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COMICS! |OT| March 2014. Longshot and Domino are hogging all the four-leaf clovers!

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Fraction needs to write books in the vein of isolated indie style books and not big team books.

His UXM suffered heavily from Cyke wank and had no idea of how to write any character outside of Cyke and Kurt.

His Emma and Mags was cringeworthy.

But his Hawkeye and IF is where his strength lies.

I agree with this, and it's interesting to me because I'd say the same is true of Bendis but for very different reasons...Fraction can keep a great rhythm going in a large-scale book, he doesn't often lose the voices of his characters in a group, but his plotting leaves a lot to be desired. His small-scale stuff suffers from plotting issues, too, though his comic timing is virtually unmatched in the format. It shines in books like Hawkeye or Sex Criminals, but gets lost in all the story problems in the books where those things matter more.
 

CorvoSol

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The art in Spider-Island was fine until this one shot where the Spider-Criminals are on the loose. I think this woman making the Clone Saga quip is MJ, but her face is so weird that IDK.

Now hold on. Peter and MJ broke up in this Satan-inspired universe, and on bad terms, right? Like, on their wedding day bad terms? And yet she still calls him to remind him about Aunt May, all of his friends know her and she knows them, and she still calls him Tiger?

So, aside from Parker having license to bone other women, what actually changed in their relationship?
 
The art in Spider-Island was fine until this one shot where the Spider-Criminals are on the loose. I think this woman making the Clone Saga quip is MJ, but her face is so weird that IDK.

Now hold on. Peter and MJ broke up in this Satan-inspired universe, and on bad terms, right? Like, on their wedding day bad terms? And yet she still calls him to remind him about Aunt May, all of his friends know her and she knows them, and she still calls him Tiger?

So, aside from Parker having license to bone other women, what actually changed in their relationship?

Does she have red hair? MJ's like the only woman in new york with red hair.
 

Messi

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If I remember right this next arc in Zero Year, Savage City, will be an Ivy centered one.

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I did not know that. But it is music to my ears. Can't wait to see Capullos version of Ivy.
 

B-Dubs

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The art in Spider-Island was fine until this one shot where the Spider-Criminals are on the loose. I think this woman making the Clone Saga quip is MJ, but her face is so weird that IDK.

Now hold on. Peter and MJ broke up in this Satan-inspired universe, and on bad terms, right? Like, on their wedding day bad terms? And yet she still calls him to remind him about Aunt May, all of his friends know her and she knows them, and she still calls him Tiger?

So, aside from Parker having license to bone other women, what actually changed in their relationship?

I'm guessing you just jumped into Spider-Island without reading anything else from Brand New Day and Big Time? The status-quo was changed a lot in these two and a lot of stuff in Spider-Island is built up during Big Time. You're missing out on a lot of story at the moment.
 

CorvoSol

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I'm guessing you just jumped into Spider-Island without reading anything else from Brand New Day and Big Time? The status-quo was changed a lot in these two and a lot of stuff in Spider-Island is built up during Big Time. You're missing out on a lot of story at the moment.

Yeah I got the bullet points version of BND and I did not read any of Big Time. This is my first Spidey comic in a long, long time actually.
 

B-Dubs

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Yeah I got the bullet points version of BND and I did not read any of Big Time. This is my first Spidey comic in a long, long time actually.

Well then you should know right now that Peter doesn't have his Spidey-sense, he lost it during Big Time when he fought Scorpion and the Spider-Slayers. To make up for it he learned kung-fu from Shang-chi.

Also Rick Reminder wrote a great Venom book that crossed-over with Spider-Island.
 

ReiGun

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"Teen Titans: Earth One" by Lemire and Dodson.

I'm throwing money at my computer screen, but nothing is happening you guys. Should...should I throw more?
 

CorvoSol

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Well then you should know right now that Peter doesn't have his Spidey-sense, he lost it during Big Time when he fought Scorpion and the Spider-Slayers. To make up for it he learned kung-fu from Shang-chi.

Also Rick Reminder wrote a great Venom book that crossed-over with Spider-Island.

Yeah, the thing I really do appreciate so far about Spider-Island is that they make an effort to explain things like that to people like me, without wasting time on it. Spidey almost gets run over and then he's like "Whoops! Forgot my Spidey sense is busted.*" and the little panel off to the side is like "Spidey lost his Spidey sense awhile back. Check out such and such."

I don't have the money to check out such and such, but it's nice to get an explanation and a reference if I wanted to.
 
Does Year One still exist in-continuity if it does I can't suss out whether it's supposed to be pre or post Zero Year because neither makes much sense
 

B-Dubs

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Yeah, the thing I really do appreciate so far about Spider-Island is that they make an effort to explain things like that to people like me, without wasting time on it. Spidey almost gets run over and then he's like "Whoops! Forgot my Spidey sense is busted.*" and the little panel off to the side is like "Spidey lost his Spidey sense awhile back. Check out such and such."

I don't have the money to check out such and such, but it's nice to get an explanation and a reference if I wanted to.

I forget that they added those things in.

Does Year One still exist in-continuity if it does I can't suss out whether it's supposed to be pre or post Zero Year because neither makes much sense

I think they explained it as Zero Year is just a modern take on Year One, it doesn't invalidate it or knock it out of continuity it's just another take on it.
 
My comic shop had a buy one get one half off sale on trades today and I picked up Scarlet Spider Volumes 2 & 3 and Scalped Volumes 3 & 4.
 

CorvoSol

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Should I know who Joyce Delaney is? Why she was rockin' the Gwen Stacy? and
should her sudden, sorta doofy, death mean anything to me?

EDIT: Oh, nevermind, that makes sense, in a weird sort of way.
 

kswiston

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So I am forever behind on my comics, but I believe I noticed something pretty cool in the Hickman Avengers books:

The Super Adaptoids introduced in Avengers 25-27 depart for the multiverse at the end of the arc. Based off the design dynamic and the way they speak, I'm pretty sure those adaptoids end up becoming the Map Makers from New Avengers.
 

B-Dubs

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Should I know who Joyce Delaney is? Why she was rockin' the Gwen Stacy? and
should her sudden, sorta doofy, death mean anything to me?

Gwen clone from the 70's.

So I am forever behind on my comics, but I believe I noticed something pretty cool in the Hickman Avengers books:

The Super Adaptoids introduced in Avengers 25-27 depart for the multiverse at the end of the arc. Based off the design dynamic and the way they speak, I'm pretty sure those adaptoids end up becoming the Map Makers from New Avengers.

That would be crazy as shit.
 

kswiston

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Gwen clone from the 70's.



That would be crazy as shit.

I know they are both androids, but both talk very similarly ("assessing threats", "analyzing", "adapting"), both have primary objectives of exploring/mapping the multiverse, and both have a circle motif on their faces. I don't think that is all coincidental.
 
So I am forever behind on my comics, but I believe I noticed something pretty cool in the Hickman Avengers books:

The Super Adaptoids introduced in Avengers 25-27 depart for the multiverse at the end of the arc. Based off the design dynamic and the way they speak, I'm pretty sure those adaptoids end up becoming the Map Makers from New Avengers.

Fuck.
 

PsychBat!

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So I am forever behind on my comics, but I believe I noticed something pretty cool in the Hickman Avengers books:

The Super Adaptoids introduced in Avengers 25-27 depart for the multiverse at the end of the arc. Based off the design dynamic and the way they speak, I'm pretty sure those adaptoids end up becoming the Map Makers from New Avengers.

I fucking knew it. I mean if your assumption does become fact soon, I'll always say to myself, "I fucking called it". And no one will know.
 

ElNarez

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So I am forever behind on my comics, but I believe I noticed something pretty cool in the Hickman Avengers books:

The Super Adaptoids introduced in Avengers 25-27 depart for the multiverse at the end of the arc. Based off the design dynamic and the way they speak, I'm pretty sure those adaptoids end up becoming the Map Makers from New Avengers.

They literally say "We go forward to chart the unknown". They are literally saying they're gonna go through the multiverse making a map of some sort. This is literally the only way to interpret those events. If you don't get that this particular breed of Adaptoid are supposed to evolve into the Mapmakers, you don't know how to read.
 

PsychBat!

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They literally say "We go forward to chart the unknown". They are literally saying they're gonna go through the multiverse making a map of some sort. This is literally the only way to interpret those events. If you don't get that this particular breed of Adaptoid are supposed to evolve into the Mapmakers, you don't know how to read.

That's not very nice. :(
 

CorvoSol

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So far I'm really enjoying Spider-Island, guys. Like, sometimes the artwork does this weird thing where people's mouths look more like horses than humans, and Carlie is my new unfavorite, but otherwise it's a lot of fun. It doesn't feel like, I dunno, AvX or House of M or Civil War. It's just some fun thing that's going on. Like Peter wakes up, everything is wacky, and that's how his day is just gonna have to be.
 

Toa TAK

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So far I'm really enjoying Spider-Island, guys. Like, sometimes the artwork does this weird thing where people's mouths look more like horses than humans, and Carlie is my new unfavorite, but otherwise it's a lot of fun. It doesn't feel like, I dunno, AvX or House of M or Civil War. It's just some fun thing that's going on. Like Peter wakes up, everything is wacky, and that's how his day is just gonna have to be.

No, that's just Ramos.
 
They literally say "We go forward to chart the unknown". They are literally saying they're gonna go through the multiverse making a map of some sort. This is literally the only way to interpret those events. If you don't get that this particular breed of Adaptoid are supposed to evolve into the Mapmakers, you don't know how to read.

It's not my fault I'm dumb.
 

kswiston

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They literally say "We go forward to chart the unknown". They are literally saying they're gonna go through the multiverse making a map of some sort. This is literally the only way to interpret those events. If you don't get that this particular breed of Adaptoid are supposed to evolve into the Mapmakers, you don't know how to read.

It would be more obvious if it you weren't reading the stories in 10 minute intervals months apart. Two issues of New Avengers in the past two weeks aside, I swear that Hickman's books have been late in recent months.
 

Owzers

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I'm going to pretend i'm behind on Avengers that way i can still be smart. I read through 26 and haven't caught on to the spoiled thing yet, surely that's in 27.

i finished the second episode of true detective today, i'm closing in on that gif.
 

kswiston

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I'm going to pretend i'm behind on Avengers that way i can still be smart. I read through 26 and haven't caught on to the spoiled thing yet, surely that's in 27.

They start talking about it in Issue 26 on AIM island, and you can see design similarities at the end of that series. We got a decent look at their counterparts a few months ago in New Avengers 14.

Elnarez is being a bit hyperbolic though.
 
The thing I liked most about Spider-Island was the structure of it. Most events I read feel pretty padded out for ideas, or don't really utilize the ideas they have properly. The first issue, 666, is really good, cuz it just sets up everything. Peter Parker, who he is, what he does as Spider-Man, the Avengers, the FF, Norah/Phil, PeterxCarlie, Flash as Venom and his relationship with Betty, Jonah as mayor, people getting spider powers, Jackal and his deal, who the fuck is this Spider-King guy, who the fuck is this woman behind all this, Madme Web and her prediction that Peter Parker will have to kill someone, Mary Jane. Pretty much all the major players get touched upon and introduced, and I think Slott did a great job balancing and building the various plots while never losing track of Peter Parker as the star of all this. The stakes keep raising throughout, and the final two issues are extremely satisfying, with a lot of various payoffs and new beginnings for several characters.

And Ramos, I change my opinion on all the time, but I find his kinetic wacky style well-suited for Spider-Island, and Edgar Delgado does some fantastic color work throughout.
 

CorvoSol

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Aside from the horse-mouth thing going on, and that REALLY bad shot of MJ during the Clone Saga quip, the art's been pretty fun so far.

Oh, and the hilarious fact that despite her entire body being this weird, shriveled corpse, clone number xbazillion's breasts are in perfect, shapely condition.
 
Fraction has bursts of goodness and then just totally peters out.

Fraction X-Men was interesting for a time. Utopia stuff for instance, but honestly all the Hope stuff left me dead cold. This is back when X-books just seemed lost in a wilderness.
Invincible Iron-Man was good for the first half, then as above, went to shit with the Detroit Steel stuff.
Hawkeye was good when it had momentum, then he started circling the houses for tons of issues and I've grown too bored of it to really care.

Then his FF run was just shit with no redeeming qualities so... the end? I haven't read Sex Criminals yet though.


Fraction has the same issue as a lot of Marvel writers. I feel like he takes on projects just for the paycheck without having the passion or the idea to go with it.

Iron Man started out strong then petered out. Hawkeye has been good when it wasn't delayed to hell. Iron Fist was good. His team books don't do anything for me though.
 
Now hold on. Peter and MJ broke up in this Satan-inspired universe, and on bad terms, right? Like, on their wedding day bad terms? And yet she still calls him to remind him about Aunt May, all of his friends know her and she knows them, and she still calls him Tiger?


They got to the wedding day and didn't get married for various reasons but they still stayed together after that until OMD.
 
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