BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I don't really care about gooner slop but it's not setting a good precedent. Pressure the credit card companies and they will cave.
Colletive Shout claim responsibility for shutting down Steam NSFW Games
Mistake
Member
The twitch thots are on their radar now. They posted about it
Topher
Identifies as young
Just to be clear, I'm not defending this "collective shout" organization. These people will not stop with rape and incest. That's clear. Their goal is obviously to have all porn banned. That's insane and extreme. My point is I don't expect credit card companies to along with with that. Maybe that's naive. I hope not. I hope the potential of lost revenue from the porn industry is what keeps them from going down that rabbit hole. I'm not going to shed a single tear for a rape game being taken off Steam, but the problem with organizations like this is that they never stop having a cause even when they win.
Do we know why GTA 2 was delisted?
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Hawk The Slayer
Member
Never own any of those porn games but I still don't think it's a good idea to remove them because of what might come after. Since you do not want to give companies like this, SBI, and other similar groups a good foothold so they can later decide to censor or control more and more things beyond what they are doing now. Especially shouldn't be censor/removed since you have to opt in to adult content in order to see these porn games anyway. Now if Steam has these porn games out on the front pages by default with no way to filter them than I could understand but this isn't it.
The Gamer Triple H
Gold Member
Hell, they were still processing payments to only fans content that contained CSAM and actual sexual assault material. They finally stopped when investigators got involved.
Topher
Identifies as young
I imagine credit card processors are largely ignorant about what is being sold. Probably would rather not know.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
You can(could) release whatever on Steam and itch ESRB/CERO/USK/PEGI/ACB dont actually look at those game unless someone makes a huff, because Steam/Itch doesnt require games to be rated by a ratings board to release on the service.
Console releases usually if not always go through the ratings system.
FYI.
When your defense of something is "what about" that other thing.
Its called a whataboutism and its very poor like literally not even a defense.
If you want to defend Rape and Incest games, defend them, dont point fingers at other games because thats not the topic at hand.
You want to defend Rape and Incest games, start your sentence with "Leave the Rape and Incest games on Steam because........" Then continue from there with your argument.
If you would like to go back to the Assassins Creed thread to discuss a Black Samurai killing people...not random people FYI we can totally go to that thread to justify why Assassins Creed allows the killing of what in universe would be considered bad people (their race should be irrelevent but you brought it up).
Crying "whataboutism" is as intellectually lazy as anything. That term gets thrown around anytime someone tries to contextualize something or provide a valid analogue. It's a really easy way to handwave a salient point that someone doesn't like and for some reason, a lot of people just accept that like it's the end-all-be-all argument. Which it isn't.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Authoritarians absolutely hate "Don't like it, don't buy it" because that doesn't give them control.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I literally told the poster we could go discuss yasuke killing people in the AC thread.
But saying how come rape and incest isnt allowed when i can be black and kill asian people is literally a whatabutism.
They are totally different topics, how exactly are we supposed to have a discussion about rape and incest relating it to being a black samurai in japan killing japanese people?
Then trying to use the slippery slope argument of; well one is a crime and the other is a crime too so either they both get banned or none get banned.
Come on man which argument are you gonna call intellectually lazy?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I was living in Australia when GTAV (XB1/PS4) came out.......i bought the disk at either EB of JB.
Which one was banned or was it banned down the line?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, that wasn't a good example on his part, but taken in totality, I think it's a fair point. We do accept a lot of inappropriate content in games, so why are we drawing the line here? Especially when you could argue that plenty of what is considered acceptable in games tends to be more reprehensible than the content in many of the games that got delisted.
The point is, when you consider the broader context of essentially "anything goes" in video game content, it seems more than a little silly that suddenly consumers can't even have a choice in regards to this lone subject matter.
Mithos
Member
Target and Kmart according to articles.
Aenima
Member
Target and Kmart removed GTAV due to feminazi online petitions in Australia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30328314
I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread on this topic. I'm a fan a free speech. I also recognize that it can't be used as an excuse to allow illegal perversions and other nonsense to be normalized. I'm just providing an alternate perspective. Thankfully, Steam has a nice feature to filter out all that nonsense, which I have turned on. I returned to PC gaming about 2 years ago and was floored at all the crazy messed up games that are other there. Be it incest, pedophilia, beastality, rape, goofy fetishes, etc. It's all out there. I think it is normal for a strong company, as well as normal people for that matter, to want to distance themselves from and avoid their own brand being tied to heinous nonsense. It's perfectly rational for a company to say "I don't want my brand tied to enabling Cousin Pissing On You Simulator 3.0". I get it. Is there a balance that has to be struck to ensure the true reality of freedom of speech is protected? Of course. However, the creation or distribution of obscene materials is not protected by freedom of speech, as determined by the courts in Roth vs. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957). It's not a crutch that allows you to do whatever the hell you want
Exactly my point, it's the payment processors own policy and these groups just ratted out a client to them. They don't really have any sway on the megacorps. It would be like saying I have sway/influence on the mods if I were to report something here that's against the ToS. I don't really, I'm just ratting somebody out for breaking policy.
Aenima
Member
Holy freaking hypocrisy on steroids. The parasite that made a career trying to censor and actually managed to damage the videogame industry in the west about sexualized women in videogames, now is also against the payment processors because it puts in danger "sex workers".
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Topher
Identifies as young
Holy freaking hypocrisy on steroids. The parasite that made a career trying to censor and actually managed to damage the videogame industry in the west about sexualized women in videogames, now is also against the payment processors because it puts in danger "sex workers".
"puritanical angry moms"? what the hell?
Omnipunctual Godot
Member
If you're comfortable with special interest groups and payment processors dictating what you, as an adult, can read, watch, or play, eventually you'll get the content you deserve.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Holy freaking hypocrisy on steroids. The parasite that made a career trying to censor and actually managed to damage the videogame industry in the west about sexualized women in videogames, now is also against the payment processors because it puts in danger "sex workers".
This fucking moron.
It's your own damn fault, Anita.
archangelmorph
Gold Member
Do you know who else "claims responsibility" when bad things happen in public view?
The group had already been closely linked with the situation, which has seen Itch.io and Steam scramble to appease payment providers like Visa as they suddenly took an interest in the kind of games available on the platforms, especially those which contravened rules and "standards" the payment providers apparently had. It led to Itch.io deindexing all NSFW content from its browse and search pages, and Steam introducing vague new rules about adult content, while removing a slew of games.
Collective Shout shared a timeline of the campaign on its website, noting how it began with No Mercy, a game which involves extreme sexual violence, being brought to its in March. The group's actions - a mixture of petitioning, emailing, and lobbying - began in early April and led to the game being removed from sale later that month.
Article: "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
Al Qaeda…
Draugoth
Gold Member
Holy freaking hypocrisy on steroids. The parasite that made a career trying to censor and actually managed to damage the videogame industry in the west about sexualized women in videogames, now is also against the payment processors because it puts in danger "sex workers".
Collective Shout is literally run by Republic of Gilead wannabes
bighugeguns
Gold Member
Gaslighting myself cause I didn't know about that bit about them defending heinous shit you mentioned. If that's the case, then you're right, they suck. Sorry if I'm ignorant, not embedded in the goonsphere.
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Magister
Member
Have you heard the news? Collective Shout just gave an interview. They said that legality is not the defining factor.
They won't stop at this. They will try to ban every last bit of even mildy sexual content/themes. They will come for everything. Paypal already debanked Valve in several countries due to this.
Also, Collective shout wanted to ban GTA V and Detroit Become Human once. Do you believe they will stop and do nothing while you laugh ha ha ha it's just those weird gooner games. Well, your games will be next.
They won't stop at this. They will try to ban every last bit of even mildy sexual content/themes. They will come for everything. Paypal already debanked Valve in several countries due to this.
Also, Collective shout wanted to ban GTA V and Detroit Become Human once. Do you believe they will stop and do nothing while you laugh ha ha ha it's just those weird gooner games. Well, your games will be next.
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
Anyone who believes this is a fucking moron and doesnt deserve any respect.
Of course, Collective Shout is a fanatic group of censors who feed on censorship. They won't ever stop because that's their way of living. These are the kind of despicable people that in a dictatorship would report their neighbours, even their own family. They are a nasty piece of shit in human shape.
GHound
Member
That's not all. They called everyone who defends freedom of expression a sex offender. Which from my point of view increases the odds they're a bunch of projecting chomos significantly.
The world is apparently full of some Dr. Pizza ass bitches just waiting to self report.
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CuteFaceJay
Member
I've come to the conclusion that "Collective Shout" are nothing but paid actors in order to create even greater division among people and further continuing the "Us Vs Them" that seems to be getting even stronger within society with each passing liquidity cycle in an attempt to hide the central banks printing currency into the ground further inflating the currency all in plain sight but with all the division people don't seem to bother questioning the system and continue with the petty "Us Vs Them" narrative.
Heck I'm even inclined to say that OP might also be paid actor themself.
It all makes sense because the financial system is running on broken money since the leaving of the gold standard in 1971 as it's no longer run on sound money.
Heck I'm even inclined to say that OP might also be paid actor themself.
It all makes sense because the financial system is running on broken money since the leaving of the gold standard in 1971 as it's no longer run on sound money.
Duchess
Member
I've come to the conclusion that Collective Shout has at least a few child abusers amongst their ranks, because these types of organisations always do.
Jubenhimer
Member
It's hilarious how woke ideology keeps flip flopping on this issue.Holy freaking hypocrisy on steroids. The parasite that made a career trying to censor and actually managed to damage the videogame industry in the west about sexualized women in videogames, now is also against the payment processors because it puts in danger "sex workers".
Feminists: "We must censor sexuality in games because male gaze bad!!"
Also Feminists: "We must stop censorship of sexualiy because muh sex work and freedoms!!!"
Chan
Member
Nice to read a thoughtful and sensible take on this issue for once. I appreciate it.
Topher
Identifies as young
Link?
diffusionx
Gold Member
Activists (primarily on the left but it works for everyone) in recent years have found the credit card processors, banks, and payment processors to be a "weak link" that they can hammer to get their chosen policy through in the absence of everything else working. We really need to have Congress pass a law that says that payment processors MUST process any legal transaction between two legal entities, be they corporations or people or charities or whatever. They absolutely have to be content and viewpoint neutral. This really cannot stand.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
I mean, that organization vehemently defended Cuties so...
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
This group just doesn't pass the smell test. They are paid for by some billionare somewhere and are whitewashing for him or her.
Magister
Member
"Legality Is Not The Defining Factor": Steam Censorship Campaign Details It Seeks Removal Of Games Whether Legal Or Not
"If Steam and itch.io had been moderating their platforms as they should have, there would have been no need to temporarily delist games."
www.thegamer.com
Orbital2060
Member
Most likely, as it has been with the trans movement. I cant remember the name of the organisation now, but JRE had Graham Linehan on a while ago, who spoke about it. Worth a listen for those who dont know much about it, how deep the rabbit hole goes.
pudel
Member
Exactly. When I buy a game I am doing business with Steam/Valve and not with the forced in middleman called payment processor xyz. These forced middlemen shouldnt have ANY right to intercept a legal transaction....or else give me a way to circumvent them and sending my money directly to Steam. Steam and the whole video game industry will become now even more of a kindergarten as every dev will think twice now to include mature themes into their games....just because of fear that their game could be randomly delisted. Everyone is going to censor themselves now even more (as if it wasnt bad enough already with that DEI stuff). And the "worst" thing is...it can be done with literally everything....not only mature themes. Really horrible direction this is all going.
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kat_on_the_roof
Gold Member
Maybe in a lot of cases it involves the abuse of minors, i think. Only explanation i can come up with.
In all honesty, rape and incest themes in video games are weird as f... and the sooner they vanish forever the better.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
As expected, these are the culture warriors that put a foot in the door with people covering for them… calling other gooners or defending some despicable / illegal stuff… and then they take off their masks once they have been able to exploit the digital feudal lords / monopolists or duopolists that control the basic transactions themselves."Legality Is Not The Defining Factor": Steam Censorship Campaign Details It Seeks Removal Of Games Whether Legal Or Not
"If Steam and itch.io had been moderating their platforms as they should have, there would have been no need to temporarily delist games."
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
It's a dumb take that does the same as these organizations: to jam the conversation, or to be more precise, to conceal the REAL predators under a smoke screen of baseless accusations. Like the MeToo movement, these are initiatives supported and funded by actual criminals with the sole intention of disguising them among the average people.
BbMajor7th
Member
The minute you create a distinction between 'true' and 'non-true' forms of speech you award the power of those in charge to decide which is which. Freedom of speech and expression has to be protected universally, or we give those in power the right to decide what is and isn't okay to say. The minute you do that, you open the door for totalitarianism. It started in the UK with banning the occasional mad mullah from preaching 'Death to the West' in the middle of town, now it's being used to imprison people for telling jokes, protesting wars, refusing to address people with their preferred pronouns or expressing an unpopular opinion.
The very people who told me fifteen years ago that hate speech laws were good and the only people against them were closet racists are now bellyaching that they're political opinions are being suppressed by the state. I don't have a big enough sign to write the words 'I told you so' on.
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pudel
Member
No one forces you to buy that stuff. If you want it to vanish than it needs to vanish from every fictional art....movies, books etc.. But what do you achieve than? Are we really pretending if we censor the shit out of fictional art, it wont happen anymore in reality!? Might be a hot take, but I would assume that if you take the opportunity away from people to live out their fantasies in fictional art...they might just wanna live it out in reality instead.
I will never understand people who want to censor themselves and hence everybody else....because they dont like something. Hilarious.
BbMajor7th
Member
Also arguing that a game which depicts rape normalizes violence against women carries about as much weight saying Grand Theft Auto normalizes car theft. Even less so, when you consider that the handful of basement dwellers who actually play creepy rape simulators and compare that to the tens of millions who play GTA. If media had the power to normalize antisocial behavior, GTA would have spiked car theft all across the globe. It hasn't: 'normalization' is an imagined phenomena dreamt up by people who want to ban things they don't like.
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Interfectum
Member
I love how this is the stupid shit people fight for. Wow some boobs and penis games removed from Steam. Chronic gambling games aged at kids still plentyful across the platform and mobile.
Keep fighting the good fight feminist idiots.
Keep fighting the good fight feminist idiots.