He'll see what way the wind blows when 2020 rolls around. I'd say the chance of him going for re-election are slim, but you cant stump the Trump thats for sure.
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CNN: Nikki Haley picked as UN ambassador according to sources
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He'll see what way the wind blows when 2020 rolls around. I'd say the chance of him going for re-election are slim, but you cant stump the Trump thats for sure.
Very unfortunate. No telling what he is going to do as governor. At least Haley kept the idiots somewhat in check in the legislature.
Gentleman Jack
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Stop grading Trump on a curve. If he makes a bad pick, call it a bad pick and stop being relieved that he didn't appoint a mass-murderer or whatever worst-case scenario you've dreamed up. 
Stumpokapow
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She's not the worst name that was floated for the job, although I'd note that she has no foreign policy experience or interest before now so she's absolutely not qualified.
It's hard not read this as about removing an unfriendly Republican governor and replacing her with a friendly one while simultaneously lowering her profile and ability to run for the presidency later.
It's hard not read this as about removing an unfriendly Republican governor and replacing her with a friendly one while simultaneously lowering her profile and ability to run for the presidency later.
ebullientprism
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I imagine this will be heard a lot over the next 4 years.
Lashes out instantly when he's got an agenda. Best of friends when he forgets about the agenda
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Stop grading Trump on a curve. If he makes a bad pick, call it a bad pick and stop being relieved that he didn't appoint a mass-murderer or whatever worst-case scenario you've dreamed up.
"Well, I suppose she isn't as crazy as the new AG who thinks the NAACP is 'un-American'."
seriously?
That's what others believe, also. This is a bigger reward for McMaster and Trump more than Haley. Trump gets another Republican governor eating out of his hand and not challenging him and he gives the appearance of not being an orange bigot by putting a daughter of immigrants in a position of import.
He absolutely has his eyes on 8 years, no doubt, and I believe he will also get it...
Calamari41
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Lol, you think Trump has a chance in 2020? No way in hell! Tim Kaine has this in the bag. No need to even bother voting, Trump's re-election is a pipe dream.
ReBurn
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There's a lot of kneejerk reaction about pretty much any Trump pick, but this is actually a pretty good one. It provides her experience that will be helpful should she ultimately consider a congressional or presidential run down the line. People lamenting the lack of women and PoC representation in the higher levels of government should be ok with the door this opens.
Abinash117
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Obama surrounded himself with people that did. I would argue that need FP experience now is more important than ever with the issues regarding China, Russia, Iraq, ISIS, Syria, the rest of the ME, refugee crisis, etc not a freshman who is now just getting into the ropes. Ambassador is probably not a big worry for a new comer though, but she might be extremely unprepared. Ambassador to the UN is a pretty big deal and she is going to experience people who have far,far more experience herself. If the US takes an image hit and others think this as an opportunity to one up the US, I hopefully she can take the fire.
You can contradict almost every statement/decision by Donald with a Tweet of his.
Its impressive.
That's fine, continue to laugh and make light of it. Don't take him seriously. People, especially the Democtatic party, have been doing just that since well before he even officially announced his candidacy.
Pretty sure what you quoted was sarcasm.
I sure hope so. I can't even tell anymore.
Stumpokapow
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The past 8 UN ambassadors (excluding Acting Ambassadors) and their job qualifications (only listing things directly related to foreign service, public policy, diplomacy, or war):
Samantha Power - Journalist, Yugoslavian civil war; Time Magazine columnist on foreign issues; author of three books on IR and foreign affairs; Executive Director, Harvard Carr Center for Human Rights Policy; Professor of Public Policy, Harvard; senior advisor to Barack Obama 2008; Special Assistant to National Security Council; Chair, Obama Anti-Genocide ("Atrocity Prevention") Board
Susan Rice - Doctorate in International Relations from Oxford, Rhodes scholar, foreign policy aide to Dukakis, member of the National Security Council under Clinton, special assistant to president for African Affairs, Assistant Secretary of State, foreign policy advisor to Kerry, Brookings Senior Fellow on foreign policy.
Zalmary Khalilzad - Professor of Political Science, Columbia; foreign policy advisor under Carter; Council on Foreign Relations fellow, State Department advisor, South Asia; senior advisor to Reagan for Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq; special advisor to Undersecretary of State; Director of RAND Corporation's International Relations unit; advised Chevron on trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline; signatory of Project for New American Century letter; US Ambassador to Afghanistan; US Ambassador to Iraq.
John Bolton - BA PoliSci / JD Yale; National Guard reservist; Senior Vice President for Public Policy, American Enterprise Institute; Assistant to James Baker for Western Sahara; Assistant Secretary for International Organizations and Affairs; Assistant Attourney General; Assistant Administrator and later General Counsel, USAID; Assistant Attorney General; Undersecretary for Arms Control; Council on Foreign Relations; Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf
John Negroponte - Foreign Service Officer, 10+ years, including on the Vietnam peace talks, US Ambassador to Honduras; Assistant Secretary of State for Oceans; Deputy Assistant National Security Advisor; Ambassador to Mexico; Ambassador to Philippines; Deputy National Security Advisor; speaks five languages
Richard Holbrooke - Fellow, Princeton IR school; foreign service, Vietnam (USAID); Vietnam Advisor, Johnson White House; Special Assistant to Undersecretaries of State; participant in Paris Peace Talks; wrote Pentagon Papers; Peace Corps Director, Morocco; Foreign Policy Advisor, Jimmy Carter; Assistant Secretary of State, East Asia; Policy advisor, Al Gore for President; Board of Refugees International; US Ambassador to Germany; Assistant Secretary of State, Europe; Special Envoy to Balkans; wrote as journalist and author about Balkans and civil war there.
Bill Richardson - MA in International Relations, Tufts/Fletcher; Staff member, Senate Foreign Relations committee; State Department, Nixon admin; House of Reps negotiating committee for NAFTA; negotiator for Bill Clinton in Iraq; diplomatic back-channel work in many countries including North Korea (nominated for Nobel Peace Prize). I agree, Richardson has a pretty thin resume.
Madeleine Albright - BA PoliSci from Wellesley; MA Columbia IR; PhD Columbia IR (thesis on journalists in Czech Revolution); Chief Legislative Assistant, Senator Ed Muskie (who worked extensively on Foreign Policy); Congressional Liaison for National Security Council; Woodrow Wilson International Center fellow, wrote on Poland's Solidarity movement; Prof Georgetown, Eastern European Studies; foreign policy advisor, Ferraro; foreign policy advisor, Dukakis; transition head for National Security Council for Clinton
Okay, now let's look at Nikki Haley's qualifications related to foreign policy:
Nikki Haley - As governor of South Carolina, had some disputes related to immigration policy with federal government; Husband is in Army National Guard.
Samantha Power - Journalist, Yugoslavian civil war; Time Magazine columnist on foreign issues; author of three books on IR and foreign affairs; Executive Director, Harvard Carr Center for Human Rights Policy; Professor of Public Policy, Harvard; senior advisor to Barack Obama 2008; Special Assistant to National Security Council; Chair, Obama Anti-Genocide ("Atrocity Prevention") Board
Susan Rice - Doctorate in International Relations from Oxford, Rhodes scholar, foreign policy aide to Dukakis, member of the National Security Council under Clinton, special assistant to president for African Affairs, Assistant Secretary of State, foreign policy advisor to Kerry, Brookings Senior Fellow on foreign policy.
Zalmary Khalilzad - Professor of Political Science, Columbia; foreign policy advisor under Carter; Council on Foreign Relations fellow, State Department advisor, South Asia; senior advisor to Reagan for Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq; special advisor to Undersecretary of State; Director of RAND Corporation's International Relations unit; advised Chevron on trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline; signatory of Project for New American Century letter; US Ambassador to Afghanistan; US Ambassador to Iraq.
John Bolton - BA PoliSci / JD Yale; National Guard reservist; Senior Vice President for Public Policy, American Enterprise Institute; Assistant to James Baker for Western Sahara; Assistant Secretary for International Organizations and Affairs; Assistant Attourney General; Assistant Administrator and later General Counsel, USAID; Assistant Attorney General; Undersecretary for Arms Control; Council on Foreign Relations; Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf
John Negroponte - Foreign Service Officer, 10+ years, including on the Vietnam peace talks, US Ambassador to Honduras; Assistant Secretary of State for Oceans; Deputy Assistant National Security Advisor; Ambassador to Mexico; Ambassador to Philippines; Deputy National Security Advisor; speaks five languages
Richard Holbrooke - Fellow, Princeton IR school; foreign service, Vietnam (USAID); Vietnam Advisor, Johnson White House; Special Assistant to Undersecretaries of State; participant in Paris Peace Talks; wrote Pentagon Papers; Peace Corps Director, Morocco; Foreign Policy Advisor, Jimmy Carter; Assistant Secretary of State, East Asia; Policy advisor, Al Gore for President; Board of Refugees International; US Ambassador to Germany; Assistant Secretary of State, Europe; Special Envoy to Balkans; wrote as journalist and author about Balkans and civil war there.
Bill Richardson - MA in International Relations, Tufts/Fletcher; Staff member, Senate Foreign Relations committee; State Department, Nixon admin; House of Reps negotiating committee for NAFTA; negotiator for Bill Clinton in Iraq; diplomatic back-channel work in many countries including North Korea (nominated for Nobel Peace Prize). I agree, Richardson has a pretty thin resume.
Madeleine Albright - BA PoliSci from Wellesley; MA Columbia IR; PhD Columbia IR (thesis on journalists in Czech Revolution); Chief Legislative Assistant, Senator Ed Muskie (who worked extensively on Foreign Policy); Congressional Liaison for National Security Council; Woodrow Wilson International Center fellow, wrote on Poland's Solidarity movement; Prof Georgetown, Eastern European Studies; foreign policy advisor, Ferraro; foreign policy advisor, Dukakis; transition head for National Security Council for Clinton
Okay, now let's look at Nikki Haley's qualifications related to foreign policy:
Nikki Haley - As governor of South Carolina, had some disputes related to immigration policy with federal government; Husband is in Army National Guard.
Calamari41
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Yes, it was. I don't blame you for not being able to tell, which is sad... I can already see the posts leading up to 2020.
ReBurn
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Which things does an ambassador to the United Nations do that Nikki Haley would not be able to due to lack of qualifications? Is there something inherently special about representing the interests of the Federal government to a body of delegates that the role of Governernor would not prepare her for?
It's not like the ambassador to the United Nations works independently of the Administration to create foreign policy. Actual foreign policy is going to come from the State department. Ambassador is the mouthpiece at the UN.
Stumpokapow
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Just to be clear, the argument you're going for here is that it doesn't seem like the UN Ambassador needs to be qualified in any way.
That is most assuredly not the role that Eleanor Roosevelt carved out for the US delegate.
Calamari41
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This is a good appointment in that it shows he doesn't carry grudges and might not be as thin skinned as many have said. It also gives her some international cred if she decides to run for President in the future. Seems like they are both benefiting politically.
I hope this satiates the "reaching out" contingent and allows him to dump the Romney talk. Romney can just go away imo.
I hope this satiates the "reaching out" contingent and allows him to dump the Romney talk. Romney can just go away imo.
ReBurn
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That's not what I'm saying at all. It seems like she's not ticking some boxes that you've defined as qualifications, most important of all being foreign policy experience. If there's an official job description that lists these qualifications so we can see the boxes that need to be checked that would be great.
You've yet to say exactly what it is she will not be able to do because of a lack of experience. Surely she knows how to address assemblies and discuss matters of policy, as that's something that a Governernor does. Surely she's capable of making decisions and judgment calls, as that's something that a governor does. Surely she's able to talk to people from other countries as a Governor works to court foreign investment in their state.
I'm trying to figure out exactly what she lacks in experience that makes her not qualified to be ambassador as a Governor is a state's chief diplomat.
Sirpopopop
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Stump - I do recall from my time in South Carolina that Haley was often out of the country visiting foreign corporations to get them to do business in South Carolina. She did have some success in that department (See: Volvo). Her qualifications don't stack next to the list you posted, but they are better than what you posted.
Bruce Springsteen
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this was exactly what I thought of when I read the headline
Wag
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Well, she did call Trump a good role model for kids. (and then quickly rolled that back when called on it).
Damerman
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Too soon bro.
ebullientprism
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If there's some Republican cabal interested in grooming Haley for the presidency, and she somehow wins it, that would be so embarrassing to Democrats to not be able to claim that first for themselves.
Damerman
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Hmmm
MisterFalcon
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The campaign slogan: "I'm with her (no not her)"
Good Job Bob
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The US would be far from the first Western country where the first female head of state comes from a right wing party.
Do you have a preference for Trump's pick for Secretary of State? I remember you being a Trump supporter since the primary and I'm interested if you have a prefered name among those who have been discussed. Especially since there seems to be a lot of grumbling in Trumps camp about the possibility of him choosing Romney.
This isn't a troll post, I'm just curious.
gamechanger87
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Romney is an ideal pick for Sec of State because its shows that Trump is willing to put an enemy in a position of power if he believes its for the greater good. No one can complain about this concept of the greater good, but in all honesty for those worrying about Trump and Russia and appointment of Romney more or less nixes that as he has claimed they are our number one enemy.
Romney does not want to run for public office again and he is very anti-Trump, but this may be a way for him to feel like his a moderating force in the administration.
For those worrying about Trump and foreign interactions, this should be a good sign.
ReBurn
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It would damage the narrative that the Republican Party is just about old white men, though. An NRI woman is about as far from the caricature as someone can get.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I had to live with this asshole running the state. It's interesting watching the rest of you consider her "okay." Those lowered expectations.
Stumpokapow
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I think the UN Ambassador should have some experience in foreign policy. I did not expect this to be controversial, especially because all of them ever have been extremely experienced diplomats until today when someone with absolutely no relevant experience was nominated.
Sirpopopop
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She does have experience in foreign policy though...
Her core economic growth plan in South Carolina pretty much focused on attracting foreign investment.
theignoramus
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Hes doing it to keep Romney from sniping at him all through his term. Romney as SoS would infuriate the ideologues in his base, but it would bring a powerful Republican enemy into the fold.
I wonder if Obama put that idea in his ear, he did something similar picking HRC as his SecState.
HerbertBirdsfoot
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Better than Bolton. At least he has picked one critic. Least objectionable pick so far. Please pick Romney for State.
Chittagong
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A surprising choice for a president elect described as a misogynistic racist by some
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This person is going to talk to the world for us.
http://theslot.jezebel.com/nikki-haley-might-have-zero-knowledge-of-american-histo-1752819103
http://theslot.jezebel.com/nikki-haley-might-have-zero-knowledge-of-american-histo-1752819103
Stumpokapow
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To the extent that it involves negotiation and some of the negotiation is with other countries, sure. But the level of indirection there is enormous. As a matter of policy, trade and economic development is a small portion of the UNA portfolio, whereas geopolitics and security are a huge portion. The standard by which anyone who has interacted with foreign business is qualified would ostensibly qualify virtually every C-suite exec, every governor, many large city mayors, etc. even if they couldn't find Europe on a map.
I think if we were to look at literally every other UN Ambassador back to day one across both parties, and use their real qualifications to suggest what we ought to have as qualifications going forward, we would not say "she managed to get an Ikea opened" is one--I admit that my contempt for the cavalier way of assembling a cabinet is showing through, but even the most charitable interpretation of her career sustains my point.
Doug Heffernan
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Yup, I'll take a Massachusetts moderate over Bolton any day.
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