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Corbyn sacks Hilary Benn, Half Shadow cabinet expected to resign today (Labour)
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Corbyn is practically the only English leading MP I like. So I hope he scorches the dicks in the party to the ground. No he's not perfect but fucking hell he's better than Cameron, May, Boris, Osborne or any other shit fest like them to come next.
Guess it goes to show the political divide between England and Scotland that a ton of English hate him. More than likely I like him because a lot of his policies echo the SNP. The scrapping of Trident especially.
But England get rid of him and put in another Tory lite snake I guess. Even when you don't want the Tories you want everyone to be the Tories.
Or wheel out war criminal Blair again and start saying he talks some sense because he said something about Brexit...
Guess it goes to show the political divide between England and Scotland that a ton of English hate him. More than likely I like him because a lot of his policies echo the SNP. The scrapping of Trident especially.
But England get rid of him and put in another Tory lite snake I guess. Even when you don't want the Tories you want everyone to be the Tories.
Or wheel out war criminal Blair again and start saying he talks some sense because he said something about Brexit...
Except Corbyn was elected leader with 60% of the vote. The Tory "majority" was only 37% of the popular vote.
This is currently where I'm at too. The Left is dead in the UK.
Let's be honest. Corbyn would never attain a majority govt in a general election. Not even in his wildest dreams
That's what I'm saying, the rightwing/liberal part of the party has been sabotaging Corbyn from the start. Working with the media to attack his image.
I can't see how somebody can think removing Corbyn right now will end up improving things because it won't. You think you're going to get somebody better but you're going to get Tory-light and will still end up losing. Scotland is a lost cause if you ask me and is in good hands with the SNP anyways.
Jezbollah
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Part of me feels like Corbyn put his own personal convictions and beliefs over that of his party's official stance of being Remain.
I never felt at any time that Corbyn showed any kind of conviction when he did turn up to campaign for a Remain vote. I think we saw true colours and a basic and core incompatibility between Corbyn the activist and Corbyn the leader.
One thing is for sure. All those supposed Conservatives who paid for Labour membership to vote for Corbyn to become leader have inadvertently caused their own party unfathomable damage by doing so.
OriginalThinking
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It's alive and kicking in Scotland. It's not looking great in England
Jezbollah
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FYI, no one has won an election based upon over 50% of the popular vote since the 1930s....
EDIT: Latest resignation: Shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray
Visualante2
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On some level supporting Corbyn feels like condemning the Labour party to failure. They're never going to win back the previously dependable voters like this. Corbyn was generous to the party by having a balanced cabinet. And they betrayed him, now he can surround himself with people who align with him and get some actual work done.
Am I going to have to pay another £3 to keep him in?
Am I going to have to pay another £3 to keep him in?
Really? Really....
Honey Bunny
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Diane Abbott is on BBC1 and I'm agreeing with her. What the fuck is going on.
It's in the local section right now, so that depends on where you ware. I've currently got Yorkshire MPs shouting at each other with the worst politics presenter in the biz.
GOOD NEWS THOUGH EVERYBODY: The UKIP MEP is staying on until we totally leave, so she can not turn up and get paid.
If he does then Labour will become completely irrelevant. Corbyn would need to have a complete personality transplant if he's to mount a credible challenge to Boris in a GE. Does he really look like he has the fire, the hunger and the pragmatism to take Labour back into government? Principles alone don't win you votes.
KurtSloane
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Agreed on Scotland, Labour will never take it back, and for that very reason Labour will most likely never sit in government again ...... unless they appeal to conservative voters, with the New Labour model, or as you rightly put it .... Tory lite.
KurtSloane
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Without Scottish seats its irrelevant, there won't be a Labour government.
And the SNP aren't going anywhere.
Sorry I meant the UK as it's likely going to be in a few years from now, I know Scotland is keeping the left alive. I've actually always deluded myself that we in the North were pretty similar to our brethren up in Scotland but this referendum has shown that that really isn't the case.
My job is probably not going to exist for long after this and with no viable left-wing parties (if they complete the assassination of JC) I may have to seek asylum further North before they build a wall to keep the English out.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I agree and don't think Corbyn really has any conception of what having a party stance means. He just does his thing. There has never been any impression of a coherent plan with a set of electoral goals. There has been no strategy. When the public have been concerned about ISIS, he's whined about the IRA. He is tone deaf and obsessed with propagating his issues regardless of context.
His heart is in the right place. I do believe he cares about the issues he discusses and the country would be better if it shifted more in his direction. He has also been the victim of unfair slurs and smears (the national security threat by Cameron in particular, and is probably a big reason for why they didn't cooperate with the remain campaign), but he's just not fit to lead. Milliband, in hindsight did a far better job doing the thankless task of bridging the enormous divides between Labour's fractured electoral base.
A lot of people like to whine about the superficiality and the PR-infused nature of modern politics from the Blair/Clinton era, and they are right to! Image became more important than actual issues and politicking. However Corbyn is as ruled by his own image as anyone else. His stubborn refusal to media manage just detracts from proper issues as his opponents allow him to get bogged down in side issues.
And the SNP stated very clearly that they'd support a Labour government in Westminster, at least one that makes some effort to lean to the Left.
Has nobody learned to forget all the shit that they read in the press yet?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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posted this in the EU thread, but I think it's more appropriate here instead
travisbickle
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In the UK, under pretty conservative ideals of left and right, Labour hasn't been on the Left since Tony Blair's rise in the party. Someone like Corbyn would probably say Labour hasn't been on the Left since Clement Attlee.
The current problem is capital owners and renters, and young people who aspire to that, are fundamentally right-wing and should stop pretending to be bleeding-heart lefties when they're existence is oppressive to the working class.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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She's an outspoken black woman
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
So people would rather have another Tory-lite Blairclone. Folks in the UK sure like pushing razor blades up their ass.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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From the sounds of it most anti-Corbynites want a squaddie because obviously any old sod who's held a rifle before must be a capable political leader. The idea of an actual killer being in charge has them at maximum tumescence
Jezbollah
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As opposed to what? UKIP replacing Labour as the second largest party?
What would you choose?
Black Republican
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what fucking mess
Unfortunately she's been outspoken in some particularly dumb ways not exactly unique in uk politics
She's also the type of backbencher who made a living being a professional current affairs guest which usually leads said backbencher to pontificate loudly on subjects they have fuck all understanding or interest in
Jezbollah
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If this has proven, expect the 29% of current Labour supporters not voting them in the next election to go up.
And also, Corbyn can kiss goodbye to the Union support.
ferrasvansen
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If true he is done and so is Labour, might as well shut it down now,
Apparently not.
From Sky News:
Union members on Labour's National Executive are to call for unity and will support Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, sources said.
And:
Voters want to elect a leader that they believe will make the best decisions for the *country*. Whereas party activists want a leader that will make their decisions based on the dogmatic beliefs that they share.
As a result, Corbyn is a dream for dogmatic activists, but totally unelectable.
ferrasvansen
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they likely havent been told yet lol.
Jezbollah
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Yep I saw that earlier. That may well change if the BBC reports are found to be true.
Commander Jameson
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Who are all these skilled negotiators, able to bring the party and membership together, waiting in line to become Labour leader? Why won't anyone name who they are? It's a bit like promoting a Leave campaign and not stating what the plan is in case you actually win.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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That's true for many, many politicians, yet she gets more hate than most for what I'm sure are entirely innocent reasons
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/11/labour-mp-warns-abbott-internet-troll-syria
She once said syrian civilians are not suffering and bombing isis would add to their suffering. We are talking about a country where there is half a million dead and half the population exiled from their homes. Tone deaf is not even an excuse
Then when you add her general cluelessness as a tv pundit, it's no suprise where there is a lot of loathing for her
Honey Bunny
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My opinion of Corbyn just shot up
You know the US Democratic party would be considered right wing by international standards? There is no real left in the US. Bernie almost pulled them from centre right to centre.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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The first quote is silly but nowhere near the top of the list of worst things said by a politician (and was 20 years ago), the latter two are both correct
travisbickle
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Wait, what? dogma and belief in an authority to make the best decision are different how?
Billy_Pilgrim
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Get rid of him and get rid of the lazy idiots propping him up in the membership.
chancellor
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Hilary Benn should have been sacked months ago. If labour are not going to campaign on an anti-austerity message and instead just be Torylite then they will continue to lose support. Corbyn should stay, I don't see anyone else who would do a better job at an election than him. At least now he will have a cabinet fully behind him.
He will be lucky to find enough MPS to sit in cabinet right now.
And based on the polling (and the Remain vote), my cat would do better in a general election than him. You know that no opposition party has ever been this low in the polls and then gone on to win right? Against an unpopular government enacting brutal austerity programmes with a tiny, tiny majority? Yet despite that Corbyn has utterly failed to make an impact in anyway.
Also, people need to understand the PLP only has a very small number of 'blairites' - 25 or so at the last count. This is the majority of the party MPs, the middle of the road who were trying to support him, giving up the ghost because he has failed so badly at running a party. Not everything is some giant shadow conspiracy with Mandelson behind it. Sometimes when someone fails so utterly at a job, the right reaction is actually to remove them from the job.
Oh please. The things she said are idiotic and are not appropriate of an MP. The first one alone should have seen her gone.
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