BenjaminBirdie
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His early early X-Men stuff is, yeah, not the greatest. It's not until around Days Of Future Past and a few issues before that where things really start to cook. And then it's a good 150 issues after that of greatness, IIRC.
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His early early X-Men stuff is, yeah, not the greatest. It's not until around Days Of Future Past and a few issues before that where things really start to cook. And then it's a good 150 issues after that of greatness, IIRC.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
As long as you don't read any of his post-1991 non-Xtreme X-Men work, you're golden
So they really had Wolverine stick to the Avengers the entire run?
I mean I know Logan has a hard on for Cap probably second only to Tony, but Jesus I thought they would at least have him conflicted more over it.
If it wasn't for Wolverine leading a group of X Men at this point I really think it would be alot easier to call him a straight Avenger's member regardless of how many X's they stick on his damn costume.
krypt0nian
Banned
And after reading some recently linked stuff, a lot of that wasn't his fault, but rather editorial CONSTANTLY pulling the rug out from under him.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
He was less pro-Cap and more anti-Scott. And it got pretty conflicted as Cap chucked Wolverine out of a plane into Antarctica.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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He wrote like that on purpose with the intent of it sounding unique and not really natural. He was studying to be a playwright And it shows in his work. It takes a while to appriciate it but its completely different from the way most comics were written back then even if doesnt sound like it. He also got a hell of a lot better at it as he went on. Those early issues can be rough.
Supermanisdead
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Claremont doesn't really get going until Dark Phoenix Saga. It's decent before, but after that event, he just goes hard and fast.
Best Claremont issue/best comic ever written: Uncanny X-Men 186. They recently reprinted this along with Lifedeath 2, and a few other Barry Windsor Smith illustrated comics in the Lifedeath hardcover. Forge and Storm = greatest love story ever. I might have pimped this in previous threads, but goddamn, I could re-read it all day.
Best Claremont issue/best comic ever written: Uncanny X-Men 186. They recently reprinted this along with Lifedeath 2, and a few other Barry Windsor Smith illustrated comics in the Lifedeath hardcover. Forge and Storm = greatest love story ever. I might have pimped this in previous threads, but goddamn, I could re-read it all day.
The plane thing gets me everytime.
Maybe it's because of the internet reception but I laugh even thinking about it. Probably because most people always talk about it as if Cap and Logan are good one page before then suddenly Cap freak and clocks Wolvy and chucks him out a plane.
I can't wait to get to that one after this entire run is done so I can see the entire carnval of stuipd in a single go.
Still don't understand why he did that. One second shit is cool, and the next, Cap and Giant-Man are in Wolvie's ass.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I've been converting all my shit to digi with the free codes in pretty much every Marvel book now, so it's like rill easy to just kick back and do a sweet reread. Seriously I used to have to sift through stacks and stacks and stacks.
The entire crux of AvX was less Avengers Vs. X-men and more like Avengers + everybody with common sense Vs. the Phoenix force and people on a pro-mutant power trip. There was never much of an "X-Men" side to the battle and even the people that were on Cyclops' side early in the even ended up jumping ship by about the halfway point, including all the defectors from the Jean Grey School (like Iceman and those guys). Wolverine just had the sense to realize Cyclops was being retarded before most.
krypt0nian
Banned
Mmmm Lifedeath I & II are some of my fave comics ever.
THERE'S A LIFEDEATH HC?!?!?
THERE'S A LIFEDEATH HC?!?!?
thanks, now i feel good jumping right into UA!
As I mentioned I haven't read it as I'm waiting for the run to be over.
However reading spoilers and other stuff, it really seems like Wolverine was the only one who reallys stayed in character even half the time out of the big names.
Cap seemed really bi polar at best and Scott went from Dickhead to Super Dick and Wolverine was kinda like WTF???!!!.
Granted I kinda stopped at the plane thing. The first time I read it I laughed my ass off thinking Cap would suddenly do that despite how in love Wolverine has been with him the last few years.
krypt0nian
Banned
Grab all the Slott runs. So gud.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I dont own it but id be wary of buying it given barry windsor smiths opinion of how marvel has handled reprinting his art
That issue he did with wolverine and lady deathstrike was also awesome
krypt0nian
Banned
Crap. I'll have to flip through it then. Almost Amazon'd it.
Supermanisdead
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The funniest part of AvX was how Storm originally was asked/begged by Scott to stay so that his team of villains don't lose it, but then she watches as the team of villains loses it. AvX just out of nowhere ruined any long term plan by Gillen.
krypt0nian
Banned
Gillen's run being cut short is AvX's biggest fault. Dude NAILED the X-Men.
Can't say I mind this as I found her choice in Schism to be BS anyway.
Storm has a great feel and could really train a nurture the children of the school. The choice for to stay at the island with Scott is second only to my WTF?! BS list to her and Panther's wedding.
EDIT:
Here is a question for the more common readers.
Does Ms Marvel really equal Thor even when he is serious?
My daughter has been watching Super Hero Squad and while that isn't anything serious they did the same in EMH. I didn't think she was quite on his level when he wasn't holding back, but EMH seems to paint that she is either his equal or above him.
This, except skip Alpha. He was a little bitch and went out like a punk.
Supermanisdead
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Yeah, such a shame how Sinister London and the Madelyne Clones were being built up, but then the Phoenix is just "how about no."
Yeah, I was annoyed at first about that too, but it would have been cool to see Storm take over shit as soon as it went sour.
krypt0nian
Banned
I didn't hate the run at all. But some did so obviously YMMV.
I think he set up a new Molecule Man/Graviton level foe, and for that I'm greatful.
People keep saying this but I thought his post-Schism stuff was kinda spotty. The Sinister stuff was ok, the Tabula Rasa stuff was boooooooring. The best stuff from Uncanny v2 has been the AvX tie ins. Even pre-Schism that Quarantine arc was super bland, but the Breaking Point arc was good. I don't think Gillen had two stellar arcs back to back the entire time he was writing it.
krypt0nian
Banned
Gotta disagree.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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http://www.barrywindsor-smith.com/studio/bwsbio23.html
There ya go. Hes talking about weapon x so maybe lifedeath is better. Who knows.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Yes.
Is it really? I was thinking of picking up the trade. Or at least the Batwoman crossover.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
To be fair, if you're thinking of buying it because another character appears in it for an issue then you might really like it.
Edit: I'm sorry, that was unnecessarily snarky. Maybe you should still go for it though, and if you don't like it you can join me on team snark. And if you do like it then you can join Krypt0 on team love everything and fight against the evils of snark.
Escape Goat
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If you like X-Men and don't want Marvel Editorial interference then start reading X-Factor.
Supermanisdead
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Speaking of Batgirl, have Cass Cain and Stephanie Brown shown up in the new continuity yet?
Vermillion
Banned
Depends on whether or not she's Binary. Even then, Thor is probably significantly stronger. She becomes Binary when she makes a connection to a white hole. Strong enough to destroy a world at that point. By accident.
God, what a douche. "Leave your measurements." Incredible.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Batman Inc special. Best Batgirl story ever.
The reason you don't get many good Batgirl stories is because they don't put good writers and artists on them for the most part. I thought the Stephanie Batgirl series was really lukewarm (and I really hated the costume after the tease of the #1 cover), and the Damion Scott Cass stuff was really pretty but very light on substance.
I think my favourite Batgirl stories are Spoiler stories...
What would a good Batgirl story be anyway? Does Teen + girl = light and fluffy, or is there somewhere original and meaty you could take the character?
Lol. I mean, I was just going to buy that one issue, and then get the trade if I liked it. Barnes and Noble is still doing that "Buy 2, Get 1 free deal" so I was gonna get it in that.
Can I just ride the bench between the two teams? I do try to be positive, but I also do love my snark.
I'm not so sure that's what he set up at all... that closing narration reeks of foreshadowing something very different.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
I reckon you should totally buy the issue digitally to see if you like it, but don't expect great shakes. There's only so much you can do with these 'guest star' issues in 20 pages beyond "hey you exist / now we fight / oh we have to punch something that isn't each other / so long and thanks for all the fish"
Man, the New 52 has made me super bitter. I've seen behind the curtain, I think I've been reading comics too long, the magic is dying for me... Thank god for WatXM...
I haven't read that in a minute. The AvX tie-ins killed it for me. Reckon I'll pick up some back issues this week.
I dunno, it wasn't his best though. Coming off the Lizard arc I suppose I just expected more, there have been some fun arcs in his run but this wasn't one of them.
To be fair, not every arc is going to be a winner. I've been enjoying Slott writing Spider-man though. It's a fun book.
krypt0nian
Banned
Yup time to wrap it up if you didn't see the charm and overall joie de vivre of Steph's Batgirl run. Cold dark heart.
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slightconfuse
Banned
I think im in the minority but i really like new exiles
crimsonspider89
Banned
The Alpha arc is doing two things people aren't noticing.
1) It is demonstrating who Peter could of been without Aunt May and Uncle Ben
2) It is steadily showing a change in Peter's philosophy as a hero
I think those two points are important points for the future.
1) It is demonstrating who Peter could of been without Aunt May and Uncle Ben
2) It is steadily showing a change in Peter's philosophy as a hero
I think those two points are important points for the future.
I can see argument one, but could you explain two?
Slott is building towards 700, at least he claims to be doing so.
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