ferrasvansen
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The Labour party is finished, it will splinter now into 2 parties, Jeremy Corbyn couldn't win a general election if he stood against a rabbit. I supported Labour for 30 years, now after this week I'm SNP and will never go back.
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Corbyn sacks Hilary Benn, Half Shadow cabinet expected to resign today (Labour)
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PJV3
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ferrasvansen
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Still couldn't back them, lost their way completely, infiltrated by communists and anarchists and now losing the people I respect, having met Hilary Benn in 1989 when I was at St Andrews university and having a great evening listening to him back then, over some great wine, this is sad to watch.
Corby and labours problem in recent years has been losing the media. When they were supported by The Sun they had voters in the palm of their hand, once they lost it to the Tories they started going backwards.
And this is from someone who can't stand the media.
Their message has been right under Corbyn but they have been incredibly weak in delivering the message that hardly anyone has taken notice.
And this is from someone who can't stand the media.
Their message has been right under Corbyn but they have been incredibly weak in delivering the message that hardly anyone has taken notice.
Ha! Corbyn the wel blanket tool cannot win a paper contest let alone a general election. He will lose. He is the british sanders without the passion of sanders.
Diane abbot as foreign sec shows how low the labour party has sunk
ferrasvansen
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Guerrillas in the Mist
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Oh shit
whatevermort
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There's going to be absolute mutiny. There is simply no way Corbyn can ever win a general election in the UK. It will never happen. So they're going to have to find somebody fast, or boris'll call one quickly and stick us with another five years of them...
They have one hope...Dan Jarvis
that is it...if he says no, Labour will be like the Lib Dems and decimated out of existence
affleck1981
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Seriously? Abbott? I like Corbyn's principled stance and would love it if it was more in line it's the PLP and the people of the U.K., but surely someone is pointing out to him that at the moment, he is effectively destroying the Labour Party.
ferrasvansen
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What a mess of a country Labour in turmoil, government frozen, tory civil war starting over new leader. Nothing is going to get done in the commons for years with all the EU legislation going to take up every minute of time available, unreal mess and I fear for the future immensely.
PJV3
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Hilary benn had the right idea for syria. There is nothing wrong with bombing folks who come from iraq to enslave the syrian people.
JonathanEx
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I can't hear a mention of Diane Abbott without doing a Dead Ringers style impression.
If there is a leadership challenge through a no confidence vote - will Corbyn need to have enough MPs nominate him? They made that mistake once before, he only got enough as people thought he wouldn't win, fewer actually voted for him later...
If there is a leadership challenge through a no confidence vote - will Corbyn need to have enough MPs nominate him? They made that mistake once before, he only got enough as people thought he wouldn't win, fewer actually voted for him later...
Labour need to get their ducks in a row if they really want to get rid of him. If they have 3 leadership contenders again, the vote will be split as Corbyn does still have its supporters, especially the trade unions.
nelsonroyale
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Word. He took the unification path by going in bed with those who were trying to oust him. Admirable perhaps, but it hasn't worked out.
Personally, I hope the Labour party splits. Ideologically and policy wise it is all over the shop.
Goomba: There is widespread dispondancy, people are clinging to 'pragmatic realism'.
PJV3
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I'm pro Corbyn, the electoral system and the PLP turning Its back make his job impossible.
JonathanEx
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But what I mean is - does he need to hit the 15% MP nominating him threshold to be on the ballot, or does he get on automatically as the incumbent?
If he needs the 15% I think he might be fucked at the first hurdle.
Palette Swap
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Wow, it's almost like a British political crisis that's been festering for decades just poisoned an entire continent.
Mind you, there's no British exceptionalism in this, several continental powers are in comparable situations.
Mind you, there's no British exceptionalism in this, several continental powers are in comparable situations.
Good question, they didn't know on Andrew Marr either. They just said that Corbyn believed he would be on the ballot automatically, but others may have a different opinion.
And_Gignac
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GAF has a lot of political representations: from trump supporters to our very own communists. But this section of posters you are referring could be labeled as plain liberals, which is not the same as leftists.
travisbickle
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I don't believe Corbyn will be out, unless they can get him off the ballot. He's average as fuck, but everyone else is shit.
Bits N Pieces
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Corbyn could have played a blinder in the EU debate, instead his silence was deafening.
Labour are totally fucked now and it's probably going to take them generations' to recover.
Say hello to UKIP, Great Britain, your new opposition party
Labour are totally fucked now and it's probably going to take them generations' to recover.
Say hello to UKIP, Great Britain, your new opposition party
ferrasvansen
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I'd say the opposite is true, but frankly Corbyn is a dinosaur, stuck in the 80s at a time Labour were unelectable. He has made them unelectable again, next election will be a wipe out and I'd reckon UKIP will replace Labour as the second party and that makes me sad. The party has to act before they end up with under a hundred seats and none outside of London.
Jezbollah
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Hilary Benn:
"He's a good and decent man, but he's not a leader".
"I wont put myself forward to be a leader candidate"
"I no longer have confidence in Jeremy, and I would say the best decision he could do is to resign"
"I don't blame Jeremy for the outcome of the Referendum, but I think people saw he didnt bring enthusiasm to argue for the case of the EU"
"He's a good and decent man, but he's not a leader".
"I wont put myself forward to be a leader candidate"
"I no longer have confidence in Jeremy, and I would say the best decision he could do is to resign"
"I don't blame Jeremy for the outcome of the Referendum, but I think people saw he didnt bring enthusiasm to argue for the case of the EU"
ferrasvansen
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So true, everything in a nutshell. Election is pretty much incoming so Labour has a choice, Corbyn and extinction or someone new and a chance to hang in there.
Just quoting this for posterities sake, it may just be the only time that anyone, anywhere has ever considered GAF to be Right-anything.
Its true. I wish it worked, his policies would be good in my mind, but he's clearly not a good leader. Its disappointing as I was so optimistic.
Hilary Benn talking about about the vote, well, the people that directly elect you actually voted to remain in Leeds so as his area is the largely student area of Leeds, so we'll see what happens by the next GE if the wounds haven't healed by then.
A lot of people feel it's too long to wait for the next GE and even if a snap one was called, losing another 5 years is too long.
Indeed.
Corbyn is the mainstream politician who most accurately reflects my views but I'm afraid that his position is simply no longer feasible. He's not a leader on the basis that nobody will follow him. Fingers crossed that we can get a successor that's also anti-austerity.
That said, Corbyn doesn't go unless he wants to go - he has the support of the party members.
I meant a snap one yeah which I think is certain to happen once Boris becomes leader. I don't think they can get a new leader ready to win a snap election.
Yeah, I would agree on that. A new leader isn't going to do anything more than what Corbyn would achieve in a snap election, but some within the party feel they would get some votes back with him gone.
Jezbollah
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If Corbyn is leader by the next election then Labour will literally be starting fresh, Lib Dem style. 29% vote loss is decimating.
Labour will never win with a dull boring commie as a leader. We need a centrist labour party. Fat chance of that happening with the purist grassroots that buy into the personality of cult
They don't care about winning. Only about purity tests
They don't care about winning. Only about purity tests
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Yes, kick out the Blairites, but Corbyn is just incompetent. He's a deadweight. Even being broadly sympathetic to his views and his circumstances, he is just dragging the Labour party down. We need Dan Jarvis.
Jezbollah
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John McDonnell has just stated he wont run a leadership bid right now*.
I don't think it will be a bad thing for the party. Labour needs to stand different from the Conservatives, who will be decimated in the next election for failing the country too many times.
I agree. The next GE will be won on 'We can negotiate a better EU exit deal than the other party'. Can Corbyn do that?
Corbyn only stands a chance if 18-30 year olds turn out like 100% and we all know how the referendum went.
ferrasvansen
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Tories will win a huge majority, end of story.
PJV3
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It won't be Caroline Flint, she hates them.
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