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[Wheeljack539]

At Comic Con Harmony Gold showed a new trailer for Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles, and a fan was able to get a video of it.

http://www.robotechespanol.com/

http://www.robotechespanol.com/comp...,42/func,fileinfo/filecatid,35/parent,folder/

Click 'descarga'.

File is 93MB, and actually contains some of the HG panel itself, in which previsualization CG images and scenes were shown, as well as a pencil test. The trailer itself begins at the 2:48 mark.

 

[anotheriori]

how's this related to robotech? remake? or ova?

 

[Wheeljack539]

Sequel Movie/OVA. Takes place right after the final episode of Robotech, "Symphony of Light".

 

[VisionaryQuest0]

Is this made for America (considering the Robotech name)?

 

[Phoenix]

Is this one actually going to be primarily about combat or will it be a musical?

 

[Wheeljack539]

Yes, as well as the international markets, such as Europe, Austrailia, China(yes, China, they got it in the early 90s and love it too, amazingly enough).

HG is considering releasing it in Japan as either a semi-quasi sequel to Mospeada or take a chance and do it under the Robotech name.

The 2D and 3D animation work is being done by DRMovie, who have worked on anime such as Chobits, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yukikaze, Macross Zero, Studio Ghibli works, etc.

Is this one actually going to be primarily about combat or will it be a musical?

HG has said that they really won't go that route, but there will be two songs sang by a character voiced by Chase Masterson, who played Leeta on DS9.

 

[VisionaryQuest0]

The 2D and 3D animation work is being done by DRMovie, who have worked on anime such as Chobits, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yukikaze, Macross Zero, Studio Ghibli works, etc.

Oooohhh this is going to be awesome.

BTW, when IS Macross Zero ever going to be released over here?

 

[Zaptruder]

Oohh....

 

[Wheeljack539]

BTW, when IS Macross Zero ever going to be released over here?

Pretty much when Tatsunoko and Big West learn to play nice to each other. Hopefully, with Takara's recent purchase of Tatsunoko things may change for the better(or at least the fans hope so).

For those waiting on Macross 7, they have the double whammy of not only the legal dispute above, but the music rights issue, in which the owner, Victor Entertainment, is said to be charging an arm and a leg for it(remember, this is just for the music itself, not the animation).

As a side note for Robotech fans who were fans of Lancer's music(such as Lonely Soldier Boy, Look Up!, etc), the singer, Michael Bradley, is producing a remix cd of Lancer's songs to be made available later this year, as said at his concert at AX.

 

[isamu]

Pretty much when Tatsunoko and Big West learn to play nice to each other. Hopefully, with Takara's recent purchase of Tatsunoko things may change for the better(or at least the fans hope so).

For those waiting on Macross 7, they have the double whammy of not only the legal dispute above, but the music rights issue, in which the owner, Victor Entertainment, is said to be charging an arm and a leg for it(remember, this is just for the music itself, not the animation).

As a side note for Robotech fans who were fans of Lancer's music(such as Lonely Soldier Boy, Look Up!, etc), the singer, Michael Bradley, is producing a remix cd of Lancer's songs to be made available later this year, as said at his concert at AX.

Did you go to the RoboCon? I keep trying to get impressions from Macross World but they've been down for days.

How was it? Did Reba West show up? Tony Oliver? Did Reba sing Minmay songs?

I don't feel too back for not going this time, since I already went to the 10 yr one back in '95. Reba sang her Minmay songs and I got it, as well as all kinds of other great footage on home video

 

[isamu]

Just found this pic of the original cast:

 

[Wheeljack539]

Did you go to the RoboCon? I keep trying to get impressions from Macross World but they've been down for days.

Yeah, it was fun, unfortunately though, I was unable to attend the Macross panel due to it overlapping another panel I wanted to attend.

How was it? Did Reba West show up? Tony Oliver? Did Reba sing Minmay songs?

It was a blast. Tony Oliver (Rick Hunter), Melanie MacQueen (Lisa Hayes), Reba West (Minmei), Dan Woren (Roy Fokker), Iona Morris (Claudia Grant), Greg Finley (Captain Gloval), Eddie Frierson (Lynn Kyle), Paul St. Peter (Zor Prime), Steve Kramer (Angelo Dante) Mike Reynolds (Dolza), Alexandra Kenworthy (Azonia, The Regess), and Frank Catalano (Rand) all attended. They were all very humble and surprised that they were remembered this long, as well as noting that it was Robotech was their first foray into voice acting.

Michael Bradley (singing voice for Lancer in New Generation) held a concert with his band, the RK Project, later that day. It was awesome, and he brought Reba West up to which she thanked all the fans (no, she didn't sing, and mentioned that she had forgotten the words :lol ) Bradley and his group performed over 10 songs from the show, including some from the unreleased movie. It was all great and the icing was when he said he was producing a new cd.

 

[isamu]

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Helloooooo! Lancer's hair is purple.

I'm a sucker for "We Will Win". So I'd probably pee my pants over this.

I got a kick out of Ippongi Bang and her band doing "Tough Boy" back when I used to go to anime cons.

Good news. Will they find Admiral Hunter?! What will he look like? ZOMG!

Hey shouta, what was that Macross series that followed the adventures of Max and Miriya? I wanna watch that.

 

[Tamanon]

Will it be following the novel that took place afterwards, Circle of Light? I hope not, I didn't really like that story, good fanservice, but not really that good a story. Giant transforming planets only work once!

 

[Wheeljack539]

Helloooooo! Lancer's hair is purple.

What's hilarious is that pic of Michael holding a Lancer picture. Everyone was chanting "YELLOW! YELLOW!", and he pulled out two pictures, one of Lancer, the other Yellow Dancer, and made a hilarious point of pointing towards Lancer and that he doesn't crossdress. :lol

As for the girl, that's Khristy Moser, who's in his band. She sang the duets with him and did a Minmei song (It's You), and it was really good.

Good news. Will they find Admiral Hunter?! What will he look like? ZOMG!

From what it sounds like, yes. Tony Oliver was there and while he was signing autographs at the booth the sign with his name on it had 'Admiral Rick Hunter' writtin on it, and he did record for the movie already(all voice work was completed last October).

Hey shouta, what was that Macross series that followed the adventures of Max and Miriya? I wanna watch that.

That would be Macross 7. Beware though, it's probably not what your expecting.

Will it be following the novel that took place afterwards, Circle of Light? I hope not, I didn't really like that story, good fanservice, but not really that good a story. Giant transforming planets only work once!

From the looks of it probably no. They said they may borrow elements from it as well as the other novels or works, but so far it doesn't look like it'll be End of the Circle animated.

There is going to be comics coming out later though. First one (out of 5) in October, and will be bi-weekly.

 

[Blackace]

omg!!! drool.. not a big Anime fan... but this is my childhood!!! I love the American version of Robotech... one of the only Anime/book/game that I like better than the source text. Goku's American voice being one of the other few

 

[Tamanon]

End of the Circle, that was the name!

OMG the new Shadow Fighter rocks I loved the Mospeada designs.

 

[Shouta]

Whoa, that looks interesting. I gotta give Macek some credit when he did the hacking up of Southern Cross, Macross and Mospeada. He managed to keep the basic premise of the storylines intact but twist them to make a giant epic.

Bandit: Macross 7 is what you're thinking of. Max and Millia are support characters in the series (Max is head of the Battle 7 fleet and Millia is the mayor of City 7). It's the "music" portion of the Macross franchise.

End of the Cricle was a decent book but it still was pretty convoluted overall. The Zentraedi Rebellion was also decent as well.

 

[Silent Death]

SWEET!!! I would have loved if they had done the Sentiels first but maybe they can go back and do it later. Did Macek write this or did they get someone else? Does anyone know how many episodes there will be?

 

[Tamanon]

Zentraedi Rebellion was great, a little preachy at times, but good stuff, better than End of the Circle. I liked the other 2 that introduced the hackers but those seemed out of place :lol I would love a series just about the Zentraedi rebellion and the founding of the Southern Cross, think it would work great.

 

[isamu]

I must say I was totally star struck when I first met Reba West and Tony Oliver back in '95 and the 10th Anniv RoboCon. It was an experience I'll never ever forget. That Khristy chick doing Minmay songs is just wrong. Reba West herself sang them at the '95 con and did them fantastically. Plus, I noticed that the chick who played Marie Crystal, as well as Greg Snegoff(Khyron, Scott Bernard) wasn't there. Bummer. They attended the '95 con so I'm not sure why they didn't go to this one.

Over the course of the last decade, my die hard loyalty to all things Robotech has dimished somewhat. Once I discovered the real story about how Carl took three original anime series and butchered them into one epic story, a part of my RT enthusiasm was lost forever. My respect and admiration for the original Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada series grew substantially...especially for Macross. There is simply nothing like it. Robotech seems hollow in comparison. The voice acting is good, the concept is good, but the whole ripoff aspect of it all leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Knowing that Mikimoto, Ishiguro and especially Kawamori are no doubt dissapointed with Carl Macek/Harmony Gold and how their original works have been praised in the US and Europe without their recognition does not sit well with me, and I'm sure my brothers at MacrossWorld.com feel the same way. They are diehard Macross fans who absolutely HATE anything RT/Harmony Gold/Carl Macek related.

Now...all that being said, there is no denying my RT fanboyism based strictly on nostalgia and childhood memories. RT was THE show I loved growing up as a kid. I actually went to the first RoboCon not knowing the real history behind the show and was completely oblivious the whole Carl/HG rip-off thing. :lol

Still, Robotech is Robotech...it is what it is, and I cannot hate it even after knowing the foundation it was built on. It's still a very watchable show, even after having seen it LITERALLY over 150 times in it's entirety. I will watch the developments of this new sequel with baited curiousity and watch it with an open mind.

But I'd still rather see Kawamori continue with his work on a future Macross series.

 

[manngc]

I'm definitely going to have to keep in eye on this. Hopefully they'll be able to bring this to completion, unlike the Sentinals project...

I remember when I finally got so see the little part of the Sentinals that they did, was just just estatic over it!

Mann

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Fuck that shit!

Roy Fokker DIES!

DIES!

Jesus christ, my tiny head couldn't handle any more trauma in my life at the point; and ROY FOKKER DIED!

I can't think of another show that has run on American television ostensibly for children in which a lead character has died and stayed dead. Fuck the Macek haters. Robotech rocked for what it was, yeah - let's totally ignore the mad skillaz required to make one continuous saga out of three completely different shows.

Yeah, it sucks for the original creators; but I'm not them. This doesn't affect my appreciation for Robotech or it's source material.

<Insert more gushing Robotech praise here, and the excuses as to why Macek had to do what he did to get the shows on the air.>

I just hope they don't pussy out and toy with characters like other childrens shows. Kill people and they fucking. Stay. Dead.

That would be Macross 7. Beware though, it's probably not what your expecting.

I'm all about mindlessly wanking to Max awesomeness.

Watched the trailer for this today during lunch and it's fucking hot. Those good old Ulpio Minucci themes! *gets all misty*

 

[Shouta]

let's totally ignore the mad skillaz required to make one continuous saga out of three completely different shows.

It actually didn't take that much to combine all three series. I would be more impressed if they hadn't had so many frigging plot holes.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

It actually didn't take that much to combine all three series. I would be more impressed if they hadn't had so many frigging plot holes.

Never at a loss to split hairs Shouta. Your nitpicking and elitism won't change the face of 20 years of Robotech nostalgia!

Incidentally, my shit from ADV arrived today. Did you receive your stuff yet?

I hope next time I can snag Mospeada. :q

 

[Zaptruder]

It actually didn't take that much to combine all three series. I would be more impressed if they hadn't had so many frigging plot holes.

Plot holes?! WHAT PLOT HOLES.?!

... no really, I've forgotten, and would like to know.

 

[Wheeljack539]

It actually didn't take that much to combine all three series. I would be more impressed if they hadn't had so many frigging plot holes.

Actually, it's amazing they didn't end up with more. Steve Kramer, who worked on Robotech (as well as being a VA), at AX said that when they did it, they tried to do the story linear, but due to problemsand issues that lasted all of a few minutes. Robotech was actually dubbed and written out of sequence(were talking all 85 episodes here!), with a few people trying to keep track of everything. There were stories of people literally sleeping in the offices doing all of this.

Plot holes?! WHAT PLOT HOLES.?!

... no really, I've forgotten, and would like to know.

Some problems, such as the whole SDF-2 thing(which was obvious), other problems when they actually translated correctly from the original source material but it wasn't right for 'Robotech'.

However, with this it didn't really effect the whole story overall, and usually the ones who have the biggest issues and arguments over it tend to be either 1)Robotech's detractors(usually the real vocal ones), or 2)the hardcore fan which will go over every episode with a fine tooth comb to get every detail and piece it together.

Besides, look at all the plotholes in G1 Transformers and most of us still love it!

I'm all about mindlessly wanking to Max awesomeness.

Hey, Max in either version is awesome!

Though you may have to wait a bit to see it in Macross 7. Milia, however, is shown kicking ass much earlier as well as doing in her VF - 1! That scene actually kept me watching 7, as I was close to dropping it at that point.

The fact that Robotech has lasted this long that, despite some issues with plotholes, it really shows just how well it was written, as well as the idea's behind it turning it into this multigenerational epic that it was. Hell, if it weren't there wouldn't have been so many fans keeping it alive in some form or another these past twenty years. We quite can't say the same for such other shows, such as Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors.

Macross is an awesome universe in it's own right, and will continue onward, but it can't be said that Robotech isn't it's own entity with it's own life now.

If there's anything that's going to hurt, it's going to be our wallets going after both.

 

[GDGF]

Fuck yes! I thought that this project was cancled it's been so long. I am a happy protoculture addict.

 

[manngc]

Some problems, such as the whole SDF-2 thing(which was obvious), other problems when they actually translated correctly from the original source material but it wasn't right for 'Robotech'.

Do you know some the plot holes? I'm curious to know what they are. And what is the story behind the SDF-2...it didn't exist in the original right?

Mann

 

[Wheeljack539]

Do you know some the plot holes? I'm curious to know what they are. And what is the story behind the SDF-2...it didn't exist in the original right?

Mann

The SDF - 2 was added to make sense of the three mounds seen in Southern Cross. As Macross ended with the ruins of both the SDF-1 and Khyron's cruiser in the lake it was a pretty good setup, but they needed something to explain mound #3. Because of this some awkward dialogue of a ghost ship that couldn't be seen but was referenced was added.

I and a few others got to talk about this with AX with Tommy Yune and he did mention about the problems it caused but they aren't really going to explain that anytime soon(brought up because he had some of his artwork with him that was sent to Udon Comics so they would know what to draw. One of these pictures was the three mounds[in construction] and a ruined Macross city backdrop. The SDF-2 mound was complete, but the one's for SDF-1 and Khyron's crusier were still a ways from being closed off and were exposed).

Other plot holes were how were AJAX Veritechs in the first Robotech Southern Cross episode when they were introduced later (the first Southern Cross episode in Robotech, "Dana's Story" was made from clips of both Southern Cross and Macross to bridge the era's and show who Dana was and her lineage).

As said there was smaller stuff, such as the correct translation of some lines (such as Dana's little brother, which she either has or doesn't[the original character, Jeanne, did have a little brother to be referenced).

Speaking of Dana and family, this person, Maia:

is currently rumored to be the third child of Max and Miriya Sterling, as currently her, and another character are having their family names withheld for the moment, and she was described as being a hotshot pilot. Being voiced by Edie Mirman, who voiced Miriya Sterling, also adds to the speculation. The other character is thought to be either related to Jack Baker from the Sentinels or possibly be a child of Rick and Lisa. HG is currently keeping their mouths shut at the moment on this.

 

[Shouta]

Never at a loss to split hairs Shouta. Your nitpicking and elitism won't change the face of 20 years of Robotech nostalgia!

Incidentally, my shit from ADV arrived today. Did you receive your stuff yet?

I hope next time I can snag Mospeada. :q

Elitism? Where? Some nitpicking sure but I see no elitism yo

I haven't recieved my stuff yet. It'll probably be a little while longer for my stuff to come.

Plot holes?! WHAT PLOT HOLES.?!

... no really, I've forgotten, and would like to know.

SDF-2 was one of them as Wheeljack pointed out. The time progression of the series was also all over the place as I recall and when I tried to make sense of it, it really didn't work. My mind is a bit foggy on that though. There were a few others but I can't recall them fully. I think it's time that I probably go back and watch it again hah.

 

[Wheeljack539]

SDF-2 was one of them as Wheeljack pointed out. The time progression of the series was also all over the place as I recall and when I tried to make sense of it, it really didn't work. My mind is a bit foggy on that though. There were a few others but I can't recall them fully. I think it's time that I probably go back and watch it again hah.

The time between Macross saga and Southern Cross was 15 years, as stated in the episodes, however, the time between Southern Cross and New Generation was never stated, which at a time was so hotly debated that it split the fanbase.

McKinney in his novels placed the Invid Invasion as well as the first waves of the REF reclamation fleet at two years after Southern Cross ended. Other fans argued that it couldn't have been that soon, again, due to what was said in the episodes (for example, in the first episode of New Generation it is pointed out in dialogue that much of the kids fighting were born out in deep space, and have never seen earth at all. That couldn't be true if the return fleet arrived in 2033 like McKinney said). Some, because of this placed arrival at sometime in the 2060s.

The above argument has become known as 'Early Return vs Late Return', and had staunch defenders on both sides.

While this was going on HG did nothing, as they couldn't, as many who worked on Robotech weren't there anymore, and to make matters worse, much of the people who worked for HG jumped ship in the early 90s for Saban Entertainment. Since there was noone to 'mind the store' HG would give out the licenses who would do whatever they wanted to with Robotech. HG wouldn't know what to correct as those people remaining were either more interested in the fees or they couldn't correct and watch over the licensees because they didn't know what to correct(or both). It wouldn't be until the late 90s/early 2000 when a new group was hired to handle Robotech, who happened to be very big fans of the show themselves. This is the same group who's working on the new movie today.

They did anger one of the factions when they finally put some of these arguments to rest by finally giving a solid timelne. After going through arguments, debates, and research they decided once and for all to go with a modified Late Return. Basically, the Invid did invade in 2031, but some of the first forces didn't arrive until 2038 (this was Lancer's group, confirming that he was Expeditionary Force and not Southern Cross as some theorized). Scott's group, when New Generation starts in 2042, and takes two years for him to make it to Reflex Point. So it's 2044 when the Regess leaves and when the new movie starts.

 

[Fix]

Dammit, I misread this as a new Robocop and got all excited.

 

[Silent Death]

The time between Macross saga and Southern Cross was 15 years, as stated in the episodes, however, the time between Southern Cross and New Generation was never stated, which at a time was so hotly debated that it split the fanbase.

McKinney in his novels placed the Invid Invasion as well as the first waves of the REF reclamation fleet at two years after Southern Cross ended. Other fans argued that it couldn't have been that soon, again, due to what was said in the episodes (for example, in the first episode of New Generation it is pointed out in dialogue that much of the kids fighting were born out in deep space, and have never seen earth at all. That couldn't be true if the return fleet arrived in 2033 like McKinney said). Some, because of this placed arrival at sometime in the 2060s.

The above argument has become known as 'Early Return vs Late Return', and had staunch defenders on both sides.

While this was going on HG did nothing, as they couldn't, as many who worked on Robotech weren't there anymore, and to make matters worse, much of the people who worked for HG jumped ship in the early 90s for Saban Entertainment. Since there was noone to 'mind the store' HG would give out the licenses who would do whatever they wanted to with Robotech. HG wouldn't know what to correct as those people remaining were either more interested in the fees or they couldn't correct and watch over the licensees because they didn't know what to correct(or both). It wouldn't be until the late 90s/early 2000 when a new group was hired to handle Robotech, who happened to be very big fans of the show themselves. This is the same group who's working on the new movie today.

They did anger one of the factions when they finally put some of these arguments to rest by finally giving a solid timelne. After going through arguments, debates, and research they decided once and for all to go with a modified Late Return. Basically, the Invid did invade in 2031, but some of the first forces didn't arrive until 2038 (this was Lancer's group, confirming that he was Expeditionary Force and not Southern Cross as some theorized). Scott's group, when New Generation starts in 2042, and takes two years for him to make it to Reflex Point. So it's 2044 when the Regess leaves and when the new movie starts.

I thought McKinney tried to fix the timeline issue, in the books by having the Expeditionary Force find out that space folding wasn't actually instantaneous as they had originally thought. It seemed instantaneous to the people on the inside but to the rest of the universe time travel at the same rate. They found out that while they thought they had just folded to the Robotech Masters home world in fact 5 years had passed. So assuming the Regis' space folding had the same problems as the Earth/Zentradi ones then she should have gotten to Earth 5 years after the End of the Robotech Masters War. He also said that Scott was one of the many children born on the Zentradi space station that they used to build the SDF3 in. Those children never went to Earth. Also after they defeated the Regent the books mentioned during the time they were building the fleet for the return to Earth there was a baby boom and that a lot of the crew members had never seen earth, so to inspire them they named the attack wings after planets in the solar system, i.e. Jupiter, Mars...

 

[isamu]

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute.....was Big Daddy himself, Carl Macek at this RoboCon?

 

[Wheeljack539]

I thought McKinney tried to fix the timeline issue, in the books by having the Expeditionary Force find out that space folding wasn't actually instantaneous as they had originally thought. It seemed instantaneous to the people on the inside but to the rest of the universe time travel at the same rate. They found out that while they thought they had just folded to the Robotech Masters home world in fact 5 years had passed. So assuming the Regis' space folding had the same problems as the Earth/Zentradi ones then she should have gotten to Earth 5 years after the End of the Robotech Masters War. He also said that Scott was one of the many children born on the Zentradi space station that they used to build the SDF3 in.

That's one of the tricks he tried, one reason was keeping all the original Macross cast at a reasonable and still somewhat young age by the time of the Invid Invasion. For some fans this seems like a weak plot point. Harmony Gold could have feasably said this is how the way it was but they didn't, allowing for debate to continue.

As for Scott being born on the factory sattelite, I must admit I don't remember reading this and I can't find the page from the novels I have. If this was the case then Scott would've made planetfall at some point, and have encountered 'rain' in some fashion prior to his shock in the first episode. However, that doesn't negate the "We were all born out in deep space on a Robotech ship" line, and most of those kids were apparently in their late teens/early twenties. In the novels timeline the SDF-3 left in 2020, so those kids, factoring in the 5 year loss would have been less than 10 years old at the time of the Invid Invasion had they been born later.

As I said, those debates were pretty nasty back in the day, and even though HG has finally put thier foot down on a solid date there are some who are still insisting on early return.

It all seems pretty damn confusing looking at it from the outside, I'll give ya that. I sorta envy many of the new fans who didn't have to through that....

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute.....was Big Daddy himself, Carl Macek at this RoboCon?

Carl knew about it, but wasn't able to make it. Same thing happened with Melora Harte(who played Musica in Southern Cross, and is married to Steve Kramer[Angelo Dante], who was able to attend) and Greg Snegoff (Khyron, Scott Bernard), as they were scheduled but couldn't make it either.

 

[isamu]

Carl knew about it, but wasn't able to make it. Same thing happened with Melora Harte(who played Musica in Southern Cross, and is married to Steve Kramer[Angelo Dante], who was able to attend) and Greg Snegoff (Khyron, Scott Bernard), as they were scheduled but couldn't make it either.

Then it's official.....

10th anniversary>>>>>>>20th anniversary. A RoboCon is not a RoboCon without Carl Macek.

 

[Tamanon]

That's one of the tricks he tried, one reason was keeping all the original Macross cast at a reasonable and still somewhat young age by the time of the Invid Invasion. For some fans this seems like a weak plot point. Harmony Gold could have feasably said this is how the way it was but they didn't, allowing for debate to continue.

As for Scott being born on the factory sattelite, I must admit I don't remember reading this and I can't find the page from the novels I have. If this was the case then Scott would've made planetfall at some point, and have encountered 'rain' in some fashion prior to his shock in the first episode. However, that doesn't negate the "We were all born out in deep space on a Robotech ship" line, and most of those kids were apparently in their late teens/early twenties. In the novels timeline the SDF-3 left in 2020, so those kids, factoring in the 5 year loss would have been less than 10 years old at the time of the Invid Invasion had they been born later.

Actually, according to the novels, Scott was born on Tirol, the Master's homeworld.

 

[Daigoro]

god i used to love this show when it aired on TV in the US way back when.

its been so long since ive been able to see most of the episodes though. i did pick up the first dvd when they started to release them here. i havent kept up though.

i LOVED the invid invasion stuff. but its been so long im sure a lot of the series has kind of melted into one big murky memory by now.

i rember being very moved when the seires was wrapping up. i never wanted it to end.

are there good books about Robotech?

are there better collections than the US ones that were release on DVD in the US?

im not sure where to start back up trying to get back into it.

 

[Blackace]

Elitism? Where? Some nitpicking sure but I see no elitism yo

I haven't recieved my stuff yet. It'll probably be a little while longer for my stuff to come.



SDF-2 was one of them as Wheeljack pointed out. The time progression of the series was also all over the place as I recall and when I tried to make sense of it, it really didn't work. My mind is a bit foggy on that though. There were a few others but I can't recall them fully. I think it's time that I probably go back and watch it again hah.

I feel you Shota... but you don't think that the American version is better? Most the time I am all for the Japanese version of anything if it came from Japan.. but not in the case of Robotech..

 

[Tamanon]

god i used to love this show when it aired on TV in the US way back when.

its been so long since ive been able to see most of the episodes though. i did pick up the first dvd when they started to release them here. i havent kept up though.

i LOVED the invid invasion stuff. but its been so long im sure a lot of the series has kind of melted into one big murky memory by now.

i rember being very moved when the seires was wrapping up. i never wanted it to end.

are there good books about Robotech?

are there better collections than the US ones that were release on DVD in the US?

im not sure where to start back up trying to get back into it.

collection wise, they're still releasing digital remasters. Bookwise, the novelization of the series and some offshoots(22 books total haha) are by Jack McKinney, all book stores still stock them.

 

[Blackace]

collection wise, they're still releasing digital remasters. Bookwise, the novelization of the series and some offshoots(22 books total haha) are by Jack McKinney, all book stores still stock them.

as much as I love the series... Jack McKinney is a bad writer... at least his early books were quite...ummm... shitty

 

[Shouta]

I feel you Shota... but you don't think that the American version is better? Most the time I am all for the Japanese version of anything if it came from Japan.. but not in the case of Robotech..

No, the American versions aren't better. They just have this epic feeling to them because of the way Macek hacked around them. When you break it down, both the Japanese and English versions of Mospeada and Macross are largely intact with only the minor details and a few key concepts fully changed. The difference is that the Japanese version doesn't have the problems that cropped up due to the mixing of the series while the English version of the show has that epic quality with the plot holes. There's a degree of equivalency to them but the American versions aren't better with the exception of Southern Cross where the Japanese version is probably a bajillion times better. I'm also only talking about the TV series themselves and not any of the extensions like the books or the Sentinels.

There is one thing that the Robotech version does do better than the original Japanese versions of the show and that's the music. The Main theme is classic and a lot of the pieces played in the show are just fabulous even if they were reused a bit too much.

And it's Shouta not Shota j00 whorebat!

 

[Blackace]

No, the American versions aren't better. They just have this epic feeling to them because of the way Macek hacked around them. When you break it down, both the Japanese and English versions of Mospeada and Macross are largely intact with only the minor details and a few key concepts fully changed. The difference is that the Japanese version doesn't have the problems that cropped up due to the mixing of the series while the English version of the show has that epic quality with the plot holes. There's a degree of equivalency to them but the American versions aren't better with the exception of Southern Cross where the Japanese version is probably a bajillion times better. I'm also only talking about the TV series themselves and not any of the extensions like the books or the Sentinels.

And it's Shouta not Shota j00 whorebat!

Sho-ta

To each it's own... but give me an epic any day over different stories that share the same name

 

[Shouta]

Sho-ta

Shou-ta. Dun make me bring out the Kanji!

 

[Blackace]

Shou-ta. Dun make me bring out the Kanji!

Shochan?

 

[Tamanon]

as much as I love the series... Jack McKinney is a bad writer... at least his early books were quite...ummm... shitty

Yeah the early books were basically script copies, he only really became a better fit later on, IMO. I enjoyed the books a lot once the SDF-1 was crippled on Earth haha.

 

[Shouta]

Shochan?

Don't make me hurt you! >=(

 

[Blackace]

Don't make me hurt you! >=(

hahah I always thought it was just the long u sound.. I think I always typed it like that Shokun