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I've been using the Bonmac #2 single-hole dripper for over a year now, but I'm looking to shake up my routine. How does that dripper stack up against other pour-over brewers? Or should I save up instead for a gooseneck kettle? Anything to make mornings interesting again.
 
I waited like twoish hours (lol)

┐(´ー`)┌ it only took so long because like 90% of the people were getting drip. Anyone getting iced coffee (me) were in and out in like 50 seconds.
 
All right guys I bit the bullet and bought the following:

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I still need a grinder and some beans, gonna buy the beans locally but I'm not sure what to do about the grinder.

It depends. If you want something quick, you can drop another $20-30 and just get a simple electric grinder for home. We could dive further in connical blade grinders vs burr grinders vs stainless but I don't know if you'll really care all that much about since you're just starting out. Just go for something with defined settings unless you don't mind holding down a button until you can tell if its the right consistency.

I have a handmill grinder. Allows for more control and frankly, I love the way it looks too. Cleaning isn't a pain either. Hario has both this model below and another model that is far cheaper for $25.

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However, if you don't like the idea of waking up and cranking muscle to grind up some beans, just go for an electric grinder. If you want something more specific I can recommend some great grinders but they may run you a bit more money.


I've been using the Bonmac #2 single-hole dripper for over a year now, but I'm looking to shake up my routine. How does that dripper stack up against other pour-over brewers? Or should I save up instead for a gooseneck kettle? Anything to make mornings interesting again.


Read this about different forms of ceramic drippers and see how you feel about the others. Glass v60's by Hario don't have a standard 2-4 holes for a slow drip. Its a wide opening so brewing takes about 2-3 minutes. It varies on your preference. So read that guide and see if you would prefer something faster or are still okay with a little bit longer of a submersion.

If you love pour overs but want to try a different method all together, Prema has a great guide about the design, technique, and advantages of different brewing methods for pour overs ! The guide includes information on Chemex's and other forms of brewing.

I would still invest in a elephant spout aka gooseneck kettle. The control it provides for brewing your coffee is definitely key to a better cup in the morning. Just dumping water onto your coffee greatly decreases the flavor profile and overall taste of your morning brew. So I would definitely recommend getting one all together.

If you still have more questions after reading those, feel free to ask ! I love discussing coffee all day so the more technical this gets, the more excited I get. :)


I love instant coffee.

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Blue Bottle in 2015 is not worth a three hour wait. Shit, even Blue Bottle in 2011 wasn't worth a three hour wait.

It's definitely because it just opened, but there are shit "hyped" business' in Tokyo that have lines daily for months. There's a chicago popcorn chain in Harajuku and I've never not seen a line outside of it in over a year.

Anyway Bluebottle was meh I guess. I'll go back when there's no line and dry their drip but otherwise Tokyo has better coffee places imo.
 
Discovered another local roaster last week, Parlor Coffee. It turns out I'd actually been to their pop-up location before but didn't know they were a roaster themselves. Picked up their Stockist Blend. So far, so good, but man is it pricey at $12 for 8 ounces. I didn't realize it was only an 8 ounce bag until I got it home. I'd say that it's good but not worth the premium. I've still got some of the bag to use so I could change my mind, have only run it as espresso so far.
 
I'm extremely new to home made coffee, so please be gentle.

I bought a Moka pot out of curiosity just to try out. I've never been a coffee drinker, but it's nice to have a cup from time to time. I even bought a coffee grinder for the beans. Long story short, my coffee comes out BITTER as all hell. Like, undrinkable bitter. Is it supposed to be that bigger coming from a moka pot, or am I just terrible at making it?

Perhaps I'm just used to a "regular", full cup coffee and not espresso.
 
I'm extremely new to home made coffee, so please be gentle.

I bought a Moka pot out of curiosity just to try out. I've never been a coffee drinker, but it's nice to have a cup from time to time. I even bought a coffee grinder for the beans. Long story short, my coffee comes out BITTER as all hell. Like, undrinkable bitter. Is it supposed to be that bigger coming from a moka pot, or am I just terrible at making it?

Perhaps I'm just used to a "regular", full cup coffee and not espresso.
If it's super bitter it means it's over-extracted. Either you're not using enough coffee or you've ground the coffee too fine.

You may want to look up some moka pot recipes, follow them, and compare your results. You could also pick up some Cafe Bustelo or Pilon ground espresso-- often used with mok pots-- and compare the grounds you're grinding with their's.

Is your grinder a blade grinder or a burr grinder?
 
I don't know anything about the moka pot but are you brewing for too long or with too fine a grind?

If it's super bitter it means it's over-extracted. Either you're not using enough coffee or you've ground the coffee too fine.

You may want to look up some moka pot recipes, follow them, and compare your results. You could also pick up some Cafe Bustelo or Pilon ground espresso-- often used with mok pots-- and compare the grounds you're grinding with their's.

Is your grinder a blade grinder or a burr grinder?

Hmmm, I actually use a spice grinder that I bought specifically for the beans. I didn't find out about actual coffee bean grinders until afterward, but saw that some people use them. I guess that counts as a blade grinder. Saw a few videos about not packing the filter too tightly so it's in there lightly. Also used medium high heat, them temper it down once it starts flowing out.

Maybe I'm grinding the beans too much and need a more course grind. I'll try it again tomorrow and see how it is. Will report back.

Edit: Just read a review that stated I should do about 3 pulses for a course grind, so I'll try that.
 
A blade grinder is going to always give you an inconsistent grind. No matter how good it is or how dialed in someone got it. You can pick up some decent hand grinders for $20-40 on sale and they'll do much better. Alternatively you can Cafe Bustello like Union Carbine suggested.
 
Hmmm, I actually use a spice grinder that I bought specifically for the beans. I didn't find out about actual coffee bean grinders until afterward, but saw that some people use them. I guess that counts as a blade grinder. Saw a few videos about not packing the filter too tightly so it's in there lightly. Also used medium high heat, them temper it down once it starts flowing out.

Maybe I'm grinding the beans too much and need a more course grind. I'll try it again tomorrow and see how it is. Will report back.

Edit: Just read a review that stated I should do about 3 pulses for a course grind, so I'll try that.

A blade grinder is going to always give you an inconsistent grind. No matter how good it is or how dialed in someone got it. You can pick up some decent hand grinders for $20-40 on sale and they'll do much better. Alternatively you can Cafe Bustello like Union Carbine suggested.

You're really better off getting a burr grinder-- I use a modded Hario Skerton hand grinder that works well, there are also others: Porlex, Kuissential, etc.

As @TarpitCarnivore said, you'll never get consistency with the blade. One trial of three pulses can turn out very differently from another trial of three pulses-- there's just no way to accurately set a grind size and repeat it.
 
I agree. Spice grinders were meant to make a powder like consistency. Just one pulse would be too much already in most cases. You should invest in an electric grinder or a handmill. I've posted something about them earlier either this page or last.

Where I worked for 3 1/2 years, people frequently came in with a problem like yours because of their grinder. They used spice grinders , made coffee, and it was incredibly bitter. Its too condensed for the water to properly extract the coffee. That along with storing coffee in their freezers and a bunch of other issues are pretty common when it comes to coffee.

If its just casual consumption, cafe bustelo was what I grew up on and that stuff is great. If you want to work with craft coffee, you need a better grinder.
 
You were all VERY much correct, as I tried to do a more course grind and the result was wildly different. Much more mellow, and I can actually taste more of the back notes along with a rounded coffee flavor. That last batch from yesterday nearly blew the pigment from my skin. I'll definitely have to look into a dedicated grinder as you have all suggested, but the tips certainly held with what I currently have. Gonna try an even more course grind later and see how it goes.

Thanks :)
 
You were all VERY much correct, as I tried to do a more course grind and the result was wildly different. Much more mellow, and I can actually taste more of the back notes along with a rounded coffee flavor. That last batch from yesterday nearly blew the pigment from my skin. I'll definitely have to look into a dedicated grinder as you have all suggested, but the tips certainly held with what I currently have. Gonna try an even more course grind later and see how it goes.

Thanks :)
Great. In all honesty, the grinder is second only to the beans in its importance to coffee brewing. It really can't be overstated.
 
Question for you guys. I can't be the only one but does coffee put anyone else in a bad mood?

I love the flavor of coffee and I love to drink it but lately I've noticed every time I drink it I seem to get pissed within about 20 minutes and I stay that way for a while. I'm gonna try to give it up but does this happen to anyone else?
 
Your biggest enemy with all coffee is light, moisture, and air.

Storing it in the freezer is by far the absolute worst thing you can do to your coffee.
It's really not a problem with modern fridges equipped with technology preventing frost formation.
Just keep your bag closed tightly, and it'll be perfectly fine.
Or even better, store your beans in a box where vacuum can be made.

I do buy my coffee beans for a whole month, storing them in my freezer as soon as I've bought them and only pick the quantity I need for the day every morning.
And every morning I get that delicious smell of freshly roasted coffee when the grinder does its job.
If there's any difference in smell or taste between the day I've bought the beans and one month later, I honestly can't tell.

And don't thaw the beans, it's unnecessary.
 
Roasted coffee beans contain almost no water, so there's virtually nothing to freeze or thaw per se.

Just try freezing some coffee beans, put one in your mouth and crunch it with your teeth.
You'll feel no more resistance than if the bean wasn't frozen, and you won't feel cold in your mouth either.

Your grinder won't care, and this will have virtually no impact on your coffee's temperature.
In fact, the coffee will be thawed and at room temperature as soon as it's out of the grinder.

The aim of the whole process is just to store the beans at very low temperature, so that their aromas are better preserved.
This won't prevent the beans to go stale with time, it'll just clearly slow down the process.
 
I have a really, really old burr grinder I got from my late aunt, I'd like to use it to grind for my French press, but the wood inside isn't in very good condition so it doesn't seem very higienic. It's really pretty, but it's probably over 50 years old. Need to find a cheap one.
 
Regular coffee consumption contributes to DNA integrity

onlymadethistoargue from Reddit said:
Bsaically, your DNA gets damaged in a variety of ways and when your DNA repair mechanisms can't fix it or don't fix it correctly, you get mutations and improper protein function because your cell is accessing corrupted data. This can lead to constantly active growth signals or inactive anti-growth signals, both of which will lead to cancer. On the flip side, DNA can be mutated into overall lack of function, which leads to cellular aging, which leads to the organism aging.
What they did in this experiment was measure in peripheral white blood cells a single type of DNA damage, the strand break, which is, as the name implies, is when one or both strands of a molecule of DNA break apart. This is a nasty type of damage as, in the case of double strand breaks, it can cause chromosomal translocations, which is where two different chunks of broken DNA are put together, which may result in improper genetic function. For example, the "always active" switch of a tumor suppressor gene may be fused to a gene coding for a protein that promotes cell proliferation, which will promote cancer. In the case of single strand breaks, improper repair of the strand can lead to new mutation on its own.
Their findings indicate that those who drank 750 ml (~3 cups) of coffee per day experienced 27% fewer strand breaks in white blood cells than those who only drank water, controlling for diet and body weight
 
When you use a french press, do any of the coffee grounds make it through the filter and into your cup, or is it flawless in straining them?
 
When you use a french press, do any of the coffee grounds make it through the filter and into your cup, or is it flawless in straining them?
If your coffee is ground too thinly, it'll pass through the filter.
And as far as I know, the ground coffee you can buy in supermarkets or the like will generally be too thinly ground for this kind of brewing system.
 
When you use a french press, do any of the coffee grounds make it through the filter and into your cup, or is it flawless in straining them?

French press filters can't catch every single particle in the brew, so you will always end up with a little sediment in the bottom of your mug and the drink may be a little thicker than a brew filtered through paper.
 
When you use a french press, do any of the coffee grounds make it through the filter and into your cup, or is it flawless in straining them?

Sediment is part of the french press and the drinking profile it offers. If it's too much you can try grinding a bit more coarse, but too much and it will have an impact on steep time. Optionally you can pour it through a filter, but that kind of defeats the purpose of a french press.
 
thanks, guys. I don't plan on grinding my own beans so it's supermarket stuff for me. I'm kind of particular about sediment, hmm. I'm tired of my keurig coffee, it's great for weekdays but on the weekend I want a real cup and will probably buy a french press. is it really so wrong to pour it through a paper filter after?
 
thanks, guys. I don't plan on grinding my own beans so it's supermarket stuff for me. I'm kind of particular about sediment, hmm. I'm tired of my keurig coffee, it's great for weekdays but on the weekend I want a real cup and will probably buy a french press. is it really so wrong to pour it through a paper filter after?

Couldn't you get your beans ground at a course setting for french press? I've seen that most supermarkets have a grinder there that you can use. I've never checked to see if the grind can be adjusted. You could always go the pour over route or chemex.
 
thanks, guys. I don't plan on grinding my own beans so it's supermarket stuff for me. I'm kind of particular about sediment, hmm. I'm tired of my keurig coffee, it's great for weekdays but on the weekend I want a real cup and will probably buy a french press. is it really so wrong to pour it through a paper filter after?

If your use of a french press is to quickly and easily make coffee then there is nothing wrong with it. I was pointing it out, because the reason people tend to prefer the french is the lack of clarity. A filter removes a lot of the oils from a coffee brew.
 
I'm a pretty simple Folgers kind of guy. I'll buy k-cups every now and then, but I stick to somewhat cheaper coffee. Heading to the store after work, and figured I'd try something new. Any recommendations? The darker the better.
 
I'm a pretty simple Folgers kind of guy. I'll buy k-cups every now and then, but I stick to somewhat cheaper coffee. Heading to the store after work, and figured I'd try something new. Any recommendations? The darker the better.


Do you prefer dark coffee merely because of taste?

The darker the roast, the less caffeine content.

I can make recommendations based on if you like it for the taste or want something with a bit more caffeine content.
 
I'm a pretty simple Folgers kind of guy. I'll buy k-cups every now and then, but I stick to somewhat cheaper coffee. Heading to the store after work, and figured I'd try something new. Any recommendations? The darker the better.

If you don't want to buy beans from a local coffee shop (best option) and from a supermarket instead, you can always try Trader Joe's coffee. Not too bad for the price, and I'd say it's a step up from Folgers.
 
Do you prefer dark coffee merely because of taste?

The darker the roast, the less caffeine content.

I can make recommendations based on if you like it for the taste or want something with a bit more caffeine content.
I drink coffee for the taste. Breakfast without it is not breakfast.

If you don't want to buy beans from a local coffee shop (best option) and from a supermarket instead, you can always try Trader Joe's coffee. Not too bad for the price, and I'd say it's a step up from Folgers.
The three Trader Joe's in Houston are pretty far from me, so I'd have to get their coffee from a place like Amazon. If I'm near one, and I remember to stop by, I'll get some of their coffee.
 
Couldn't you get your beans ground at a course setting for french press? I've seen that most supermarkets have a grinder there that you can use. I've never checked to see if the grind can be adjusted. You could always go the pour over route or chemex.
oh wow, I forgot that supermarkets have grinders despite going every week. I'm a bit new to coffee so I just always ignore it to the point it's invisible now. I was referring to stuff from coffee cans but the in-store grinder just might get a visit from me

If your use of a french press is to quickly and easily make coffee then there is nothing wrong with it. I was pointing it out, because the reason people tend to prefer the french is the lack of clarity. A filter removes a lot of the oils from a coffee brew.
well I could always try both and see which taste I like better. thanks!
 
thanks, guys. I don't plan on grinding my own beans so it's supermarket stuff for me. I'm kind of particular about sediment, hmm. I'm tired of my keurig coffee, it's great for weekdays but on the weekend I want a real cup and will probably buy a french press. is it really so wrong to pour it through a paper filter after?
I'd recommend you try using an italian coffee maker (moka pot) rather than a french press, then.
It won't produce as much sediment as a french press, and will make a much better coffee, in my opinion.
 
I'd recommend you try using an italian coffee maker (moka pot) rather than a french press, then.
It won't produce as much sediment as a french press, and will make a much better coffee, in my opinion.

I just looked up Moka Pots and how they work, I want one now. Can I just used ground coffee from a can? I like Chock Full O Nuts brand
 
I just looked up Moka Pots and how they work, I want one now. Can I just used ground coffee from a can? I like Chock Full O Nuts brand
Well, I don't know this brand, but as long as they offer ground coffee, it should be okay.

These coffee makers brew some really good coffee in a matter of minutes, and also are a camper's best friend.
The only thing your really want to make sure with them is to pull them off from heat as soon as you hear them gurgling (meaning the water tank is getting empty), otherwise there's a risk of burning the beverage.
 
I'm thinking about upgrading from my Bialetti to an actual espresso machine. My budget is <=$200. Any suggestions? I'm not getting anything with k-cups, capsules, etc. I want to keep using the same beans.

EDIT: I use my Bialetti to make Iced Lattes.
 
I'm thinking about upgrading from my Bialetti to an actual espresso machine. My budget is <=$200. Any suggestions? I'm not getting anything with k-cups, capsules, etc. I want to keep using the same beans.
Unfortunately, there's not much worth buying in that price range. I think the cheapest machines I see recommended are the Gaggia Colour and Gaggia Classic.
 
Can't beat some great coffee, I personally use an Aero press... EASILY much better than the french press and I have had a few...

I have my coffee ordered, roasted and ground fresh on day of despatch, coffee from various countries with some very interesting and unique flavours.

Biggest and most easily overlooked thing with coffee which took me about a year to actually realise as I stubbornly overlooked it and passed it of as nonsensical, 95°C water. Noticed it just after purchasing a fairly decent kettle with all the bells and whistles.....

If it is good coffee...Black, no Sugar....no excuse :)
 
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