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[KingGondo]

If we would have stolen FSU and Clemson in the summer, no way ND joins the ACC. ND wasn't going to stay in the Big East either. They hate the B1G.

I think not expanding was short sighted.

Agreed. The Big 12 is still in good shape, but we're no longer in a position with leverage.

Bowlsby was probably counting on ND joining so he could then pursue FSU and Clemson as full members.

I wonder if the Champions Bowl 12-team stipulation will force us to add Louisville and Cincy now.

 

[zyxwvu4321]

Agreed. The Big 12 is still in good shape, but we're no longer in a position with leverage.

Bowlsby was probably counting on ND joining so he could then pursue FSU and Clemson as full members.

I wonder if the Champions Bowl 12-team stipulation will force us to add Louisville and Cincy now.

I'd say DeLoss Dodds is the biggest culprit. He was so hot and bothered about getting ND that it kinda squashed any other pushes the conference might have wanted to take.

 

[andycapps]

Education Quest named Georgia Tech, the University of Florida, the University of North Carolina, the University of Wisconsin, the University of Georgia, and Virginia Tech as "Public Ivy" schools.

Spoiler

Hope you liked my Oxford comma

How do they calculate that?

Nachbar said he has specific standards for a school to be considered a Public Ivy. For example, schools must have a six-year graduation rate of no less than 75 percent and a freshman retention rate of no less than 90 percent.

Affordability is also an important component in making the list. For the schools, in-state tuition should be no higher than one-third that of the least expensive Ivy League school, and out-of-state tuition and mandatory fees should be no higher than two-thirds that of the most expensive Ivy League school.

 

[GodfatherX]

I wonder if ACC is going to add another team, at least in the other sports, to go to 16. Maybe they'll try to get Nova or GTown or something now.

i'm willing to bet they pick up a non football school, likely Nova

the great news about this is the Big 12 was rumored to be waiting on ND as their primary target for expansion. Now with them out of the equation, and the increased buyout of 50 million, looks less and less likely that FSU or any other ACC team will be leaving. This likely puts Louisville at the top of the board, not sure who would be 2nd, and Big 12 needing 12 teams and a conference championship game by the 2012 season. Not going to say its in the books, thought that last year then WVU got the spot, but for the first time since then things are looking up for us in this whole conference expansion mess.

 

[KingGondo]

Yeah, the list of potential targets for the Big 12 is now pretty short (unless FSU is determined to leave and challenges the new exit fee structure).

Louisville
Cincinnati
USF (unlikely)
BYU (not gonna happen, it was already considered)

Then we get into some pretty sad territory such as considering Colorado State, New Mexico, and the like.

 

[Draxal]

Yeah, the list of potential targets for the Big 12 is now pretty short (unless FSU is determined to leave and challenges the new exit fee structure).

Louisville
Cincinnati
USF (unlikely)
BYU (not gonna happen, it was already considered)

Then we get into some pretty sad territory such as considering Colorado State, New Mexico, and the like.

Temple imho.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

I was talking with a friend about what ND going to the ACC means about the 4 games we have scheduled for them means, and I am wondering: How are OOC TV rights figured out?

Are they covered under the home team's conference contract, or are they negotiated separately?

 

[truly101]

If the ACC targets a 16th, it will be Rutgers or UConn. I'd take UConn myself. Natural BBall rival, has been competitive in football, decent academics. From what I understand, the only reason the ACC has balked on UConn is Jim Calhoun is reviled. Don't know if that is true, but he's close to retirement regardless.

I guess the ND thing can work for the ACC is one of the 5 games is besides BC. ND has historical rivalries with FSU, The U and GT. They'd sell out VT, NCSU and Clemson in a heartbeat. If UNC, Duke and UVA can maintain (or achieve in Duke's case) some level of football competitiveness, you'd have a good rivalry there of fanbases who think their shit smells better than everyone elses.

I could see ND become closer to a full football member, but they want to keep their big games with USC, Navy, MSU and Michigan. I heard the Michigan game is going on hiatus so it could work for everyone.

 

[KingGondo]

Temple imho.

:-|

 

[zyxwvu4321]

Is the $50mil confirmed effective immediately? Everyone is talking as though it is, but I've not seen that definitively.

 

[Draxal]

Seriously, though if the ACC is going to take a basketball only from the Big East, it has to be St. John's. Getting the team that plays at MSG is huge.

 

[truly101]

Lets be honest here.

They wanted to see how many white guys they could put on the floor at one time in a Notre Dame vs. Duke bball matchup.

Slam dunk contest on 9 foot goals baby.

I forgot how if you have 2-3 white players that play regularly, you are a white team. All our black players are Uncle Toms that come from Huxtable families. There's no violation with Lance Thomas, he's rich you fuckers.

 

[truly101]

Seriously, though if the ACC is going to take a basketball only from the Big East, it has to be St. John's. Getting the team that plays at MSG is huge.

They already one of those.

 

[mre]

I was talking with a friend about what ND going to the ACC means about the 4 games we have scheduled for them means, and I am wondering: How are OOC TV rights figured out?

Are they covered under the home team's conference contract, or are they negotiated separately?

Usually the home team's contract prevails, unless their contract to play stipulates differently.

 

[KingGondo]

This is the new normal, Big 12 brethren.

 

[Affeinvasion]

TV won't be any different. ND still will have home games on NBC. Away games at ACC will probably actually get more exposure on ESPN.

 

[JCX]

Yeah, the list of potential targets for the Big 12 is now pretty short (unless FSU is determined to leave and challenges the new exit fee structure).

Louisville
Cincinnati
USF (unlikely)
BYU (not gonna happen, it was already considered)

Then we get into some pretty sad territory such as considering Colorado State, New Mexico, and the like.

Is Boise off the table for some reason?

 

[squicken]

Am I a bad person for wishing the Big 12 would have added them?

It's mainly because now the odds of the Big 12 adding FSU and ACC School X are slim.

I also would have greatly enjoyed beating ND's ass in Stillwater.

UT wanted ND under the exact same deal they got with the ACC. I think the 4 super-conference thing is dead. Both Big 12 and ACC are now viable

 

[Draxal]

Is Boise off the table for some reason?

Well, distance blows, their market blows. Expansion isn't really about football, (I mean look at all the records of the teams switching conferencese recently except WV), it's all about potential eyeballs their markets brings, or if they can bring eyeballs to the already existing markets (B12's a good conference they really don't need a good team in a bad market).

 

[KingGondo]

Is Boise off the table for some reason?

They're a sexy pick in football, but don't bring much else to the table. Who knows what the Big 12 powers that be are thinking now.

Gun to my head I take Louisville and Cincy.

 

[Gamecocks625]

Does anyone know when the new $50 million exit fee goes into effect?

Wondering if there's still time to convince FSU and Clemson that they should be in a football conference.

No way Dabo would want Clemson to leave the ACC. They can have their cupcakes and eat them too in the ACC for years to come.

 

[MightyHealthy]

i'm willing to bet they pick up a non football school, likely Nova

the great news about this is the Big 12 was rumored to be waiting on ND as their primary target for expansion. Now with them out of the equation, and the increased buyout of 50 million, looks less and less likely that FSU or any other ACC team will be leaving. This likely puts Louisville at the top of the board, not sure who would be 2nd, and Big 12 needing 12 teams and a conference championship game by the 2012 season. Not going to say its in the books, thought that last year then WVU got the spot, but for the first time since then things are looking up for us in this whole conference expansion mess.

I would absolutely love it if Cincy joined us in moving to the Big 12...

 

[alstein]

i'm willing to bet they pick up a non football school, likely Nova

the great news about this is the Big 12 was rumored to be waiting on ND as their primary target for expansion. Now with them out of the equation, and the increased buyout of 50 million, looks less and less likely that FSU or any other ACC team will be leaving. This likely puts Louisville at the top of the board, not sure who would be 2nd, and Big 12 needing 12 teams and a conference championship game by the 2012 season. Not going to say its in the books, thought that last year then WVU got the spot, but for the first time since then things are looking up for us in this whole conference expansion mess.

My guess is Swofford is beating ND loses its special rules at some point, then you add the 16th school as ND is forced to join fully.

Swofford only good when it comes to being scuzzy.

I do think we end up with 5 14 or 16-team leagues, and eventually from this an 8-team playoff.

 

[Nesotenso]

They're a sexy pick in football, but don't bring much else to the table. Who knows what the Big 12 powers that be are thinking now.

Gun to my head I take Louisville and Cincy.

Like you said should have pushed for FSU, VT or Clemson when the opportunity presented itself. This we are happy with 10 BS is stupid. A wider footprint gives you leverage to negotiate more lucrative TV deals.
How does staying at 10 affect the Champions Bowl ? is that still on ?

 

[tokkun]

(THU) Rutgers @ South Florida by 7
Wake Forest @ Florida State by 21
California @ Ohio State by 17
Arkansas State @ Nebraska by 17
Louisiana-Monroe @ Auburn by 10
Virginia @ Georgia Tech by 7
Boston College @ Northwestern by 6
Navy @ Penn State by 4
Florida @ Tennessee by 7
Arizona State @ Missouri by 4
USC @ Stanford by 13
Notre Dame @ Michigan State by 7
Texas @ Ole Miss by 11
Colorado @ Fresno State by 11
BYU @ Utah by 7

 

[Draxal]

Welp, Rutgers to Sec is being discussed on the Rutgers Rivals board again, our fans are desperate.

 

[KingGondo]

Like you said should have pushed for FSU, VT or Clemson when the opportunity presented itself. This we are happy with 10 BS is stupid. A wider footprint gives you leverage to negotiate more lucrative TV deals.
How does staying at 10 affect the Champions Bowl ? is that still on ?

Still waiting to hear definitively on that, and also whether the $50 million ACC exit fee is set in stone. I didn't know the league office could unilaterally change the amount like that.

Even with that fee, it might still be worth pursuing FSU and splitting the cost between the current schools over a period of several years.

 

[Cyan]

Oh man, that'd be hilarious if the Big Twelve got stuck with two C-USA schools after all their big talk.

Almost as hilarious as andycapp's list of public ivies.

 

[Draxal]

Pac 12/Sec are in really bad spots for expanding, as the Big 12/ACC have really protected themselves well. The only teams ripe for the picking are in the Northeast.

 

[KingGondo]

@McMurphyESPN: Notre Dame also could increase ACC's media rights from $17M per school to b/w $18M-$19M per school, sources told @ESPN

Still less than the current Big 12 deal.

I still think FSU could sue and get out for far less than $50 million.

 

[mre]

Pac 12/Sec are in really bad spots for expanding, as the Big 12/ACC have really protected themselves well. The only teams ripe for the picking are in the Northeast.

The SEC is looking at CAL and Washington State as potential expansion teams, so I'd say you're wrong.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Oh man, that'd be hilarious if the Big Twelve got stuck with two C-USA schools after all their big talk.

Almost as hilarious as andycapp's list of public ivies.

To be a Public Ivy you must have a hippie ratio of less than 3:1. Sorry Cal.

 

[Draxal]

The SEC is looking at CAL and Washington State as potential expansion teams, so I'd say you're wrong.

Seriously, what teams would the SEC go after if the ACC and BIG 12 school's can't leave because of market rights/exit fees. Especially with the rumored Florida/Georgia/Kentucky blocking Louisville and the Florida schools.

 

[TheNatural]

I forgot how if you have 2-3 white players that play regularly, you are a white team. All our black players are Uncle Toms that come from Huxtable families. There's no violation with Lance Thomas, he's rich you fuckers.

You and Notre Dame have the most notable white guys in college basketball, so that's what I'm going with. Reddick, Wojo, Paulus, etc whiteness is enough to cover three rosters, brah.

 

[mre]

Seriously, what teams would the SEC go after if the ACC and BIG 12 school's can't leave because of market rights/exit fees. Especially with the rumored Florida/Georgia/Kentucky blocking Louisville and the Florida schools.

The UF/UGA/UK/USC voting block just got diluted. They don't have the (I think) requisite 25% necessary to block a vote of expansion.

 

[LosDaddie]

I really don't see what the ACC gets out of this, besides getting to say that they have Notre Dame in every sport except the only one that really matters.

More marquee games for the ACC. Despite ND's mediocrity, their TV ratings are still solid. ACC will get more TV money since ND will play 5 games vs ACC teams every season.

I'm saying that ND's addition (plus more TV money and a higher exit fee) now make it very unlikely that we can add any ACC schools.

You would be correct. FSU and CU are definitely not going to the B12 now.

 

[Lonestar]

The UF/UGA/UK/USC voting block just got diluted. They don't have the (I think) requisite 25% necessary to block a vote of expansion.

All according to keikaku

 

[Ganhyun]

The UF/UGA/UK/USC voting block just got diluted. They don't have the (I think) requisite 25% necessary to block a vote of expansion.

I think as long as all 4 vote together they do since 25% of 16 is 4

 

[mre]

I think as long as all 4 vote together they do since 25% of 16 is 4

Gah. Math fail.

As a matter of explanation, I think the long "rumored" voting block was USC (Clemson)/ UGA (GA Tech)/UF (all other Florida schools). Which did have 25% prior to expansion but no longer does.

 

[Cyan]

Gah. Math fail.

I expect better of an Alabama/NC State/Florida/Colorado/Notre Dame grad!

 

[MightyHealthy]

Oh man, that'd be hilarious if the Big Twelve got stuck with two C-USA schools after all their big talk.

 

[TheNatural]

More marquee games for the ACC. Despite ND's mediocrity, their TV ratings are still solid. ACC will get more TV money since ND will be 5 games vs ACC teams every season.





You would be correct. FSU and CU are definitely not going to the B12 now.

I think that in some way ESPN is behind this. What a coincidence that ESPN's renewal period with the Big East just started, and Notre Dame goes to the ACC right then and there.

The four letter network is always pulling some strings in some way, shape, or form. Drive down the price of the Big East contract, weaken the conference if it signs with NBC or someone else.

 

[Subitai]

I don't think the ACC adds a school unless it brings in enough to raise everyone's boats. Why make everyone's piece of the pie smaller just for scheduling?

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Apparently, ND has to be within 1 game for them to be picked over an ACC school for the Orange Bowl. :jnc

And the teams that left CUSA in 2005 aren't that far ahead of some of the incoming teams facility investment wise. It isn't like we're talking a SEC - B1G gap here! Don't act like your shit don't stink in the general CFB landscape too.

 

[Ganhyun]

Gah. Math fail.

As a matter of explanation, I think the long "rumored" voting block was USC (Clemson)/ UGA (GA Tech)/UF (all other Florida schools). Which did have 25% prior to expansion but no longer does.

That would make sense. I knew about the UGA/UF/USCe block, but thought maybe Kentucky had joined to keep Louisville out too.

 

[mre]

I expect better of an Alabama/NC State/Florida/Colorado/Notre Dame grad!

Ur ded 2 me.

 

[LosDaddie]

GAF Pick'em Week 3

(THU) Rutgers @ South Florida by 7
Wake Forest @ Florida State by 17
California @ Ohio State by 14
Arkansas State @ Nebraska by 9
Louisiana-Monroe @ Auburn by 13
Virginia @ Georgia Tech by 7
Boston College @ Northwestern by 7
Navy @ Penn State by 7
Florida @ Tennessee by 13
Arizona State @ Missouri by 7
USC @ Stanford by 11
Notre Dame @ Michigan State by 7
Texas @ Ole Miss by 17
Colorado @ Fresno State by 14
BYU @ Utah by 14


Thoughts on Week 3 Games:

- Time for FSU to put the big boy pants on. This week truly begins the season FSU fans have waited a long time for. There really is no reason (outside of mass injuries during the game) why FSU should win by less than 2 TDs.

- Expect another grind out win for the gatas as their defense will again carry the team. As always, favorite team is FSU, second favorite is who's playing the gatas.

- Please stay undefeated, USF. Fucking hate you guys.

- PedoState should be able to shit out a win this week. Have you seen how tiny the Navy players are?

- Stanford will realize they headed back to the middle of the PAC12 this week.

- Sun Belt teams don't beat 2 SECSECSEC teams in consecutive weeks, right?

 

[Cyan]

- Time for FSU to put the big boy pants on. This week truly begins the season FSU fans have waited a long time for. There really is no reason (outside of mass injuries during the game) why FSU should win by less than 2 TDs.

FSU is back, baby!

 

[desh]

Notre Dame has only three long standing rivalries: Navy, Purdue, and USC. All their other rivalries are off again-on again.

 

[chaosblade]

- Sun Belt teams don't beat 2 SECSECSEC teams in consecutive weeks, right?

Have you seen Auburn? (It's glorious)