Elaugaufein
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As long as you're a white alien and you didn't arrive by boat you should be fine. We pretty much ignore the much larger number of genuinely illegal immigrants who arrive by plane and then stay past their Visa date.
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Conservative Tony Abbott now PM of Australia
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As long as you're a white alien and you didn't arrive by boat you should be fine. We pretty much ignore the much larger number of genuinely illegal immigrants who arrive by plane and then stay past their Visa date.
This annoyed me too, but annoyed even more a gay friend of mine who had a relative in the Q&A audience. Only a few months ago Kevin Rudd held the same position as the pastor he got smart with, and he said to me how "full of shit" Kevin was.
And just to make me a hypocrite, I actually think gay marriage will be legalised under an Abbott Government. Cue the gasps and laughs, but I believe you can't stop an idea whose time has come.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
green grey or fuck off
Elaugaufein
Member
For the first part of that, yeah they definitely do, you should check out some of the newspaper Letter's to the Editor in 2007 , around the time Howard lost. For the second, yeah they generally aren't found on the internet, especially on tech sites (you'll see lots of Right Libertarians but they aren't much of a force in Australian politics).
Well I mean specifically this year. I'm sure when they lost power it was different.
I think it will too. It's becoming more and more popular(really the only thing a politician cares about) and his family has openly supported it. I don't think we'll see it this year but a strategy card to play later in his term. Around the time labor start pushing their changes for next election and all of a sudden he pulls that one from under them.
Edit: This was meant to be an edit on my other post, oops.
I don't know... it's difficult to fully assess the hand of the Christian movement in Liberal party politics, since it's not as overt as in the US (although still fairly prevalent, see Rudd attempting to justify his position in line with Christian teachings), but I would suspect the possibility of Family First and other like parties taking power in the Senate alongside next-election preferencing deals with the various 'sanctity of marriage' parties that tend to funnel their votes to the Lib/Nats would put the kibosh on that. And Abbott has shown no signs of allowing a conscience vote on the issue
That said, if Turnbull was in power and he didn't give a fuck about winning the next election I could see it happening. Or maybe in the scenario Darklord places above, although I still think it would anger the various Christian party allies.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Well, here's to hoping the liberal party doesn't fuck things up too much.
Right?
As for who votes liberal? Conservative Christians probably. My whole family and extended family did it. Excluding me.
Right?
As for who votes liberal? Conservative Christians probably. My whole family and extended family did it. Excluding me.
and, pray tell, why do you think they had to(or felt they had to) do that? You do realize, that when the party/candidate in a political horse race that espouses more anti-gay rhetoric/policy wins, this shifts the debate further away from being in favor of marriage equality right? That's how politics work.
And on that note, you guys thinking voting Labor back in after 3 years will magically reverse the state of things back to what they were pre-Abbott are probably being terribly naive. That'll only happen If the Liberals fuck up majorly in the PR department, but if they don't, history tells us the Labor party will be more right-wing.
3 years later: "Liberals have worked hard to undo the damage done by Labour's politics, and now we're finally starting to see a turn around. The next 3 years will be critical for actually seeing the changes we've implemented start to take positive effect. By making a fair go of trying to return Australia's budget to the black, we've done an effective job of cutting money to bludging middle income australians who think that they deserve economic security."
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
livin in mud huts before the sun rises
Elaugaufein
Member
Technically Abbot can pretty much screw over any of the minor parties to the right of him if he feels like it. What are they going to do about it: Preference Labor or the Greens ? (Palmer's just as bad from the perspective of these groups since he's actually fairly left socially).
It's the same way that Labor occasionally screws over the Greens, its not like they can direct their preferences to the LNP.
NinjaTehFish
Banned
I just want to get this off my chest:
FUCK THE FUCKING MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY YOU SPINELESS FEAR MONGERING CUNT NIBBLING HEMORRHOIDS.
FUCK THE FUCKING MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY YOU SPINELESS FEAR MONGERING CUNT NIBBLING HEMORRHOIDS.
This is the only thing I know about Australian politics.
I don't think anyone actually likes Abbott. They just disliked him less.
Elaugaufein
Member
Didn't they dislike him more ? But dislike his party less ? I can't remember what the two party preferred PM was.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh boats uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh taxes uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uncertainty uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh jobs.
now im pm
now im pm
Whiteshirt
Member
No, people typically believed Abbott was a tosser but voted Liberal because they believed Labor was economically unsound.
Which is why many foreign academics are basically saying Abbott is going to laugh to the polls because he got away with a hugeass lie that somehow never got debunked.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Yeah that's him.
I swear there was a gif of him with a snake tongue, gave me the chills. Can't find it though.
lolz, australia. you were doing so well.
oh well, welcome to the club! expect widening inequality, worsening of public institutions and widespread shitting on minorities, woman, gays and the poor.
Same kinda shit happens in Canada.
Conservatives shout fearful slogans about imaginary budget crises, and then shit everything up even worse once they get elected.
Hey, if anyone annoys you on Facebook, tell them "shit happens", just like Tony did to those soldiers who lost their mate overseas.
It was probably this video that gave you that idea. Comes off like a straight-up dysfunctional robot.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I too would not be surprised to see gay marriage passed, in a year or two, as an attempt by the Coalition to grab a chunk of easy voters share when the next election looms, or when Labor (or whoever) starts building a bit of party momentum. Optimistic thinking maybe, but I do believe marriage equality is a ball in motion that wont stop moving. It may take longer than we'd like, but it will happen.
Regardless, tragic outcome. I really don't think this election is a product of anything less than Labor's repulsive self destruction crippling any chance they had this election, and the Coalition's borderline blanket negativity/fearmongering campaign that was less about prioritising them and more about dismantling the opposition.
I'm far from the most politically savvy person around, but the silver lining to this result is hard to see, and the reasoning unconvincing. More or less every argument I've heard pro-Coalition support has been a recycling of their campaign rhetoric. "Change", "Labor/Greens Waste", "Boats", "National Debt", etc. No policies, no reasoning, and no argument why the Coalition will instil a progressive government that betters the education, health, freedoms, workforce, economy, and welfare of Australia citizens as a whole, instead a check-list of negative buzzwords and dribble of vague "Labor failures".
Optimism grants me three comfort blankets:
1) The senate will block the worst of the Coalition's policies, while retaining some of Labor's better policies that are already in motion, for majority of their term. Note: This may not happen, depending on how the senate ends up (which going by the op is not good).
2) Despite convincing the average Australian our country is in a financial crisis when we're as far removed as possible, the Coalition's economic reforms don't dig us into deep hole that not even a new party in power three years from now can salvage.
3) The Coalition's relatively weak priority gains clash with the opposition's major losses, the latter group of disillusioned voters eventually rallied together by a progressive, organised party that can provide decent competition (at least on a senate level) with the Coalition come next election.
Regardless, things wont change overnight. It's the long term I'm worried about, because laying foundations for the long term is what matters most. Based on the policies I know, the Coalition government is not one I envision as positive or progressive for Australian society, nor Australia's place on a global scale. And thus, unless proven otherwise, the sooner it gone, the better.
It breaks my heart to speak to Liberal voters who simply provide no excuse for their vote other than "change". It's the laziest, intellectually dishonest form of decision making, as well as the most reckless and short sighted. It's a fallacy. Nobody votes for "change". Change isn't a thing, it's a process. You vote to change recognised policies for other, preferable policies. To vote for change to policies you don't know, care to know, or understand is dangerous.
Regardless, tragic outcome. I really don't think this election is a product of anything less than Labor's repulsive self destruction crippling any chance they had this election, and the Coalition's borderline blanket negativity/fearmongering campaign that was less about prioritising them and more about dismantling the opposition.
I'm far from the most politically savvy person around, but the silver lining to this result is hard to see, and the reasoning unconvincing. More or less every argument I've heard pro-Coalition support has been a recycling of their campaign rhetoric. "Change", "Labor/Greens Waste", "Boats", "National Debt", etc. No policies, no reasoning, and no argument why the Coalition will instil a progressive government that betters the education, health, freedoms, workforce, economy, and welfare of Australia citizens as a whole, instead a check-list of negative buzzwords and dribble of vague "Labor failures".
Optimism grants me three comfort blankets:
1) The senate will block the worst of the Coalition's policies, while retaining some of Labor's better policies that are already in motion, for majority of their term. Note: This may not happen, depending on how the senate ends up (which going by the op is not good).
2) Despite convincing the average Australian our country is in a financial crisis when we're as far removed as possible, the Coalition's economic reforms don't dig us into deep hole that not even a new party in power three years from now can salvage.
3) The Coalition's relatively weak priority gains clash with the opposition's major losses, the latter group of disillusioned voters eventually rallied together by a progressive, organised party that can provide decent competition (at least on a senate level) with the Coalition come next election.
Regardless, things wont change overnight. It's the long term I'm worried about, because laying foundations for the long term is what matters most. Based on the policies I know, the Coalition government is not one I envision as positive or progressive for Australian society, nor Australia's place on a global scale. And thus, unless proven otherwise, the sooner it gone, the better.
It breaks my heart to speak to Liberal voters who simply provide no excuse for their vote other than "change". It's the laziest, intellectually dishonest form of decision making, as well as the most reckless and short sighted. It's a fallacy. Nobody votes for "change". Change isn't a thing, it's a process. You vote to change recognised policies for other, preferable policies. To vote for change to policies you don't know, care to know, or understand is dangerous.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
yeah but ruds a dick head mate, not getting the job done.
PirateKing
Junior Member
Our national anthem needs to be changed as well. Boats are stopped now remember?
''Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea:
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare,
In history's page let every stage
Advance Australia fair,
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia fair.
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
We'll toil with hearts and hands,
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands,
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share,
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia fair.''
''Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea:
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare,
In history's page let every stage
Advance Australia fair,
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia fair.
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
We'll toil with hearts and hands,
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands,
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share,
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia fair.''
There were plenty of spending announcements, they were just small things like grants to Guide Dogs. But I get what you mean. Here's the thing...
After '93 and '96, you'll never again have an Opposition Leader willing to campaign on big ticket items. Instead, they'll do whatever they can to stop their opponent from making a scare campaign over any announcement. Because that's what works in this country, hence the phrase "oppositions don't win, governments lose".
That's why I was so disappointed that Chris Bowen held McMahon. That seat had the dirtiest campaign against Ray King, and I would hate for the lesson from that to be that false dirt files work and become more widespread.
I think it'll get better once incumbency gives the Coalition some spine. That spine gave us tax reform in 1998.
Elaugaufein
Member
I can't remember if when sung who've is one syllable or two, if it's one all you need is "who came" and you're done.
empty vessel
Member
Sorry, Australia.
Whiteshirt
Member
Does anyone ever sing the second verse anymore? Pretty sure we've ejected it from our memory because it contradicts with our hatred of boat people.
Whitechocolatekrispies
Banned
I'm so confused.
Liberals got in ... but they are conservative?
Liberals got in ... but they are conservative?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
OH YEAH
The state of campaigning is another issue entirely, in my opinion, but you are right there. I loathe it. Our political climate is spineless, and it's a dangerous game of dominoes with a gullible, manipulated public.
But, you know, it's still the little (or big) things that instil disgust and fear with the Coalition. Our refugee policy and media fearmongering, under both Labor and Liberal, is appalling. It's a repulsive, shameful scar spread across this entire country that should be more frequently blasted by international sources. And I cannot endorse any party that makes it worse, which the Coalition seemingly intend to do (as did Labor).
Yeah
.Australian Liberal politics =/= American Liberal politics. Here the National Liberal Party mostly refers their economic policy in name. Socially they are far from liberal, and instead very conservative.
Elaugaufein
Member
Economic liberals , social conservatives basically.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
when's that old leather boot of a cum stain murdoch gonna die. droopy jowl turkey gobbler having dinosaur doona
Just like how red is associated with the left everywhere else in the world, and blue with the right. "liberal" only means "left-wing" in America.
Elaugaufein
Member
OH YEAH
The state of campaigning is another issue entirely, in my opinion, but you are right there. I loathe it. Our political climate is spineless, and it's a dangerous game of dominoes with a gullible, manipulated public.
But, you know, it's still the little (or big) things that instil disgust and fear with the Coalition. Our refugee policy and media fearmongering, under both Labor and Liberal, is appalling. It's a repulsive, shameful scar spread across this entire country that should be more frequently blasted by international sources. And I cannot endorse any party that makes it worse, which the Coalition seemingly intend to do (as did Labor).
Yeah
I'm eagerly looking forward to how the Boat Policy goes over in the UN. We're pretty blatantly dancing all over our Human Rights agreements: we're refusing refuge to genuine refugees, we're denying legal aid, and we're going to be censoring the media to pretend the previous two never happened. It's the kind of trifecta of awful you expect out of some kind of fascist dystopia. Oh and for bonus points we're also cutting back on our foreign aid.
Elaugaufein
Member
I guess that depends on if you count the American Democrats as actually being left-wing.
This is what frustrated me the most. But the majority of the Australian public didn't even seem to switch on their own data filter and work out that most of what both parties were saying (but particularly the Liberals) was nothing but boogeyman tactics. The boats are barely a spec of dust on the impact of our national budget (compared to the amount spent on marketing telling us that they are), our financial position compared to the rest of the world is better than almost the entire western world (but don't worry, Hockey will bring in that .0375% benefit (or whatever it was) over the Labor government who managed to fuck everything up) and the internet is totes overrated and we can definitely cut back on that shit because all people ever do with it is use it to satiate their desire to do evil, horrible things like distribute pictures of naked children to each other.
I'm glad the Libs are here to save us from ourselves now. Don't know how we would've coped otherwise with them gays marrying themselves and stuff. Ick.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
See, it's the bolded point that moves our possible refugee policy from disgusting and embarrassing to a pretty fucking scary infringement on the rights of a democratic society.
Dear Australia
As a citizen of the UK I say this. What were you thinking? Haven't you see whats happened to us with our collection of conservative shit bags and spineless liberal tossers currently in power? Why did you elect a group of people that Rupert Murdoch supports? That should have been a red light from the start. We in UK made a big mistake and one would hope that other countries could look at ours and not make the same mistake. Sadly it seems you have voted into power a bigger spazmo than even we did (and that's saying something). Prepare yourselves for the horror show.
At least you only have to endure it for three years though.
Your friend
Pulsemyne
As a citizen of the UK I say this. What were you thinking? Haven't you see whats happened to us with our collection of conservative shit bags and spineless liberal tossers currently in power? Why did you elect a group of people that Rupert Murdoch supports? That should have been a red light from the start. We in UK made a big mistake and one would hope that other countries could look at ours and not make the same mistake. Sadly it seems you have voted into power a bigger spazmo than even we did (and that's saying something). Prepare yourselves for the horror show.
At least you only have to endure it for three years though.
Your friend
Pulsemyne
The opinion polls and biased news coverage caused this.
And Bill Shorten. But mainly a sociopathic anxiety over a few errors and low polling results for Rudd circa 2008-2009, that led Shorten and Gillard to ultimately completely shoot themselves in the foot with the revolving door leadership debacle.
Ultimately, I wish opinion polls and Rupert Mudochs were illegal.
And Bill Shorten. But mainly a sociopathic anxiety over a few errors and low polling results for Rudd circa 2008-2009, that led Shorten and Gillard to ultimately completely shoot themselves in the foot with the revolving door leadership debacle.
Ultimately, I wish opinion polls and Rupert Mudochs were illegal.
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