't about some competition for world supremacy or rivalries between foreign nations and alliances, or even ourselves and our arrogance and pride to believe we are better then them and should only care for our selfish selves but rather these maniac is evil and no one regardless of who it is shouldn't side with him
this isn't about the anchor, this is about the kid and the other civilians who every day live in fear from their so called "leader" who runs around killing them with foreign planes and foreign militias from Iran, Afghanistan, and Lebanon
LegendofJoe
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What a piece of shit. Yeah, this innocent child is a threat to your way of life. And even if he does become that guess what - your hatred and intolerance of him probably had a lot to do with that happening.
We really needed to do a no fly zone right off the bat on this, when the rebels were begging us to help. Syria just keeps getting more fucked up.
Russia is not in nato, though?
I think you mean the UN.
Russia wants a proxy nation, Iran wants nations in the area that don't hate its guts. At this point the only reasonable thing we can do is enforce a cease fire and back it up with force in rebel controlled zones.
The amount of civilians killed by the U.S. and the amount of civilians killed in Syria are of completely different magnitudes.
Russia is not in nato, though?
I think you mean the UN.
Russia wants a proxy nation, Iran wants nations in the area that don't hate its guts. At this point the only reasonable thing we can do is enforce a cease fire and back it up with force in rebel controlled zones.
The amount of civilians killed by the U.S. and the amount of civilians killed in Syria are of completely different magnitudes.
The US is already maintaining a no-fly-zone over Hasakah where the Kurdish-led SDF are operating according to recent reports. Not official and certainly not confirmed by the WH. But it could be done. The Russians wouldn't dare go up against NATO warplanes.
The Syrian Democratic Forces are led by the secular Kurds and have been leading a charge across northern Syria since the US began airstrikes. They've achieved some major successes and have large numbers in their ranks. They're allied with the FSA as well.
Pardon me but....what bollox is this?
Royal_Phalanx
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They're a threat to our Western society, don't let a single one of them into our countries. /s
Horrible. The Syrian war needs to end.
Horrible. The Syrian war needs to end.
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