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[TheOMan]

Vigalante justice against police officers just would end up being a big shit show. There are good officers just like there are good citizens. We need a better system in place regarding the Police Academies and officers who break the law need to be punished accordingly.

Tell the good ones to push the bad ones out. See what they say.

 

[Paz]

Damn pretty harsh sentence for the cop, while all his friends will be out partying and murdering whoever the fuck they want for the next 3 years he'll actually have to act like a human being .

 

[slit]

Okay, this is even worse from a precedence perspective. What they are saying is "Yeah he was wrong but it's not THAT bad." I mean you got to be kidding me. They are not even hiding behind the flimsy excuse "Well he felt his life was threatened." How this is allowed to happen time and time again is just astounding. It's not like it's even covered up. The information is in plain sight for everyone to see.

 

[QuantumZebra]

There was a case linked in another thread where someone was killing police a few years back. The police started randomly shooting people who were driving cars somewhat similar to the suspect's. Didn't matter if the car was different brand and color, or if the driver was a woman when the suspect was a man. Cool stuff.

Yea it was an ex-LAPD cop who hated the dept. and went on a vigilante spree against them. The cops hunting him were legit shooting up cars that matched the description like fucking mobsters.

Hell, even mobsters would have the good graces to make sure they got the right person.

It's so beyond fucked its almost a parody of itself.

 

[The Artisan]

Given the attention span of the public, most of the outrage will have simmered by then.

...so they have it (as evidence AGAINST the cops) but don't release till a significant time later just so there's no chance for heat?

how the fuck and why the fuck should the public trust people like that

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

I am so damn tired of this.

 

[Jerm411]

I know its his fucking job, but fuck if I don't hate lawyers who do shit like this. No, he could have calmly approached the fucking vehicle and handled it like someone who had a mental capacity of a fucking adult not a trigger happy teenager. Ugh. By forcing his arm into the man's car he obviously escalated a situation that didn't need to be.

He didn't even need to approach the vehicle, could've took cover by his door and conducted a felony stop...forcing the subject out of the car.

 

[Krejlooc]

"Vigilante justice against police officers "

that moment when you feel like you've fallen through the looking glass

That is literally the plot to Renegade.

 

[Jerm411]

Unfortunately I've heard that the US police can fire officers who whistleblow. If I'm wrong, then someone please correct me.

I'll put it to you this way and I know from personal experience.....it's extremely frowned upon. Read between the lines...

 

[Parallax]

Yea it was an ex-LAPD cop who hated the dept. and went on a vigilante spree against them. The cops hunting him were legit shooting up cars that matched the description like fucking mobsters.

Hell, even mobsters would have the good graces to make sure they got the right person.

It's so beyond fucked its almost a parody of itself.

That dorner shit was unreal. Hell the ending seemed straight out of a damn movie

 

[outunderthestars]

why does it take 2 years for this to be released?

I assume they waited until the case was settled in case they needed to seat a jury.

 

[Enzom21]

This is just another example of the criminal justice system being just as shitty as law enforcement. Even if a piece of shit cop goes to trial, they barely get anytime if they are found guilty.

Vigalante justice against police officers just would end up being a big shit show. There are good officers just like there are good citizens. We need a better system in place regarding the Police Academies and officers who break the law need to be punished accordingly.

Genuinely "good" cops are few and far between.
Unless they're actively trying to get rid of bad cops, there are no good ones.

 

[sturgboski]

I wish common sense existed. If a citizen did this to another citizen would it be a slap on the wrist punishment or 30yrs in jail? Now, take that answer and exponentially increase it for a cop.

 

[DarthWoo]

Unfortunately I've heard that the US police can fire officers who whistleblow. If I'm wrong, then someone please correct me.

That's probably if they're lucky. Excessively scrupulous officers have nearly been killed (sent into a dangerous area with their backup mysteriously disappearing at the wrong moment, and only getting help after a random civilian calls for an ambulance) for less.

 

[The Artisan]

I assume they waited until the case was settled in case they needed to seat a jury.

but again...that doesn't help their case if they want to come off as trustworthy.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Fuck that grand jury. Special doses of karma are already prepared for them.

 

[Enzom21]

but again...that doesn't help their case if they want to come off as trustworthy.

Do you honestly think law enforcement cares about looking trustworthy to the public?

 

[n00bsauce87]

Investigators determined that North Augusta Public Safety Officer Justin Craven broke the law. A prosecutor, in a rare action against a police officer, sought to charge him with voluntary manslaughter, punishable by up to 30 years in prison. But the grand jury disagreed, indicting him on a misdemeanor.

Even when you win, you lose

 

[The Artisan]

Do you honestly think law enforcement cares about looking trustworthy to the public?

if they want to help improve their public image? they probably should. shit like this keeps happening and it ain't a good look

 

[Lister]

We need to eliminate grand juries for serious misconduct charges against officers. PERIOD.

They are not transparent procedures.

 

[Enzom21]

if they want to help improve their public image? they probably should. shit like this keeps happening and it ain't a good look

This is law enforcement we're talking about here. They get literal murder, negative public opinion means dick all to these shitheads.
People(mostly non-whites) have had a negative view of cops for decades and cops haven't given two shits. Any criticism of their gang is met with cries of "war on the police." They don't give a shit about public opinion, unless it supports their gang activities.

 

[The Artisan]

This is law enforcement we're talking about here. They get literal murder, negative public opinion means dick all to these shitheads.
People(mostly non-whites) have had a negative view of cops for decades and cops haven't given two shits. Any criticism of their gang is met with cries of "war on the police." They don't give a shit about public opinion, unless it supports their gang activities.

so what the fuck are we supposed to do? just continue to put up with what are arguably injustices?

 

[Culex]

Will he be able to be rehired as an officer?

 

[commedieu]

Genuinely "good" cops are few and far between.
Unless they're actively trying to get rid of bad cops, there are no good ones.

This so much. There arent a ton of good cops. Else we wouldn't have so many "bad apples." They'd all be turned in. Like some Kevin costner flick.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Fuck that grand jury. Special doses of karma are already prepared for them.

I guess people getting hot and bothered by political pressure and protest is karma but that doesn't really take much sting out of the lack of convictions folks want.

 

[MMaRsu]

Jesus christ..police are wayy to trigger happy in the us. Get these clowns off the streets. Fucking misdemeanor bullshit.

 

[Enzom21]

so what the fuck are we supposed to do? just continue to put up with what are arguably injustices?

Who said anything about putting up with it? No one puts up with it, but you seem to think that they care about public opinion when it's obvious they don't.
Short of getting rid of all current law enforcement, starting over and removing all influence corporation and the rich have, there is nothing much we can do that will have any real impact.

This so much. There arent a ton of good cops. Else we wouldn't have so many "bad apples." They'd all be turned in. Like some Kevin costner flick.

In Little Rock Arkansas there is an officer, Tommy Norman who is by all accounts a good cop, but he never criticizes other cops for their actions. He tries to improve public reception by having positive interaction but he completely ignores why public opinion of cops is so bad.
So even if they are great cops, they still do nothing about the bad ones.

 

[Rockandrollclown]

In Little Rock Arkansas there is an officer, Tommy Norman who is by all accounts a good cop, but he never criticizes other cops for their actions. He tries to improve public reception by having positive interaction but he completely ignores why public opinion of cops is so bad.
So even if they are great cops, they still do nothing about the bad ones.

While it is infuriating, can you really blame them for not whistleblowing on armed psychopaths? Things often don't turn out too well for people who do rat on cops. Its a dangerous job and your bros can leave you out to die, or take care of you themselves. Only solution I can think of is more bodycams and the courts giving out much harsher sentencing.

Also the story at hand, this is awful. Cop is a murderer and should be in prison for the rest of his life.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

so what the fuck are we supposed to do? just continue to put up with what are arguably injustices?

Black people have been protesting for years now.

White people don't like it and don't care.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

This is just another example of the criminal justice system being just as shitty as law enforcement. Even if a piece of shit cop goes to trial, they barely get anytime if they are found guilty.



Genuinely "good" cops are few and far between.
Unless they're actively trying to get rid of bad cops, there are no good ones.

Yeah, most good cops are silent and just do what they're told or avoid the bad ones. I think it's a gang mentality - you're "in" now, so don't disrupt anything or you're out.

 

[Jerm411]

This so much. There arent a ton of good cops. Else we wouldn't have so many "bad apples." They'd all be turned in. Like some Kevin costner flick.

It doesn't work this way...if you try to turn in the bad apples, bad things happen to you...trust me on this.

It'd be nice if it were that easy, sadly it's not...

 

[thelatestmodel]

Okay, this is even worse from a precedence perspective. What they are saying is "Yeah he was wrong but it's not THAT bad." I mean you got to be kidding me. They are not even hiding behind the flimsy excuse "Well he felt his life was threatened." How this is allowed to happen time and time again is just astounding. It's not like it's even covered up. The information is in plain sight for everyone to see.

100%. Just needs to feel that "his life was threatened".

Well, he should damn well have to prove afterwards that it was, or face the consequences. Police murder is becoming routine.

 

[GeordieMark]

What are the current presidential candidates saying regarding the state of US policing? Are any of them addressing this? I'm from the UK and haven't been keeping up with everything the candidates are talking about.

 

[sturgboski]

What are the current presidential candidates saying regarding the state of US policing? Are any of them addressing this? I'm from the UK and haven't been keeping up with everything the candidates are talking about.

Well on the GOP side it seems to be increase the military state especially against communities they don't like.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

In Little Rock Arkansas there is an officer, Tommy Norman who is by all accounts a good cop, but he never criticizes other cops for their actions. He tries to improve public reception by having positive interaction but he completely ignores why public opinion of cops is so bad.
So even if they are great cops, they still do nothing about the bad ones.

While it is infuriating, can you really blame them for not whistleblowing on armed psychopaths? Things often don't turn out too well for people who do rat on cops. Its a dangerous job and your bros can leave you out to die, or take care of you themselves. Only solution I can think of is more bodycams and the courts giving out much harsher sentencing.

Also the story at hand, this is awful. Cop is a murderer and should be in prison for the rest of his life.

Yes. They are out there. They just need to make their voices heard, unless their job isn't to serve and protect..

 

[spookyfish]

But the grand jury opted for "misconduct in office," a charge used for sheriffs who make inmates do their personal work, or officers who ask for bribes. Their single-page indictment, returned in August, contains no details other than accusing Craven of "using excessive force and failing to follow and use proper procedures."

I'm sure the grand jury members have such a full knowledge of the law that they came up with this lesser charge on their own, and not via any prodding by some in the system who know the law very well ...

 

[mckmas8808]

Vigalante justice against police officers just would end up being a big shit show. There are good officers just like there are good citizens. We need a better system in place regarding the Police Academies and officers who break the law need to be punished accordingly.

Aren't we already seeing how crappy the situation already is?

 

[mckmas8808]

I'll put it to you this way and I know from personal experience.....it's extremely frowned upon. Read between the lines...

So being a cop is sorta like being in a gang?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

So being a cop is sorta like being in a gang?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WRhBgvVw71c

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

So being a cop is sorta like being in a gang?

Except you don't need to bribe the cops because you are the cops!

 

[Nekofrog]

Yeah, most good cops are silent and just do what they're told or avoid the bad ones. I think it's a gang mentality - you're "in" now, so don't disrupt anything or you're out.

My step dad was a cop for a year. He bailed as soon as he saw how bad it was. Stand up against it as a cop? Congrats, the rest of the force will now treat you like the people they police, you are the enemy and they will fuck your life up. And they will get away with it

 

[The Artisan]

Who said anything about putting up with it? No one puts up with it, but you seem to think that they care about public opinion when it's obvious they don't.
Short of getting rid of all current law enforcement, starting over and removing all influence corporation and the rich have, there is nothing much we can do that will have any real impact.

What I meant was standing by and continuing to let these things happen. I remember last year some kid was gunned down for marijuana too and didn't see justice, then there was also the case of a woman named Sandra Bland who was arrested and apparently that was injustice too.

Black people have been protesting for years now.

White people don't like it and don't care.

Don't like what?

 

[Malyse]

100%. Just needs to feel that "his life was threatened".

Well, he should damn well have to prove afterwards that it was, or face the consequences. Police murder is becoming routine.

Nah.

Shit's been happening for decades. If the cops hadn't fucked up in Ferguson and attacked reporters, the media would have continued to be willfully ignorant of the systematic violence inflicted on minorities. But they *did* fuck up and now the media knows that covering this type of thing resonates with the American audience. So you see more coverage. The fact is, this is BY FAR the best minorities have ever been treated in the history of this country. At least they aren't raping black women, lynching black men, or burning crosses in their yards with impunity anymore.

 

[Jerm411]

My step dad was a cop for a year. He bailed as soon as he saw how bad it was. Stand up against it as a cop? Congrats, the rest of the force will now treat you like the people they police, you are the enemy and they will fuck your life up. And they will get away with it

Pretty much my story as well....

 

[Jerm411]

So being a cop is sorta like being in a gang?

Once you learn the seedy underside of a lot of departments...yeah it is....