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College Football Week 13 - Sparty ain't worried 'bout no clock
- Thread starter Randolph Freelander
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I sit here wondering, what happens if:
Penn State beats MSUn
Nebraska beats Iowa
Michigan beats OSUn
Iowa beats Michigan/whomever in Indy
Okie State beats OU
TCU beats Baylor
Stanford beats ND
Oregon? beats Stanford in CCG
Who the fuck gets in
To make Armageddon happen, toss in USCe/Sakerlina or UNC beating Clemson and 2 loss Florida beating Alabama.
Does the 4 become something like this:
FSU
UNC
Navy
Northwestern
Or is it enough bullshit to happen to cause teams to literally stay in place with a loss
Penn State beats MSUn
Nebraska beats Iowa
Michigan beats OSUn
Iowa beats Michigan/whomever in Indy
Okie State beats OU
TCU beats Baylor
Stanford beats ND
Oregon? beats Stanford in CCG
Who the fuck gets in
To make Armageddon happen, toss in USCe/Sakerlina or UNC beating Clemson and 2 loss Florida beating Alabama.
Does the 4 become something like this:
FSU
UNC
Navy
Northwestern
Or is it enough bullshit to happen to cause teams to literally stay in place with a loss
Affeinvasion
Member
Probably you would have Conference champions getting first priority. But who knows since the committee has no real metric for picking teams and their analysis of what constitutes a good win changes from week to week. Did Purdue suddenly become the catalyst to show us that Iowa is for real?
For FSU to have even a remote shot at getting in, UNC would have to lose to NCSt, Clemson lose to USCe, and then lose to UNC. Along with all the other stuff you posted.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Les not rule out LSU
Frustrated_Grunt
Member
If Navy can get in the playoffs, it proves that the new system works.
May as well post it in both.
Friday
(15) Navy v. Houston by 7
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 10 don't care as long as WMU loses
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 6
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 4 with a last second touchdown.
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 30
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 10 cause screw Baylor
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 7
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 21
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 14
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 10
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 10
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 24
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 7 cause lol
(22) UCLA v. USC by 4
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 4
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 10
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 7
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 6
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by 10
Friday
(15) Navy v. Houston by 7
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 10 don't care as long as WMU loses
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 6
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 4 with a last second touchdown.
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 30
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 10 cause screw Baylor
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 7
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 21
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 14
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 10
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 10
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 24
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 7 cause lol
(22) UCLA v. USC by 4
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 4
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 10
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 7
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 6
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by 10
theprodigy
Member
well assuming all this happens (btw maximum chaos is Michigan beating Iowa, not the other way around, also includes both UNC/Clemson losing their last regular season games):
1 loss Oklahoma State
1 loss Iowa
are basically locks
then you have
1 loss UNC (probably in)
2 loss Florida
2 loss Notre Dame
infinity loss Pac-12 champ (out)
GoldenEye 007
Member
If Navy runs the table and doesn't get into the playoff, it clearly means the committee is anti-American.
Affeinvasion
Member
I do think their QB should be invited to New York for the Heisman ceremony.
Frustrated_Grunt
Member
Friday
(15) Navy v. Houston by 13
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 10
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 7
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 4
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 11
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 17
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan 13
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 15
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 12
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 9
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 4
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 4
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 22
(22) UCLA v. USC by 4
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 4
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 4
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 7
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 4
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State 6
(15) Navy v. Houston by 13
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 10
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 7
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 4
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 11
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 17
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan 13
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 15
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 12
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 9
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 4
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 4
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 22
(22) UCLA v. USC by 4
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 4
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 4
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 7
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 4
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State 6
Has Nebraska redeemed themselves enough to not be an albatross loss, hanging on Iowa's neck?
Florida's right now at 12, with the 2nd loss being this weekend against 13th FSU. Wouldn't that put them damn near the bottom of the 25? Now throw in MSUs beating Ole Miss, AU beating Alabama (winning tie breaker puts Alabama in Atlanta) Both SEC teams going in with 2 losses. At that point, don't think it matters.
Somewhere in this, LSU wins everything, right?
I'll carry this convo into this topic:
Alabama's schedule is loaded with teams between 25-37, where most teams schedules drops off way, way back. Playing 9 FBS teams with winning records, compared to ND's 5, Clemson's/OU's/MSUn's 6 and Iowa's 3.
I also don't care how good the stats are on BC's defense. They are 3-8, dead last in the ACC. If Alabama looks terrible and squeeks out a win against Auburn, I now expect them to be outside the top 4, and hoping that Florida beats FSU, to have one last shot to win against a "ranked" team (even one as dead fishy as they are right now)
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Friday
(15) Navy v. Houston by 4
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 31
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 12
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 5
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 38
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 18
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 6
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 29
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 9
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 8
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 3
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 18
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 360
(22) UCLA v. USC by 8
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 12
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 3
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 15
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 12
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by 16
(15) Navy v. Houston by 4
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 31
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 12
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 5
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 38
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 18
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 6
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 29
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 9
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 8
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 3
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 18
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 360
(22) UCLA v. USC by 8
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 12
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 3
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 15
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 12
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by 16
They just don't care about "best loss" in a way I feel they should. But I am fine with punishing schools for bad wins. NDU was really bad against BC
Randolph Freelander
Member
Affeinvasion
Member
There are no 25-37 based on the only rankings that matter which are the playoff committee's...and it's not like the AP poll or any other poll is a great metric for determining any team below 25 either...and no argument will ever wash away the shame that teams like Alabama should have playing teams like College of Charleston the week before their rivalry game.
Based only on the CFP rankings Iowa has a better resume than Alabama, and Oklahoma definitely does. Alabama lost at home and it wasn't close. Nobody else in the top 6 did that, though Oklahoma has the worst loss by far.
perfectchaos007
Member
(15) Navy v. Houston by 4
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 4
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 7
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 4
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 28
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 4
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 4
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 17
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 18
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 9
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 10
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 7
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 14
(22) UCLA v. USC by 10
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 14
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 10
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 17
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 4
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by7
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 4
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 7
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 4
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 28
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 4
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 4
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 17
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 18
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 9
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 10
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 7
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 14
(22) UCLA v. USC by 10
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 14
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 10
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 17
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 4
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by7
theprodigy
Member
well, Iowa would be a 1-loss conference champ, one of three? in this scenario, so it would be hard to see them out of the playoff
personally the most hilarious scenario, one that isn't even necessarily full #TeamChaos, is the following:
UNC loses, then beats Clemson (who doesn't Clemson and lose to South Carolina, leaving them with only 1 loss at the end)
Stanford beats Notre Dame and wins the Pac-12
Florida loses to Florida State, then beats Alabama
since the Big 12 champ is guaranteed to have only one loss, Baylor also beats TCU, leaving two 1-loss Big 12 teams
Michigan beats an undefeated Iowa in the Big Ten championship game
oh and I guess Navy wins out just to add a little more spice to this
then you'd have, as the conference winners:
1 loss Oklahoma or Baylor
2 loss Michigan
2 loss Stanford
2 loss UNC
2 loss Florida
in addition, you'd have:
1 loss Baylor or Oklahoma State
1 loss Iowa
1 loss Clemson
1 loss Navy
2 loss Notre Dame
2 loss Alabama
2 loss Florida State
2 loss Michigan State and Ohio State
have fun committee!
Then basically football is a 1 or 2 game regular season, nothing else means shit.
Hey, it's not like Alabama started the season with teams that ended up 4-6, 4-7 and 3-8. That's ND. (Alabama started with 8-3, 6-5, 8-3). Got to get a cupcake in there somewhere, and if there are no games that matter beyond 1 or 2 games, why bother playing anyone!
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Alabama played super sloppy and gave up 5 turnovers but Ole Miss still needed a miracle TD and a missed penalty on a long TD play to win that game. The score started getting out of hand in the 3rd quarter, but as a 60 minute game I don't agree that it wasn't close.
Affeinvasion
Member
First you're making the mistake of only comparing Alabama to ND. ND shouldn't be anywhere near #2. I'm not making that argument, nor would any other sane person. But what makes Alabama's resume better than teams 3-6? You point to win totals as if that's meaningful. Charleston Southern has 9 wins but I know you aren't going to include that in your spurious "win total of opponents" metric. That 8-3, 6-5, and 8-3 that you've touted include a Conference USA team, a loss at home, and Wisconsin. What is Alabama's second best win, or their third? Georgia doesn't look great, A&M fell off the planet, ditto for LSU. Michigan state has three wins against the CFP top 25 and their lone loss was on the road by one point. There also aren't any FCS teams on their schedule. What's the deciding factor here?
I know that people get sick of SEC SEC SEC, but winning the SECW is the hardest thing to do in CFB. If asked for proof I guess I would point to the NFL draft every year
And I don't know to what extent, if at all, that the committee uses computers. But every computer ranking has Oklahoma and Alabama in the top 3.
Affeinvasion
Member
The phrase "miracle TD" kind of misses the fact that Alabama never led in that game and was only even ever tied in the first quarter at 3-3. A ton of turnovers shouldn't magically alleviate a loss at home to a team that shouldn't win there. Ole Miss themselves are over ranked because of that win at Alabama. They've lost to Memphis and Arkansas (and Florida which is understandable).
Having the most number of good players doesn't necessarily mean you're the best team (though I definitely see your point) and doesn't explain why there are 4 BIG teams in the top 10. My problem is that it is almost impossible to understand the committee's reasoning when they say things like Oklahoma's win against Tennessee was really good because it was so loud. Not to mention that the voting system itself is bizarre and they've had people drop out every year. Apparently this week there were only 11 people voting because one person was sick. It's just such a weird system. At least with the BCS you could point to the computers and say (like you have here) "oh that's what all the computers are saying too." We have no idea if the committee is using those computer rankings or not. That bothers me.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I didn't say it was a good loss or that it should be alleviated, I disagreed that the game wasn't close. Ole Miss required two lucky breaks with a value of 14 points to finish the game with a one score lead. I don't see how a game with that description "wasn't close."
Affeinvasion
Member
You're right. It was a one score game. I was mainly remembering how one-sided it was for most of the game watching it live with all of the turnovers. I still think Alabama shit the bed against a not great team at home.
No, I didn't include FCS teams in the listings.
Crazy thing is:
Georgia is 8-3
A&M is 8-3
LSU is 7-3
Oregon is 8-3
There's a shitload of 3 loss teams, with shitloads of good and bad, wins and losses. Everything past the top 15 becomes a bit washy.
My other point of starting with Wincy and Ole Miss are: They were obviously lose-able games in the first 3 weeks, where ND had to go to week 5 to face a lose-able game in Clemson.
Wincy got fucked by the refs against Northwestern
Iowa and Clemson have played FCS teams, if that is some sort of unconscionable event.
Looking out how their schedules break out:
Iowa played Maryland and Indiana, bottom tier of the B1G east
Michigan and OSUn haven't played each other yet
OSUn played Illinois and Minnesota, bottom tier of the B1G west
Michigan played Northwestern, a top tier of the east and Minnesota, bottom tier
Michigan State played Purdue and Nebraska, both bottom tier of the West and lost to Nebraska (5-6)
Basically, the teams at the top of both sides, avoided each other, except for Michigan vs Northwestern. B1G's got 7 teams with losing records and the SEC has 4. SEC has a parity problem.
Affeinvasion
Member
No, I didn't include FCS teams in the listings.
Crazy thing is:
Georgia is 8-3
A&M is 8-3
LSU is 7-3
Oregon is 8-3
There's a shitload of 3 loss teams, with shitloads of good and bad, wins and losses. Everything past the top 15 becomes a bit washy.
My other point of starting with Wincy and Ole Miss are: They were obviously lose-able games in the first 3 weeks, where ND had to go to week 5 to face a lose-able game in Clemson.
Wincy got fucked by the refs against Northwestern
Iowa and Clemson have played FCS teams, if that is some sort of unconscionable event.
I think it is for Iowa. Their schedule is baaaad. I mean look at it. It's putrid.
And to be fair, scheduling Texas and last year's ACC Coastal champion with another P5 team in the first three games is pretty impressive and arguably more impressive on paper than Wisc, MTenn, and Ole Miss. It's sort of bad luck that both Texas and Georgia Tech are unmitigated disasters this year from that perspective.
Texas has been in shambles for a while, with little signs of improving. They've had almost constant hot seat talk this year.
Virginia hasn't had a winning season since 2011. Was Colorado busy?
GT won a horrible division after being 7-6 the year before. No one on that side is dependable to be good the following year.
By that mark, Wincy won their division last year and was 9-4 the year before (3rd in the division).
It's bad luck for UGA to have their offense blow a knee, but they've limped onto an 8-3 record.
I don't even want to talk up Tennessee, but they had late game leads on OU, Alabama and Florida, and lost all of them.
I'm just happy that Arkansas is the best 5 loss team out there, beating LSU and Ole Miss (and providing a shot to go to Atlanta)
timetokill
Banned
The rules this week seem pretty fantastic, I have to say.
Friday
(15) Navy v. Houston by 11
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 28
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 10
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 8
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 41
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 4
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 7
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 17
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 7
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 13
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 17
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 20
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 17
(22) UCLA v. USC by 4
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 4
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 14
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 4
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 7
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by 10
Friday
(15) Navy v. Houston by 11
Western Michigan v. (24) Toledo by 28
(20) Wazzou v. Washington by 10
(4) Iowa v. Nebraska by 8
Oregon State v. (17) Oregon by 41
(7) Baylor v. (19) TCU by 4
Saturday
(8) Ohio State v. (10) Michigan by 7
(1) Clemson v. SCAR by 17
Colorado v. (23) Utah by 7
Penn State v. (5) Michigan State by 13
(16) Northwestern v. Illinois by 17
(14) UNC v. NCSU by 20
(2) Alabama v. Auburn by 17
(22) UCLA v. USC by 4
Connecticut v. (25) Temple by 4
(18) Mississippi v. (21) Mississippi State by 14
(13) Florida State v. (12) Florida by 4
(6) Notre Dame v. (9) Stanford by 7
(3) Oklahoma v. (11) Oklahoma State by 10
Um. I love beaver.
Squirrel Killer
Member
Another way to put is is "Iowa's schedule has 6 teams that are already bowl-eligible or that can become eligible this weekend, plus the 2-seeded FCS team." Or as Sagarin would rate it, "average." *
HalfBakedProphet
Member
Save this shitshow season and ruin Iowa's perfect run.
Nebraska pls. PLS
Nebraska pls. PLS
FloydtheFathead
Member
Leave it to Beaver?
Squirrel Killer
Member
bucknuticus
Member
Unsure of how people know of this tradition outside of CBUS, but Michigan week students go down to Mirror Lake on campus (aka a small pond) and jump in it, see below:
Its a great time if youre into catching diseases. Saw on thew news this morning some guy was pulled out of the lake in cardiac arrest, which is a bummer.
Theyve tried cracking down on it by putting fences around it and making people wear wristbands but the students just tear down the fences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pBo00lJMw
White people!
edit: and he has passed away, they still have not identified him
Its a great time if youre into catching diseases. Saw on thew news this morning some guy was pulled out of the lake in cardiac arrest, which is a bummer.
Theyve tried cracking down on it by putting fences around it and making people wear wristbands but the students just tear down the fences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pBo00lJMw
White people!
edit: and he has passed away, they still have not identified him
Sirpopopop
Member
Seriously folks.
Why aren't more of you happy that a good man, Kyle Flood, is staying at Rutgers and said no to USC/LSU?
Why aren't more of you happy that a good man, Kyle Flood, is staying at Rutgers and said no to USC/LSU?
Always thought that was a cool tradition, if a bit disgusting (I was reading elsewhere the chemical composition of that lake is.... not good to say the least).
Cardiac arrest though? Wow.
BertramCooper
Banned
I think this will be the official end of Mirror Lake "baptisms."
Pretty sure the university will take a zero-tolerance approach from this point forward.
I've always hated the Mirror Lake jump and never participated in it. I can't support a tradition that's both a massive safety hazard (I know multiple people who have been hurt during it) and profoundly disrespectful to a beloved campus landmark. It always pissed me off to walk by Mirror Lake the day after the jump and see it transformed into a putrid dump.
bucknuticus
Member
I jumped my sophmore year and that was it, would always go and watch every year though