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[Portugeezer]

A rare incelette victory.

 

[Kenpachii]

I hate collective shout can we go after payment processors to block them.

Anyway half the shit steam has on its shop should be banned its ridiculous.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Mina-san the 1000 year old dragon with the body of a child feels the same way.

In all seriousness, I'm obviously not a fan of these kinds of games and I'm not sure they promote a healthy society. However, banning shit is a slippery slope. The goalposts have been moved so far in my state that I can't watch any porn legally.

I'm joking, asmongold just made a video about men and women approaching each other. Tbh, the real shit show starts when men address women's behavior, I don't care what Youtube says about women, they're the real victim.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

Instead of projecting their collective trauma, they should deal with it by going in therapy.

 

[RCX]

Letting normies play videogames was a mistake

Now they have (an admittedly supportable) win, will they lay down their arms, consider it mission accomplished and never be heard of again?

Lets head down this slippery slope and find out!

 

[Kilau]

Can you use these payments on porn sites that have incest, "rape" and abusive choke out sex content?

 

[Topher]

How is incest sexualized violence?

Rape

 

[Larxia]

I think Rape and Incest games are weird and have no issue with them being removed.

This is something I never really understood.

Aren't games that let you do massacre by killing ton of people "weird" too in that sense? But that's allowed.
Honestly as long as it's fiction, I think people should be able to create / play anything they want, as long as it doesn't arm actual people. You can judge it, find it weird, but forbidding a fiction is kind of strange I think.
Plus it starts with "rape" and "incest" (putting it on quote because I don't even know the content that's been removed), until it's all sex games and then something else (they did attack GTA V back in the days).

Now having sex games on the front page of Steam, that's another different thing which can be surprising, but... you have to opt in in the settings to see them anyway.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

As a side note, I really hate this brainrot tiktok trend of censoring words for no reason, who the fuck are you protecting by writing sexualised as s*xualised?? Like your brain still doesn't just perfectly read it as intended; who the fuck is that for? It just comes across as some kind of weird gross performative grandstanding

 

[Black_Stride]

This is something I never really understood.

Aren't games that let you do massacre by killing ton of people "weird" too in that sense? But that's allowed.
Honestly as long as it's fiction, I think people should be able to create / play anything they want, as long as it doesn't arm actual people. You can judge it, find it weird, but forbidding a fiction is kind of strange I think.
Plus it starts with "rape" and "incest" (putting it on quote because I don't even know the content that's been removed), until it's all sex games and then something else (they did attack GTA V back in the days).

Now having sex games on the front page of Steam, that's another different thing which can be surprising, but... you have to opt in in the settings to see them anyway.

Active Shooter was pulled from Steam so your example doesnt hold water mate.

Hell i think all the developers accounts got pulled paypal itch etc.....

Just dont be weird, if you want to be weird then be weird over there and no one will bother you.

 

[Mr Moose]

Australian pressure group

...
And they aren't even gamers.

 

[Signalis]

Need a Chinese company to make games where you play as a sexy woman going around raping guys and collecting their schlongs and turning them into sexless beings

 

[PlayStaytion]

This is something I never really understood.

Aren't games that let you do massacre by killing ton of people "weird" too in that sense? But that's allowed.
Honestly as long as it's fiction, I think people should be able to create / play anything they want, as long as it doesn't arm actual people. You can judge it, find it weird, but forbidding a fiction is kind of strange I think.
Plus it starts with "rape" and "incest" (putting it on quote because I don't even know the content that's been removed), until it's all sex games and then something else (they did attack GTA V back in the days).

Now having sex games on the front page of Steam, that's another different thing which can be surprising, but... you have to opt in in the settings to see them anyway.

I think it make sense when it's about Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite but not on average female characters. Character's build plays a big role.

 

[negator2vc]

And that's why (speaking about the whole Colletive Shout situation)
GOG, itch.io and other DRM free platforms are way better in the long run than Steam.
None can take your games away from you and even if a game is taken down from the store(s) people can still find it online.

 

[Topher]

Active Shooter was pulled from Steam so your example doesnt hold water mate.

Hell i think all the developers accounts got pulled paypal itch etc.....

Yeah, it is mainly the scenarios in which the violence is conducted. Folks can come up with plenty of situations in which violence is justified. I can't think of any justification for rape or incest.

 

[Black_Stride]

And that's why (speaking about the whole Colletive Shout situation)
GOG, itch.io and other DRM free platforms are way better in the long run than Steam.
None can take your games away from you and even if a game is taken down from the store(s) people can still find it online.

You mean like if you already own the Rape and Incest game you can still launch it if it gets pulled from the store?
Like with Steam?

Did Steam say they will pull the Rape and Incest game from your account?
If you have the game have at it, you already paid for it.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Why the fuck do they even care what people are playing. I swear this shit probably bothers me way more than it should.

It's unfortunately not uncommon for Christians to want to control what others digest, and apparently Collective Shout is made up of conservative Christians, so it makes sense. With what similar folks have attempted to do in the past with music, movies, TV, video games etc. it makes this very on brand. It's gross.

I always found it funny that there are rating systems in place for things like this, but then people can just make a scene and act like rating systems don't matter or exist?

 

[Portugeezer]

Yeah, it is mainly the scenarios in which the violence is conducted. Folks can come up with plenty of situations in which violence is justified. I can't think of any justification for rape or incest.

Obviously these things have been fetishized for a long time, and so has violence. Yet plenty of violence is accepted, justification frankly is just an excuse as people can give things its own context (could beating a zombie in a small bikini be sexualised in Dead Island 2? Of course).

The main reason I would say there is disgust towards deviant sexual stuff - whether correct or not - is that when it comes to the weird sexual games/porn, it's mainly women who are the victims. And because there exist even more mentally ill people who don't know boundaries, people don't want to allow anything.

 

[Rivdoric]

Edit : Post removed to avoid further discussion. Better ignore than feed to preserve my sanity & avoid idiotic debate.

 

[Topher]

Obviously these things have been fetishized for a long time, and so has violence. Yet plenty of violence is accepted, justification frankly is just an excuse as people can give things its own context (could beating a zombie in a small bikini be sexualised in Dead Island 2? Of course).

The main reason I would say there is disgust towards deviant sexual stuff - whether correct or not - is that when it comes to the weird sexual games/porn, it's mainly women who are the victims. And because there exist even more mentally ill people who don't know boundaries, people don't want to allow anything.

Context is important. There is killing in plenty of games, obviously, just as there is killing in that "Active Shooter" game Black_Stride referenced. Difference is context. Same with sexual situations. Run of the mill porn games are one thing. Rape and incest crosses a line. I don't see any way around that. People can create those games if they want and there is nothing stopping them from creating their own stores, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to support them.

 

[Topher]

I'll never understand the logic behind the censorship of certain content.
Ok, let's remove all games that misrepresents women.

But why is it worse than games where you can then kill cops ?
Or games where you kill russian or chinese because the plot says they're evil ?
Also why is it worse than killing animals like wolves or bears for fun ?
And then why should we allow game that allow you to play dictators like tropico ?
And why the fuck is it allowed to play a black guy slaughtering the whole japanese people ?
And why should we then allow RPG to be sold anymore if they allow player to commit evil deeds like stealing & pickpocketing and get rewards for it as this is illegal.
And in the end, why allow any game which has any kind of violence or combat, cause violence is forbidden by the law.

That's slippery slope fallacy and none of this is "forbidden by law". These are dealings between private organizations.

 

[Black_Stride]

I always found it funny that there are rating systems in place for things like this, but then people can just make a scene and act like rating systems don't matter or exist?

You can(could) release whatever on Steam and itch ESRB/CERO/USK/PEGI/ACB dont actually look at those game unless someone makes a huff, because Steam/Itch doesnt require games to be rated by a ratings board to release on the service.
Console releases usually if not always go through the ratings system.

I'll never understand the logic behind the censorship of certain content.
Ok, let's remove all games that misrepresents women.

But why is it worse than games where you can then kill cops ?
Or games where you kill russian or chinese because the plot says they're evil ?
Also why is it worse than killing animals like wolves or bears for fun ?
And then why should we allow game that allow you to play dictators like tropico ?
And why the fuck is it allowed to play a black guy slaughtering the whole japanese people ?
And why should we then allow RPG to be sold anymore if they allow player to commit evil deeds like stealing & pickpocketing and get rewards for it as this is illegal.
And in the end, why allow any game which has any kind of violence or combat, cause violence is forbidden by the law.

FYI.
When your defense of something is "what about" that other thing.
Its called a whataboutism and its very poor like literally not even a defense.
If you want to defend Rape and Incest games, defend them, dont point fingers at other games because thats not the topic at hand.

You want to defend Rape and Incest games, start your sentence with "Leave the Rape and Incest games on Steam because........" Then continue from there with your argument.

If you would like to go back to the Assassins Creed thread to discuss a Black Samurai killing people...not random people FYI we can totally go to that thread to justify why Assassins Creed allows the killing of what in universe would be considered bad people (their race should be irrelevent but you brought it up).

 

[PanzerCute]

Why the fuck do they even care what people are playing. I swear this shit probably bothers me way more than it should.

Same. I dont give a shit about adult games but I hate people who want to impose their way of thinking/living upon others.

These are the real evil in this world.

 

[SaturnSaturn]

Did they not try to get Detroit become human banned a while ago also?

No saying where this train stops

 

[adamsapple]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Very clearly implied rape.

But I dont think thats enough to pull the game. Nothing is shown. Just the consequences.

Yeah, that's not really enough reason for removal, IMO. Unless there are violent physical depictions, I don't think it should be worth removing.

Cause if that's the case, this is going to result in classics like Metal Gear Solid being removed from all store-fronts too, let alone soooo many mainstream movies.

 

[Hookshot]

It's not a slippery slope fallacy when it's just fucking happened.

The censorship has started, it won't now stop until it's reversed and everything is allowed again. Which I don't see happening.

 

[negator2vc]

You mean like if you already own the Rape and Incest game you can still launch it if it gets pulled from the store?
Like with Steam?

Did Steam say they will pull the Rape and Incest game from your account?
If you have the game have at it, you already paid for it.

You really think that the censorship will stay at those categories?

 

[Mithos]

Well this group want any game where a Female character can get hurt banned so... You can start listing games you own that is in the scope of this group.

 

[Topher]

You really think that the censorship will stay at those categories?

I think the credit card companies will push back on activists long before it hits their bottom line. This is extreme fringe shit and easy to say no to. Beyond that, we will see, but I doubt it goes much further than this.

 

[justiceiro]

So they responded to "false claims" ... by confirming them????

 

[PlayStaytion]

Apparently CEO of that shit is conservative woman, men having no access to porn content makes them more horny(less postnut clarity obviously) so they are even more powerless/more simpy towards women, so it makes sense she wants to fuck them up even more, since most of modern conservative women are basically cosplaying as ones, deep down they are feminists.

The most important thing is consuming legit contents like John Wick's plot, anything else is secondary.

 

[Black_Stride]

You really think that the censorship will stay at those categories?

When they try go after Fortnite, COD, GTA. GeOW, GOW etc etc wake me up....ill be right there on the picket line with you.

These rape and incest games......they can go back to the dark corners of the internet where they belong.

 

[MiguelItUp]

You can(could) release whatever on Steam and itch ESRB/CERO/USK/PEGI/ACB dont actually look at those game unless someone makes a huff, because Steam/Itch doesnt require games to be rated by a ratings board to release on the service.
Console releases usually if not always go through the ratings system.

Ah yeah, that's a fair point. To be honest the only releases I've been connected to have all gone through the standard rating process, so I guess I didn't even think about that.

Regardless, I wish people would just... abide by the ratings and just not give attention to things they're not interested in. Or, you know, parents actually pay attention to what their kids are watching, playing, etc.

 

[Aenima]

When they try go after Fortnite, COD, GTA. GeOW, GOW etc etc wake me up....ill be right there on the picket line with you.

These rape and incest games......they can go back to the dark corners of the internet where they belong.

By then its going to be too late, cuz a precedent of censorship of legal media has already been normalized. If you think this stops at rape and incest games, you are way too naive, cuz Mouthwash, an horror game that as far as i know dont have rape or incest, just got pulled out of itch.io as well. And you can bet that if this dosent stop now, this feminazi groups will go after GTA6 100% garanteed. This collective shout went after a bakery for having a slogan that said "We have the best buns in town".

Why does this group have success? Because Visa, Mastercard, etc dont want bad press, they dont care about the content, as long its legal content, but if they receive enough complains from groups of ppl, they feel they have to do something to protect they own image. The thing ppl need to do, if you care about your games not being censored, is shouting louder than these feminazi groups and let the payment processors know that you are not ok with censorship of legal adult media.

 

[freemandos]

When they try go after Fortnite, COD, GTA. GeOW, GOW etc etc wake me up....ill be right there on the picket line with you.

These rape and incest games......they can go back to the dark corners of the internet where they belong.

They did it with GTAV.

 

[Topher]

By then its going to be too late, cuz a precedent of censorship of legal media has already been normalized. If you think this stops at rape and incest games, you are way too naive, cuz Mouthwash, an horror game that as far as i know dont have rape or incest, just got pulled out of itch.io as well. And you can bet that if this dosent stop now, this feminazi groups will go after GTA6 100% garanteed. This collective shout went after a bakery for having a slogan that said "We have the best buns in town".

What precedent? These are not legal actions. They are entirely at the discretion of private corporations. They can flipflop on this just like corporations have flipflopped on DEI. Either way, these credit card companies are not eager to halt transactions so I doubt this goes much further than this. They process a shitton of porn payments every day.

 

[Mithos]

They did it with GTAV.

And they got it removed from a number of stores (in Australia, just to be clear).

 

[Audible Silence]

so whats to stop them from moving on from games and onto things like only fans and streamers they dont approve of.

 

[Topher]

so whats to stop them from moving on from games and onto things like only fans and streamers they dont approve of.

Money. Porn makes billions of dollars every year and credit cards get a piece of that revenue.

 

[Minari]

so whats to stop them from moving on from games and onto things like only fans and streamers they dont approve of.

cause selling ass online is not degenerate enough

 

[Audible Silence]

Money. Porn makes billions of dollars every year and credit cards get a piece of that revenue.

but they get a piece of these games too which is why it confuses me in the first place, cuz ultimately they are just causing themselves to lose money. is your point that the games are too small of a money maker for the processers to care?

 

[Sentenza]

I have no idea why some of you mongoloids are even celebrating this as a good thing.

It doesn't even matter what's your overall opinion of porn games.
If you don't see the problem in credit card companies suddenly overwriting laws (and starting to dictate what you can and can't spend your money on) you must have brain parasites.

 

[Rivdoric]

Edit : Post removed to avoid further discussion. Better ignore than feed to preserve my sanity & avoid idiotic debate.

 

[Topher]

but they get a piece of these games too which is why it confuses me in the first place, cuz ultimately they are just causing themselves to lose money. is your point that the games are too small of a money maker for the processers to care?

Yeah....it doesn't generate much revenue and we are talking about rape/incest. Some decisions are hard. That's an easy one.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Need a Chinese company to make games where you play as a sexy woman going around raping guys and collecting their schlongs and turning them into sexless beings

Thats the plot of Wheel of Time.

 

[violence]

Large companies bending the knee to cat ladys?

 

[Mistake]

Yeah....it doesn't generate much revenue and we are talking about rape/incest. Some decisions are hard. That's an easy one.

Not really. Plenty of material can insinuate or talk about those things while not showing stuff that's pornographic. A game of thrones video game would be delisted with these rules. It's ridiculous

 

[Topher]

Not really. Plenty of material can insinuate or talk about those things while not showing stuff that's pornographic. A game of thrones video game would be delisted with these rules. It's ridiculous

But this is strictly about pornographic rape/incest. In this instance anyway. Collective Shout wants all porn banned and that's a different thing entirely, imo.

 

[Mistake]

But this is strictly about pornographic rape/incest. In this instance anyway. Collective Shout wants all porn banned and that's a different thing entirely, imo.

GTA 2 just got delisted. Karens are never happy and it's wrong to assume that will appease them

 

[Portugeezer]

so whats to stop them from moving on from games and onto things like only fans and streamers they dont approve of.

OF has weirdly become more and more socially acceptable... even empowering, as they call it.