H.Cornerstone
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Because someone who have the voice he does is toxic for the gaming community? And it's a forum where topics are discussed?
And disappointed != angry.
Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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Because someone who have the voice he does is toxic for the gaming community? And it's a forum where topics are discussed?
And disappointed != angry.
LordofAllThatIsEvil
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No, it certainly doesn't. I like a nice political give or take. I don't cotton to zealots very much. And that is clearly what Colin is. And he is the worst kind actually. Because he covers up his hatred with a thin veneer of ideology.
I would have more respect for him if he was just honest with who he hates and why.
If you were wondering what kind of value Colin was adding to the channel as of late, just watch the latest part of this week's Gamecast. Colin barely talks, he slurred some banality about various subjects, the same kind you could see on a bad Neogaf or Gamefaqs post, and barely interacted with his cohosts. Keep in mind this was taped before the twitter incident.
Colin was always a weird one to me, sometimes I would listen to him and really enjoy his input, and sometimes he would rub me the wrong by always saying the same things, not challenging himself, basically in auto mode.
The truth is, regardless of anything he's done or doing on his social media, I won't miss him on the team. I'm tired of hearing him talk about video games, it's always the same, and I think him leaving can only mean that the Kinda Funny crew can finally grow.
Colin was always a weird one to me, sometimes I would listen to him and really enjoy his input, and sometimes he would rub me the wrong by always saying the same things, not challenging himself, basically in auto mode.
The truth is, regardless of anything he's done or doing on his social media, I won't miss him on the team. I'm tired of hearing him talk about video games, it's always the same, and I think him leaving can only mean that the Kinda Funny crew can finally grow.
EdibleKnife
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There's a difference between not being who I want him to be and being a person who believes in and actively supports backwards, toxic thinking. Saying "people change" doesn't make it fine for people who change into assholes to get off without being criticized for it. People change and so has the community. It's become less tolerant of bullshit.
I got 91% liberal. We're both leftist garbage. Smh.Cheers, I love taking these kinds of quizzes so I'll see how I get on, and I'll post how so.
edit: Hope this means I'm not authoritarian either
Not sure about that communist figure, but hey, at least Christian Heritage is the lowest lol.
People have every right to be angry at someone for changing into an asshole, especially if that someone is an asshole with an sizeable audience who'll latch onto and defend everything they say and do.
And why is it always on people dissatisfied with bigotry to walk away and not dwell in anger, but the actual bigots themselves get free reign to dwell in the their anger towards minorities? This "peace and love" shit would be more convincing if it was consistently applied to all sides.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Nobody forced him to mix his political commentary with his video game commentary. He's not a victim, and it would be nice if right wing voices would start taking responsibility for what they say and do.
ScientificPizza
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No one is angry that he changed, people are just disappointed at what he's changing in to
A lot of this thread has been a productive conversation about social issues and how they are presented in the way Colin talks and conveys messages. I wouldn't call this thread inherently negative. What *is* negative tho is telling everyone to move on because they're wasting their time because it's not a discussion you think is worth having
Thornton Reed
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dude read my post. I listened to him for years. I felt like i knew him and he's let me down
Sure it is. If they use their position of influence to be shitheads about oppressed groups they aren't suddenly insulated from criticism. Sounds like Colin got all precious that someone dared question "muh free speech" when in reality they are just getting the clapback that all sexist shitheads have been getting for a while. Colin didn't change. The world changed without him.
Edit: Also yeah I know him. I had hundreds of podcast beyond episodes downloaded and listened to each multiple times. So gtfo with this not knowing him crap. No I haven't met the guy personally but all we have to judge public figures on are their public personas.
Have you ever heard of the Constitution our forefathers forged after joining so they wouldn't die in order to fight the taxation of the British?
This whole episode has been interesting to watch and not the least bit surprising. Don't let this guy tell you about how he's a martyr of the sensitive left that can't take a joke. He is more touchy than anyone. Not that long ago, I tweeted about that infamous 'Vita will succeed' article he did and got this response. He didn't follow me so he must have been scanning Twitter for comments about himself too. https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/841381551023804420
SerTapTap
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Are you seriously pulling the same garbage your friend Colin pulls? It's only freedom of speech when *I* have an objectionable opinion, it's evil liebrul hatred when you do it?
I've read the constitution many times, and a decent amount of free speech law. This is the first I'm hearing of the "Lack of right to be angry at one for changing". What's the docket number for the case that set this precedent?
In relation to future KF content, I feel Colin leaving will take a large hit.
Greg & Tim agree too much, it makes for, frankly, boring content.
Nick is barely on screen because he's not a gamer.
Colin was there to bring everyone to ground level, and in most cases, offer a polarising opinion, which in turn, makes for interesting content. His injection of data and statistics also gave their videos a more critical outlook.
Colin is effectively what keeps me watching their videos, but I'll see how they cope with him gone.
Greg & Tim agree too much, it makes for, frankly, boring content.
Nick is barely on screen because he's not a gamer.
Colin was there to bring everyone to ground level, and in most cases, offer a polarising opinion, which in turn, makes for interesting content. His injection of data and statistics also gave their videos a more critical outlook.
Colin is effectively what keeps me watching their videos, but I'll see how they cope with him gone.
H.Cornerstone
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hahaha, that is great and Absolutely Savage.
ScientificPizza
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This is like comically thin skinned holy shit
Now THAT'S funny. And a little sad.
I'm in the same boat. I'm a fan of the content he's produced with Greg over the years, and I think he can resonate with me quite a bit sometimes. But then he goes and does things like that. It's like there's 2 Colins, and I like one better than the other one.
Audioboxer
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I got 91% liberal. We're both leftist garbage. Smh.
Polls will always end up that way for me as I'm very pro-individual rights. As long as you aren't hurting someone else you should be able to do a lot to "yourself". Whether it's think how you like, do what you want with your body, smoke and drink what you want (although I do support Government raising education around addiction and health, just not banning), and on issues like marriage and abortion, again, do what makes you happy.
In that sense, I support small government. I don't really think moral busy bodies in charge should be policing what you do in your bedroom, what hobbies and interests you like, what you find funny, who you want to listen to or watch/debate with/share with, or what you want to read/study/play, etc. I guess due to that being the way I view government it spills over to citizens, as in, I find it challenging when citizens want to be moral busy bodies and authoritarian and not just debate, but almost by force, get you to conform or change or they'll campaign to make every waking second of your life hell. I see that in the Christian-right/right in general, so it frustrating to see small sects of the left adopt that approach. Battling of ideas and opinions should really just be done out in the open, with passionate arguments and debates, but ultimately a thin veil of respect where if you cannot get someone to see your way, you can shake hands and walk away. Or hey, even still remain friends!! When it's all or nothing, your blood or my blood, it can get very vicious and you wonder how humanity is going to end up.
Because if we're talking problematic views, individuals holding them is disheartening, but it's not on the level of government holding them and being able to change policy and law. That's why I agree in multiple posts earlier right wing authoritarians in government are far more worrying than people on the internet, message boards or in your friend circles telling you-you better stop doing x/listening to x/watching x or believing x or else, watch how we'll ruin you. That can be upsetting to see, but it's nowhere in the realm of an authoritarian government managing to nuke rights and individual freedoms for millions in some pen strokes.
Other liberal things in that poll were probably around health care, education, immigration, drugs, and some prisoner rights (but not all, I did say they shouldn't be able to vote). Health care, social care and education, I do think is one major thing(s) a government should be involved in. Tax payer money is best spent reinvesting into the community and helping people prosper, not on wars, weapons of mass destruction and privatisation. As in how can the government and its cronies make money out of prisons/schools/health care, and how can they make money out of selling arms or running off into illegal wars (mostly for oil).
So yeah, mostly small government, besides on social issues, and very high individual freedoms (as long as no one is getting physically hurt), and that's how I roll.
Bolivar687
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Anyone denying this after the election is beyond delusional.
I disagree. Running up to his departure, we had Colin Was Right, which, regardless if you agree with his conclusions, were thoroughly researched and clearly argued. When gaming personalities chime in on this event, almost all of them mention Colin's reputation in the industry as an incredibly hard working and knowledgeable voice in games, one of the very few who did real journalism at IGN and was just starting to do so again at Kinda Funny. His interviews likewise broached interesting topics with fascinating guests.
I'm sorry but you can't say he wasn't contributing much to the channel anymore. If anything, he had its most compelling content.
The Salt Life
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What is your suggestion? People lose their right to voice their opinion on the internet?
A lot of people that go "eh it's fine" probably say that because compared to other problems they have in their life, that's nothing to get worked up over. Everyone is different, as this thread has shown.
Edit: nvm, you made an observation not a statement saying it should be changed.
ScientificPizza
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leaning towards one side of a two party system = echo chamber
I think he meant how people thought it would be impossible for Trump to win.
Not wanting a racist to win and rooting for the other candidate=echo chamber???
Black sheep statistical anomalies that threw off polling and even still she won the popular vote. Hardly an echo chamber.
I thought he seemed like quite a smart guy around that time and had grown to respect him somewhat. I had only recently discovered his content, but after having a couple of exchanges with him like this in which he came off as deeply insecure and thin-skinned, it totally put me off him and alienated me from Kinda Funny. I'll be glad to see him go. The other guys there are cool.
Inferno313
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That's the furthest fucking thing from a GAF-exclusive problem.
Literally every poll and study was showing Hillary with a 90%+ chance of winning. If that's what it takes to be an "echo chamber" than the majority of the country was an echo chamber. My experience is that even many Trump supporters were surprised by their win.
Bolivar687
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If you think this forum merely leans to one side of a two party system, you definitely have not been to OT.
When the results startes rolling in on election night, people were getting banned because they were calling for white people to have their rights revoked and killed.
Pyroclastic
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Yikes. Can't imagine what a 100 page thread would do to one's ego, mostly negative or not.
Wouldn't evidence of the echo chamber be those people not being banned? Or did you just disprove your point?
Edit: Regardless, enough of this derail.
ScientificPizza
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that still does not make gaf an echo chamber when that was the prevailing thought amongst all non-trump supporters
echo chamber gets thrown around far too loosely now. this thread is not an echo chamber as people have had conflicting views about this from page 1
and gaf as a whole is *definitely* not an echo chamber. anyone who says it is just doesn't know what an echo chamber is
I've not followed Colin's career very closely at all but every time I've ever watched him he always came across as a fake tough guy who sold that shit really easily when surrounded by a bunch of self proclaimed dorks. Everything I'm reading now about his "views" don't really shock me if you've ever been to Long Island.
Adam_Vania
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reality: some guy whose job it is to appeal to the public fucked up at his job.
don't see how this is crazy in any ways. if you act like a jerk at work, it's not good for you. this is true whether you work in media or whether you flip burgers.
ScientificPizza
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sure, people were angry and hyperbolic about the election here, i'm not denying that. the mere fact that people were banned because of it should prove to you that this isn't an echo chamber
Yh I was trying to think of where he was coming from and that is the first thing I thought of. I dont think gaf is a echo chamber, gaf just leans heavily to the left because we have so many posters from around the world and diverse backgrounds.
EdibleKnife
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Don't even need to qualify "non-Trump supporters" because fellow conservatives thought a Trump presidency was a joke. People who cow-tow to him now in the Republican Party weren't afraid to insult him before
SenseOffender
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Eh, you deserved that one.
For what? Bringing up something he wrote? That article is really funny to read in retrospect.
Ninja Scooter
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Ninja Scooter
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As opposed to what? The crazy "I stand with Colin" twitter contigent? That's not an echo chamber? The Colin/KF cultists? They're not an echo chamber? People's twitter/Facebook accounts where they naturally gravitate towards like minded individuals and block/dismiss those who disagree them? Those aren't echo chambers? Newsflash: the Internet can be an echo chamber if you want it to be, and id wager for most people that's exactly what it is.
ScientificPizza
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Like do they not see the irony in accusing us of being an echo chamber because we have a different take on this than other sites discussing it?
lol...
The Salt Life
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I'm from Long Island, it's a very racist area of the country, Colin doesn't come close to the shit you hear from people here. At least he is for diversity(doesn't make the situation any better), probably because the school district he went to, he was the minority, which is why he probably related to Howard Stern and why he thinks he can get away with the stuff Howard Stern did (though he didn't exactly get away with it either). Problem is he is not Howard Stern, he is a guy on a video game podcast, and that does not make you immune to criticism in a industry/community that's actively trying to better itself and improve its image. He made his bed, he will have to lay in it and decide what to do with it. Right now he needs to move out this industry because he was....Whether he knows it or not, kicked out of it.
Edit : GAF is far from a echo chamber, if it was half these threads wouldn't be 100+ pages long. Mods do their job the best they could but they expect us to at least act civilised to each other.
jobrro
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Wow. Really antagonistic start to an FAQ.
Maybe don't put your primary e-mail on there if that will be an issue.
Also really appreciate Lime's post about 10 pages back. As a non-follower, put this guy into perspective, thanks.
Bolivar687
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I do not follow your logic. The bans reflect the quality of moderation. The comments reflect the character of the community.
In my experience, all of those places have much wider range of opinions than NeoGAF. People here are claiming Colin has made, and I quote, "blatantly" racist comments, without providing any evidence that could remotely satisfy the definition of blatant. A lot of people around the Internet are talking about this and yet NeoGAF is the only place (except for the Twitter accounts and blogs of professional game journalists like Arthur Gies) where anyone is making such forceful condemnations, let alone writing short essays about it and patting eachother on the back for doing so.
When the rhetoric here is so extreme, with so little evidence, and so far out of line with the rest of the discussion, I call that an echo chamber.
I can use a euphemism if you'd prefer.
He wrote this in 2012 so I guess he never learned anything new in the last 5 years, even while women were chased out of the industry because of gamer bigots shitting the bed.
Raven117
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Ive said it before and will say it again, this has truly been an interesting development to watch here on NeoGaf.
As for the content. I always did like Colin's contribution when speaking critically about games. He was serious minded, and looked at games critically. The dynamic played well off of Greg's "larger than life" personality.
I do think his presence will be missed until KF can adapt.
As for his political views. Welp...He left KF, probably going to leave the gaming community (at least in a significant way), and will do stuff more along the political lines.
That's really the end of the story as far as I'm concerned.
As for the content. I always did like Colin's contribution when speaking critically about games. He was serious minded, and looked at games critically. The dynamic played well off of Greg's "larger than life" personality.
I do think his presence will be missed until KF can adapt.
As for his political views. Welp...He left KF, probably going to leave the gaming community (at least in a significant way), and will do stuff more along the political lines.
That's really the end of the story as far as I'm concerned.
Your point is that a majority of posters were calling for white people to have their rights revoked and killed?
Can someone catch me up on what else he's said? I stayed away from this thread because I felt there wasn't anything to discuss about his departure because it's done.
Anyway, from watching/listening/reading his work for year, I at the very least respected him because I could sympathize although disagree(on games as well) with what seemed to be a fiscal conservative/small government viewpoint but at least a more liberal stance on social issues. Another gaffer alerted me on Twitter when he made his shitty joke on #ADayWithoutWomen and told me that he doubled down on it when I asked if he had apologized yet. It wasn't surprising to me that he doubled down because I felt like he was the type that complains about people being outraged and there is also a lot of arrogance there. I'm disappointed in him but that's fine and I'll wish him the best of luck either way.
As for KindaFunny, Colin is a big loss for them even though Greg has always been the most popular one. I do kind of feel for Greg(and everyone else) because I know this is/was hard on him and I hope he is able to understand both sides of the whole ordeal not feel bitter.
In the end, I won't continue to follow him from now on but I wish him no ill will.
Anyway, from watching/listening/reading his work for year, I at the very least respected him because I could sympathize although disagree(on games as well) with what seemed to be a fiscal conservative/small government viewpoint but at least a more liberal stance on social issues. Another gaffer alerted me on Twitter when he made his shitty joke on #ADayWithoutWomen and told me that he doubled down on it when I asked if he had apologized yet. It wasn't surprising to me that he doubled down because I felt like he was the type that complains about people being outraged and there is also a lot of arrogance there. I'm disappointed in him but that's fine and I'll wish him the best of luck either way.
As for KindaFunny, Colin is a big loss for them even though Greg has always been the most popular one. I do kind of feel for Greg(and everyone else) because I know this is/was hard on him and I hope he is able to understand both sides of the whole ordeal not feel bitter.
In the end, I won't continue to follow him from now on but I wish him no ill will.
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