Kerotan
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Sounds like it's not worth the trade off.
Contradictory reports surface on whether Demon's Souls has or doesn't have RayTracing
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Dodkrake
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I can speak for myself and guarantee that the inteviews completely contradict themselves, and that my transation is solid.
My guess? The problem is at the source, so either Sony and Gaving lied, or the interviewer got it wrong on the contradictory one.
iHaunter
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RT was never the biggest sell, 4k/60 was. RT was a nice addition to games that could benefit a lot from it. Would I like RT on the knight armor in DeS? Of course! Will it matter at all, absolutely not. I will enjoy the game the exact same amount with or without RT.
Yoboman
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So you're saying Sony planned to lie up until yesterday?
Kssio_Aug
Member
Not sure about that. I mean, obviously there isn't a book listing in order the "Top Next-Gen Selling Points", but imo 4K and RT seems to be the 2 most hyped "features" this gen.
roosnam1980
Member
ssd with its loading has been hyped too and it has been consistently impressive when looking at some of the videos
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Possibly.
Gavin says in one of the articles RT is something that would need to be planned from the beginning, but they focused on other things.
But Sony promoted DS in the summer with RT.
So whose wrong? Gavin BSing Sony DS has RT so they green lit a website blurb? Or Sony BSing knowing DS doesn't have RT but they promoted it anyway?
Nice one. Even still says Demon's Souls has RT on Sony's web site. Nice last minute communication two weeks from launch.
Worldwide Studios: First look at 9 new PS5 games
First details coming out of today’s PlayStation 5 eventblog.playstation.com
Demon's Souls from Japan Studio and Bluepoint Games
From Japan Studio and Bluepoint Games comes a remake of the PlayStation classic, Demon's Souls. In addition to beautiful shadow effects and ray tracing, players can choose between two graphics modes while playing: one focused on fidelity, and one focused on frame rate.
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Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
This means the performance mode will likely see minimal downgrade in fidelity in order to achieve 60fps.
Yoboman
Member
Or you know, English to Spanish back to English translations have issues?
But yeah, let's go with the grand conspiracy
Lethal01
Member
RT is a far bigger sell than "NATIVE 4K". 60fps is good too though.
LEVEL UP recently had the opportunity to interview Gavin Moore, Creative Director of Demon's Souls and member of SIE Japan Studio, about various elements of the game. Of course, one of the topics that were touched on was the graphic section.
When questioning Gavin about the implementation of ray tracing in Demon's Souls , the creative made it clear that, although the opposite was announced at the beginning , it is an element absent from the exclusive for PlayStation 5.
"We don't actually implement raytracing in Demon's Souls . It's not because we couldn't or because the PlayStation 5 couldn't do it, it's fully capable of doing it, "said Moore.
Now the question is, if the PlayStation 5 can be raytraced and it could have been implemented in Demon's Souls , why leave it out? As explained by Moore, it was a decision they made since it was something that was outside their initial ideal of the project. Also, there is a certain cost to implement it and they preferred to prioritize other elements.
"It's like any other graphical improvement, there is a cost [to implement raytracing]. If we had implemented ray tracing in the game, that would mean that we would have had to leave something out. There is a limited time in game development.
When we started development we didn't know there would be ray tracing in the game, so it wasn't in our original vision. What we wanted to focus on was the settings and the look of the characters. Everything is lighting in real time with shadows in real time ", were the words of Moore.
Confirman que Demon’s Souls no tendrá raytracing en PlayStation 5 | LevelUp
LEVEL UP platicó con Gavin Moore, director creativo del juego y miembro de SIE Japan Studiowww.levelup.com
My take on this news? I think it's a bit of a bummer that this already stunning game can't take full advantage with Raytracing as the examples in which it would shine are bountiful.
However the overall visual fidelity of this title is something of a real premium quality and I'm still stunned by how Bluepoint have made such a stunning game, I can't wait till their next project where they are more used to the technology and can take further advantage of the PS5!
Considering there is an interview from just yesterday when the same guy says that there is raytracing like he has been saying for months.
Do you think you could edit the OP to include that interview so that people know not to look at this as confirmation when it seems like it could be mistranslation?
iHaunter
Member
I disagree, 60 FPS is far more hype. We've been stuck at 30 FPS gaming on consoles for too long.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
They probably just use RT for the spatial audio. The definition is the use of ray/plane intersection tests to calculate spatial relationships based on geometry, it has nothing specifically to do with lighting/rendering.
As per usual people are fixating on a thing they don't fully understand.
As per usual people are fixating on a thing they don't fully understand.
Lethal01
Member
At the announcement of the game they specifically stated that it has raytracing used for light and shadow.
The same person in this interview repeated this yesterday.
Seems more like you are commenting on a situation you don't fully understand.
luv ya though.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Gavin Moore, Creative Director at Bluepoint doesn't know the difference between DS having RT one day saying it makes things look better, and no RT the next day because something like that would have to be planned from the beginning?
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onesvenus
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Native spanish here. At least the Spanish to English translations are completely correct
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Uh now that I know it isn't coming to my console of cccchoice and launch game....who even needs ray tracing when it was something I never STFU about for the last year? NOT this guy, heh.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I thought the new demo looked good but since you're telling me it had no RTX I now realize it sucked
Traxtech
Member
Perfect post hahhahahha
Kills frame rate for fancy puddle reflections. It also can be used for better lighting and shadows but doesn't show up in screenshots very well so not used. It is a performance hog for very little gain imo for 90% of games right now. Developers want to use it for lighting or audio then I'm up to discuss but reflections nope lol.
grfunkulus
Banned
lmfao, wishful thinking
DonJorginho
Banned
Done my man!
Lionel Richie
Member
It teraflops.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
The game clearly uses ray tracing
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Why?
DonJorginho
Banned
No clear evidence of it yet and two very conflicting interviews, I think it will likely have RT but it's been a bit of a cock up from Sony PR.
LeftThumbstick
Member
Dear oh dear.
anyways, still looks like a stellar game.
anyways, still looks like a stellar game.
PSYGN
Member
It traces rays.
TearInto5th
Member
This just proves that you don't need to have RT to make an amazing looking game. Im sure plenty of people thought it did, because the lighting is spectacular.
But if you can free up horsepower with an equal solution, why wouldn't you?
But if you can free up horsepower with an equal solution, why wouldn't you?
Knitted Knight
Banned
The first interview brought in by the OP is very concise on the matter and specific in its words. IF it's 100% word for word quote then it's fair to conclude it doesn't have RayTracing.
Likewise, the second interview, while a bit more muddied, if quoted properly by the journalist does illustrate that Demon Souls does indeed have RayTracing.
The two interviews do contradict each other and require further clarification. Either the journalists are quoting poorly and/or taking some liberties in the translation (either one) or Gavin is BSing and has no fucking idea what he's talking about other than manage the project from the Top as Sony's handler.
Sony will have to clarify on this because of that. And that will be best for all.
Likewise, the second interview, while a bit more muddied, if quoted properly by the journalist does illustrate that Demon Souls does indeed have RayTracing.
The two interviews do contradict each other and require further clarification. Either the journalists are quoting poorly and/or taking some liberties in the translation (either one) or Gavin is BSing and has no fucking idea what he's talking about other than manage the project from the Top as Sony's handler.
Sony will have to clarify on this because of that. And that will be best for all.
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Ryu Kaiba
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Ray tracing has done almost nothing in every game it's implemented in except Minecraft ironically. Hows it surprising games can look good without it.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
What a mess, it doesn't feature something most people don't notice to the point they're arguing whether or not it's present.
Lethal01
Member
I have asked both authors what's happening and the one that claims there's no raytracing posted the original English transcript of the interview
The original tweet is here
I would have said this is definitive.
But I would have also said the interview where the same guy says that there is raytracing was definitive.
really hoping they respond.
Ryu Kaiba
Member
Yeah and it has to render all of that offscreen content as well. the next gen consoles are not ready. We won't have proper ray tracing for 2 more gens without coming at the cost of other features.
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Lethal01
Member
Raytracing put Metro Exodus, Control and Crysis on a whole other level compared to not having raytracing, don't know what you're talking about.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
3 games that were among the best looking games without it, it's legit a cherry on top, it's neat but unnecessary.
abstract alien
Member
I guess all of that great footage I loved so much, I actually hated.
Lethal01
Member
I mean, it's "not necessary" If you are fine with the game look far worse in comparison.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Everything is relative but I played Crysis and Metro Exodus without RTX, they're among the best looking games I've ever played. It just doesn't mean much to me to tell me I'm missing out.