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Jedeye Sniv

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So I hit up about 10 different comic stores today in the hopes of completing some runs (which I did :D) but now I'm kind of running into a problem. I have no idea how to display them all. I have bookcase where I store my TPBs but where do you guys usually keep issues?

Also speaking of Wonder Woman, anything from this generation that you guys recommend picking up? I'm in the minority that's been liking the New 52 set.

You don't display singles, you hide them in boxes like a secret shame. But really, I can't think of any way of 'displaying' them that would be anything other than massively space consuming and damaging to the books themselves.
 
Well, I'm not the one who does a somewhat important thing like say have Silver Sable's death mess up Spidey's psyche pretty badly but just a few months later undoes it and says "NNNNNOPE she's still alive". I'm not the one having the Lizard enacts the stupidest plan ever. I'm not the one who gets No One's Favourite Character Carlie Cooper foil said plans by catching a detail anyone with half a brain would've caught except apparently for Peter Parker, but don't worry guys he's still the super-duper smartest.

I'm not saying I'd be a better Spider-Man writer. I'm saying a hobo on meth would.

Carlie Cooper is my favorite. Time to get out from behind the desk of your Aspersions casting session.
 
Do you think it's worth getting Batman: The Man Who Laughs plus Batman: Dead to Rights as I've heard that it cover the Joker's first story or should I just get The Killing Joke?

The chronology from Batman: Year One onwards is bloody confusing isn't it.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Wonder Woman Covers
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OMG uncle had this book.
Haha, man this reminds me of being a kid, i can actually smell comic paper right now....so good.

I almost miss those quirky covers, but i dont think many outside of Deadpool, Spiderman, The Question (maybe Daredevil) could really pull this off today.

But yeah, i feel for you ida loved to get a "proper" cover, the new cover looks like ass.
As long as the innards are unmolested i could let this slide....this time.

I've been reading the Ame Comi stuff. It's dumb but I like it. I assume it's because I like dumb stuff though.

The Ame-Comi stuff is so dumb, i dont even know why im following this shit.
Ok i know i bought Ame-Comi Wonder Woman because....just because, then i couldnt stop......but i think im gonna stop now.
 

Owzers

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I gave Masks and Mobsters #1 from Monkeybrain a shot at comixology, it was mostly good and i don't regret buying it, but i didn't like the main resolution at the end.

Also, Flash #9 > #10, there was a certain amount of talking gorillas missing from #10.
 
Well, I'm not the one who does a somewhat important thing like say have Silver Sable's death mess up Spidey's psyche pretty badly but just a few months later undoes it and says "NNNNNOPE she's still alive". I'm not the one having the Lizard enacts the stupidest plan ever. I'm not the one who gets No One's Favourite Character Carlie Cooper foil said plans by catching a detail anyone with half a brain would've caught except apparently for Peter Parker, but don't worry guys he's still the super-duper smartest.

I'm not saying I'd be a better Spider-Man writer. I'm saying a hobo on meth would.

1) I imagine that will help messing with his psyche. It'll probably lead into #700, with Spidey's obsession with no one dying - it's going somewhere.
2) Lizard's plans have always been stupid, come on now
3) IIRC, she was the first one to see him - the arm kept growing back, and he cut off the wrong one the second(?) time. I don't know HOW, but hey.
 
I just got my copy of Mark Waid's Daredevil. God, trade waiting paid off. What an absolutely gorgeous book. It's the pinnacle of comic book art. The writing is so good too. Damn.
 
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1) I imagine that will help messing with his psyche. It'll probably lead into #700, with Spidey's obsession with no one dying - it's going somewhere.
2) Lizard's plans have always been stupid, come on now
3) IIRC, she was the first one to see him - the arm kept growing back, and he cut off the wrong one the second(?) time. I don't know HOW, but hey.

If that was his attempt to refute Slott's "people complain on the basis of vague spoilers is dumb" point, he's doing a rather good job of actually proving it.
 

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
Do you think it's worth getting Batman: The Man Who Laughs plus Batman: Dead to Rights as I've heard that it cover the Joker's first story or should I just get The Killing Joke?

The chronology from Batman: Year One onwards is bloody confusing isn't it.

It's as confusing as you want to make it. AFAIK the canon 'origin' for Joker is the Killing Joke. The Man Who Laughs is a straight up sequel to the Killing Joke. It's fair to middling, nothing quite as revolutionary as Killing Joke but I remember enjoying it. From there you could probably move on to the Long Halloween and Dark Victory before being let loose on wild continuity.

I am a total comics snob so feel free to disregard this, but Dead to Rights is an even more modern story by some really b-grade creators. It is far far far from essential, and is what you might call "shitty shelf filler" from a short lived shitty shelf filler series.

I actually had this conversation the other night with my missus who asked for some good Joker stories and it's sad to say that there aren't many. I have this old collection called The Greatest Joker Stories ever Told, I think it came out shortly after the 89 Batman movie, and it's got some fun if anachronistic stories in there from all ages of comics, including the classic Denny O'Neil jokerfish stories. There's also a good collection of the Engelheart Detective Comics run from the early 80s called Strange Apparitions that I remember being half-decent.

The next essential Joker tales would be Killing Joke and A Death in the Family. Killing Joke is still good today, but A Death in The Family has aged quite badly (because Jim Aparo was a hack :p) - it's the famous tale where Joker kills Jason Todd and it's important in context more than execution. After that there was a great little run in Batman around #450 that closed that story up but it was never collected. The next you really see Joker is in Knightfall and Quest. I really like these stories but there's a lot in there that's non-Joker too.

There's a Robin miniseries (I think it's called Robin II, I don't think it's collected) where Tim Drake faces robin alone. There was a good one-shot anniversary issue (Detective #727?). He pops up later to become a major part of No Man's Land and my favourite Joker stuiff is in there I think (a combination of good art and writing).

He shows up a the tail end of the War Games debacle and is tied in to the whole return of Jason Todd stuff but tbh I wouldn't recommend it. He's really good in Hush though I thought. There was a really good Azzarello/Bermejo GN a few years back called 'Joker', that was fantastic. He plays a fairly large role in Grant Morrison's Black Glove/Batman opus (google it for a reading order, but stay away if you don't like 'weird' comics), and I think his appearances in that arc are some of the best Joker stuff I've ever read.

Paul Dini did some way more mainstream-friendly Joker stuff in his run but bth after was Morrison was doing at the same time I couldn't shake the dissonance between the portrayals.

So, erm that's a lot of words saying that there are essentially not a lot of great Joker stories. He is part of a lot of FANTASTIC stuff (No Man's Land, Black Glove saga, Knightfall) but there are not too many defining runs purely featuring the character. Hopefully this will change soon since in a month or two Scott Snyder will be starting a Joker focused story over in Batman. And speaking of Snyder, his Black Mirror story was brilliant and featured a chilling Joker role (and the best Joker cover in history).

Also, a while back I posted a fairly thorough Batman reading order, you can find it here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25562819&postcount=124

(I should really stop replying to batman questions, it's a sickness. I have all this information... nobody ever asks for it IRL...!)
 

Owzers

Member
How far are we from better digital pricing? I saw that Debris #1 got a really good review from IGN and if it keeps getting good buzzzzzzz i'll probably pick up the trade. I saw that it was available day and date through comixology and i debated getting it for about 5 seconds before the $2.99 reminded me why i don't buy regular books digitally. I could possibly get dcbs to add it to my order if they have any copies, and it would be 1.75. Digital comics not even trying to be price competitive seems ridiculous Xo. This digital pricing might not be going anywhere soon, it reminds me of ridiculously priced movie downloads compared to how competitive music mp3 albums have gotten between google and amazon.
 

Garryk

Member
Jeff Lemire's new graphic novel "The Underwater Welder" just came out yesterday. It's list price is $19.95, but on Comixology it is $9.99. I imagine the seed for digital discounts will be planted in indie books. Once it grows enough it will eventually spread to the bigger publishers.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
That may have been too much Remender in one week.

The well of secret societies of super-villain team-ups in underground cities is running a little dry, especially killing off people every damn issue. Loving the art on Secret Avengers though, and Venom has been a thrilling ride. My love for Uncanny X-Force is dying though, because I don't think Remenders hitting that right balance of peace-time and wartime. When people are just getting shitted on every issue, you get desensitised to it. I hate the dumb magic "no sorrow" thing he's slapped on Betsy as well.

Of WatXM: The Phoenix Force has made Colossus a borderline rapist now as well I see. Super weak ending as well with some peoples tails between their legs and no questions asked. Toad is the secret star of this book. My word.
 

Cheska

Member
You don't display singles, you hide them in boxes like a secret shame. But really, I can't think of any way of 'displaying' them that would be anything other than massively space consuming and damaging to the books themselves.

Maybe displaying was the wrong term to use. Is boxing them up usually the most common solution then?
 

Garryk

Member
Maybe displaying was the wrong term to use. Is boxing them up usually the most common solution then?
Longboxes are the way to go, but if you can't get them locally they can get pricey with shipping. I get my stuff at BCW Supplies and the shipping costs more than the box.
 

Owzers

Member
Maybe displaying was the wrong term to use. Is boxing them up usually the most common solution then?

I display my single issues on ebay :) I tend to keep some for sentimental/collection reasons though, and they live in short boxes in my closet. I've heard some talk about "comic cubes" for storage, they seem okay but expensive.
 

Gartooth

Member
I was beginning to worry about Uncanny X-Force during the Otherworld arc (I had no clue what was going on half the time, it was just nonsense), but things are finally ramping up after these last few issues!

Fantomex being killed still saddens me. Even though I knew nothing about him prior to this series, he grew on me quickly as one of my favorite members of the team.
 

Owzers

Member
Marvel Digital Codes included with 3.99 books? AWESOME!

*redeems codes for my copies of Ultimate Comics Ultimate Ultimates 7-12.

Get to 8, it gives me a copy of Avengers Assembled #2.

Get to 9, there is no code in the back, just the instructions on how to redeem it.



whahtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. Sent their online support an email.....i do want those codes :O
 
It's as confusing as you want to make it. AFAIK the canon 'origin' for Joker is the Killing Joke. The Man Who Laughs is a straight up sequel to the Killing Joke. It's fair to middling, nothing quite as revolutionary as Killing Joke but I remember enjoying it. From there you could probably move on to the Long Halloween and Dark Victory before being let loose on wild continuity.

I am a total comics snob so feel free to disregard this, but Dead to Rights is an even more modern story by some really b-grade creators. It is far far far from essential, and is what you might call "shitty shelf filler" from a short lived shitty shelf filler series.

I actually had this conversation the other night with my missus who asked for some good Joker stories and it's sad to say that there aren't many. I have this old collection called The Greatest Joker Stories ever Told, I think it came out shortly after the 89 Batman movie, and it's got some fun if anachronistic stories in there from all ages of comics, including the classic Denny O'Neil jokerfish stories. There's also a good collection of the Engelheart Detective Comics run from the early 80s called Strange Apparitions that I remember being half-decent.

The next essential Joker tales would be Killing Joke and A Death in the Family. Killing Joke is still good today, but A Death in The Family has aged quite badly (because Jim Aparo was a hack :p) - it's the famous tale where Joker kills Jason Todd and it's important in context more than execution. After that there was a great little run in Batman around #450 that closed that story up but it was never collected. The next you really see Joker is in Knightfall and Quest. I really like these stories but there's a lot in there that's non-Joker too.

There's a Robin miniseries (I think it's called Robin II, I don't think it's collected) where Tim Drake faces robin alone. There was a good one-shot anniversary issue (Detective #727?). He pops up later to become a major part of No Man's Land and my favourite Joker stuiff is in there I think (a combination of good art and writing).

He shows up a the tail end of the War Games debacle and is tied in to the whole return of Jason Todd stuff but tbh I wouldn't recommend it. He's really good in Hush though I thought. There was a really good Azzarello/Bermejo GN a few years back called 'Joker', that was fantastic. He plays a fairly large role in Grant Morrison's Black Glove/Batman opus (google it for a reading order, but stay away if you don't like 'weird' comics), and I think his appearances in that arc are some of the best Joker stuff I've ever read.

Paul Dini did some way more mainstream-friendly Joker stuff in his run but bth after was Morrison was doing at the same time I couldn't shake the dissonance between the portrayals.

So, erm that's a lot of words saying that there are essentially not a lot of great Joker stories. He is part of a lot of FANTASTIC stuff (No Man's Land, Black Glove saga, Knightfall) but there are not too many defining runs purely featuring the character. Hopefully this will change soon since in a month or two Scott Snyder will be starting a Joker focused story over in Batman. And speaking of Snyder, his Black Mirror story was brilliant and featured a chilling Joker role (and the best Joker cover in history).

Also, a while back I posted a fairly thorough Batman reading order, you can find it here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25562819&postcount=124

(I should really stop replying to batman questions, it's a sickness. I have all this information... nobody ever asks for it IRL...!)

Wow, thanks for the in depth answer and the link. I've seen knightfall mentioned in revered tones in a few places now so I'll defiantly be picking that up. I'll probably leave the man who laughs for now and pick it up later if I see it cheap. I must have spent nearly £200 over the last week on batman comics! I have bought a couple of absolutes though. I've just seens Rises for the second time so I'm defiantly going to sit down with year one and kick off my batman education haha
 

Ravager61

Member
I was reading the newest issue of Nightwing and this sentence is spoken:

"We're both trying to solve who killed the your friends."

Am I drunk or does this make absolutely no sense? Great editing job DC.
 

rCIZZLE

Member
Maybe displaying was the wrong term to use. Is boxing them up usually the most common solution then?

For things like complete runs, yes typically they're put in longboxes. You can always decorate with some of your most prized ones, though. I have a buddy with a couple on a shelf behind his TV.
 
I was reading the newest issue of Nightwing and this sentence is spoken:

"We're both trying to solve who killed the your friends."

Am I drunk or does this make absolutely no sense? Great editing job DC.
"Your Friends" is obviously the name of some folk-pop tribute band inspired by the hit NBC show, and should have been capitalized.
 

Owzers

Member
Hmmmm i only have to avoid massive spoilers for two days since dcbs got my shipment out a little earlier than usual, though uncanny x-force 27 was already partly spoiled thanks to nba gaf + somewhat obvious hints by Remender. I think one of Walking Dead #100's alternative covers spoiled a character death too, but that could go either way.

Spoilers don't go well with monthly shipping :(
 

Gartooth

Member
Does anyone know where I can read Guardians of the Galaxy issues #19-25 digitally? I checked Marvel and Comixology, and they both only go from #1-18.
 

Owzers

Member
Andddddd new comixology sale brings more buying recommendations:

Incredible Hercules #113-115, and then the 116-120 really good Secret Invasion tie-in that was one of the few bright spots of that event.

Definitely worth checking out even though they aren't offering a full series run.

250px-Incredible_Hercules_113.jpg
 
Secret Invasion was SHIT, but it had a LOT of good tie-ins. Incredible Herc, Black Panther, Thor, Deadpool, Captain Britain, Punisher: War Journal...
 

tm24

Member
Andddddd new comixology sale brings more buying recommendations:

Incredible Hercules #113-115, and then the 116-120 really good Secret Invasion tie-in that was one of the few bright spots of that event.

Definitely worth checking out even though they aren't offering a full series run.

250px-Incredible_Hercules_113.jpg

Oh man, the scene involving Ares and Wonder Man made me realize that book was going to be amazing.
 

Cheska

Member
Courtesy of T.T.O.B :D

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Absolutely love both pieces and plan on framing them soon.



I think we should kickstart a comic and have T.T.O.B work his magic and provide more great pieces!
 

Cheska

Member
Did you commison TTOB to do that?

I'd love to have a Wondy pic done like that.

Yeah, he posted last week to see if any of us had any interest in card commissions. Unfortunately he got banned right after that :( I don't know if he's still open for commissions but you could probably contact him via Twitter.
 

Garryk

Member
So is Wonder Woman #12 the end of the Zola story arc or is that going to continue throughout Azzarello's run?

EDIT: While I'm on the WW subject, wasn't this supposed to be a horror book? I like the grim depictions of the Gods, but the settings/story haven't come close to creepy. Even the Underworld was pretty bland.
 

Dance Inferno

Unconfirmed Member
Reading The Flash right now, and I'm very impressed at the proper use of the word "data." As in, "the data are clear." I can't understand why so many people misuse this word.
 

Garryk

Member
Reading The Flash right now, and I'm very impressed at the proper use of the word "data." As in, "the data are clear." I can't understand why so many people misuse this word.
Most people don't know that datum is a word much less the singular form of data.

Also, I blame Star Trek: TNG.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
there is so much quality stuff getting put out right now, it really feels rewarding to be a fan of comics.

UXF 28 - like the new artist, like the new direction the story's going. i miss fantomex.
American Vampire 29 - still as "on" as it's ever been. probably the coolest vampire related stuff out today.
The Manhattan Projects 5 - OK it took a little bit, but now this series is really gearing up and i'm liking what i see for the most part.

Fatale 5 - i know i'm a month behind but i just wanted to say how god damned mind blowing this series is. the first 5 issues form this beautiful noir lovecraftian arc.

Prophet 27 - haven't read yet
 

Mifune

Mehmber
Reading The Flash right now, and I'm very impressed at the proper use of the word "data." As in, "the data are clear." I can't understand why so many people misuse this word.

So do you go around using the word "datum"?

This is one case where the incorrect usage is the more common usage and therefore the correct usage. In fact, I think both are technically correct.
 
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