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[Jezbollah]

I don't think it will be a bad thing for the party. Labour needs to stand different from the Conservatives, who will be decimated in the next election for failing the country too many times.

The problem I fear is that the voters who will leave the Tories will go to the same party that the voters who leave Labour will go to - UKIP.

We're either
1) Going to exit the EU in whatever way possible
or
2) See the rise of UKIP as a major political force in the UK.

That is frightening.

 

[Baybars]

Yes, kick out the Blairites, but Corbyn is just incompetent. He's a deadweight. Even being broadly sympathetic to his views and his circumstances, he is just dragging the Labour party down. We need Dan Jarvis.

What's funny is that corbyites keep telling us oh how corbyn won a mandate. Fuck outta here with that talk. cameron won a majority last year in government and he resigned

 

[Yen]

Apparently on Sunday Politics, there's rumours that Caroline Flint has been calling MPs to get support for John McDonnell to lead Labour.

I would be ok with this.

I think Corbyn will stubbornly hold on no matter what but he'll definitely want to be leader in time for Chilcott.

 

[Jezbollah]

And somewhere near Glastonbury, Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson is waiting for the next train back to London

(it's not due to arrive at his station for 1 hour...)

 

[JonathanEx]

He was previously last spotted at a silent disco at 4am.


I mean I know he's had some missteps in the last year or so, but damn if he's not looking likeable right now.

 

[Jezbollah]

Jeremy Clarkson (‏@JeremyClarkson)
Everyone called Jeremy gets sacked eventually

 

[RetroDLC]

The problem I fear is that the voters who will leave the Tories will go to the same party that the voters who leave Labour will go to - UKIP.

We're either
1) Going to exit the EU in whatever way possible
or
2) See the rise of UKIP as a major political force in the UK.

That is frightening.

The next election is going to focus on who can negotiate with Europe the best, and who will stabilise the country while maintaining a strong NHS.

The Conservatives with their austerity have harmed the country to an extreme. Cameron resigning has left Boris, Gove and May in a hard position that will leave half the country hating them and the party. Labour needs to stand apart from the old guard and be seen viable as the opposition and future of the country, which I believe will be supported. UKIP will have to deal with distancing itself from its undesirable demographic of racists and hooligans, along with Farage being hated more for being part of the leave vote who will not be able to keep their Brexit campaign promises.

 

[tomtom94]

Time to go, Jeremy. You tried to do the right thing (most of the time) but it didn't work out for you.

 

[Moosichu]

Jeremy Clarkson (‏@JeremyClarkson)
Everyone called Jeremy gets sacked eventually

Unfortunately Jeremy Hunt is clinging on.

 

[Jezbollah]

The next election is going to focus on who can negotiate with Europe the best, and who will stabilise the country while maintaining a strong NHS.

The Conservatives with their austerity have harmed the country to an extreme. Cameron resigning has left Boris, Gove and May in a hard position that will leave half the country hating them and the party. Labour needs to stand apart from the old guard and be seen viable as the opposition and future of the country, which I believe will be supported. UKIP will have to deal with distancing itself from its undesirable demographic of racists and hooligans, along with Farage being hated more for being part of the leave vote who will not be able to keep their Brexit campaign promises.

Unfortunately, I think UKIP wont care about any kind of distancing themselves from racists and hooligans, as long as it means they get as many MPs as possible. And from what we've seen from the Referendum vote, they'll get a ton of them from all parts of the country.

 

[Omikaru]

I like Corbyn and I broadly agree with his platform, but he isn't a leader, and Labour as a movement is finished. They don't have anyone to replace him with, for starters, and even if they did the party as a whole is tarnished among the working class vote that relies on them.

Why have a party for workers when the jobs market is in tatters? Unemployment is gonna increase because of Brexit. Even if we don't go through with it, the uncertainty is going to murder us. And then there's also the natural decrease in jobs due to automation and such that's going to impact everywhere.

I just don't think Labour is the right progressive movement for the challenges that this country faces. Getting rid of Corbyn puts the party into the electoral abyss even worse than keeping him, and maybe in the long term, could that be for the best?

But then the other side of me keeps telling me that the left should band together instead of fighting among themselves, and come to a solution that sorts this mess out. It'll be regarded as big a blunder of the left as Brexit was for the whole country if they don't band together to clean this mess up. Quite frankly, it's shocking that we have SNP, Plaid, The Greens, Labour, and many other left-wing causes siphoning off votes and mindshare in different directions right now.

 

[Kurtofan]

The problem I fear is that the voters who will leave the Tories will go to the same party that the voters who leave Labour will go to - UKIP.

We're either
1) Going to exit the EU in whatever way possible
or
2) See the rise of UKIP as a major political force in the UK.

That is frightening.

or both

 

[Randdalf]

I have two questions:
1. In the last Labour leadership election, the leadership candidates had to be nominated by MPs. Has that process changed, or is it different in these circumstances? If I remember correctly, Corbyn barely scraped enough votes to participate last time around.
2. Nobody's talking about the Liberal Democrats. Do people expect them to benefit from this fallout?

 

[DJKhaled]

Cameron has just resigned and Labour is busy tearing itself apart. Looks like they've taken a page out of the Australian Labor Party's book.

This makes no sense.

 

[RetroDLC]

Unfortunately, I think UKIP wont care about any kind of distancing themselves from racists and hooligans, as long as it means they get as many MPs as possible. And from what we've seen from the Referendum vote, they'll get a ton of them from all parts of the country.

Not everyone who voted leave associates with UKIP.

 

[Jezbollah]

I have two questions:
1. In the last Labour leadership election, the leadership candidates had to be nominated by MPs. Has that process changed, or is it different in these circumstances? If I remember correctly, Corbyn barely scraped enough votes to participate last time around.
2. Nobody's talking about the Liberal Democrats. Do people expect them to benefit from this fallout?

Corbyn got onto the leadership ballot last time around by getting the very minimum 35 MP's signatures.

OK, looking at this link, 35 MPs are again required to put anyone (including the incombant leader) on the Leadership ballot if a challenge is made to that leader. There were moves to reduce this threshold before the council elections just in case Labour did really badly - so even right now it depends on JC getting those 35 signatures again

Not everyone who voted leave associates with UKIP.

If any of the next Conservative or Labour leadership hint at any kind of resistance to the referendum result, I fear they soon will.

 

[JonathanEx]

Tom Watson's final Snapchat from last night: https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/746998561687109632

What a comedown.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Labour are weak these days. Tories will win again.

 

[SuperSah]

this is an utter shitshow

 

[Red Liquorice]

The problem I fear is that the voters who will leave the Tories will go to the same party that the voters who leave Labour will go to - UKIP.

We're either
1) Going to exit the EU in whatever way possible
or
2) See the rise of UKIP as a major political force in the UK.

That is frightening.

Exactly. Leaving the EU seems to be a part of the larger shift to the right-wing. Just thinking about it makes my anxiety levels rise.


The Labour Party MPs acted like spoilt kids who'd been told to eat their vegetables from the minute Corbyn gained popularity and became a main contender, they should've recognised the support behind him rather than sulk over it. Now they will be weaker than ever, but will blame Corbyn of course.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Watching Phillip Hammond was an eye opener, only Tory to tell the truth so far, this is a fucking mess, country is fucked, end of story.

 

[Rich!]

He should have sacked him months ago when he questioned his leadership. It's about time Corbyn actually surrounded himself with some of the people that support him. At least now he has only the Guardian and BBC to contend with.

Oh god.

No, corbyn does not need a safe space. He's about as effective as a tissue condom. He needs to go and should never have been made leader to begin with.

 

[Randdalf]

Corbyn got onto the leadership ballot last time around by getting the very minimum 35 MP's signatures.

OK, looking at this link, 35 MPs are again required to put anyone (including the incombant leader) on the Leadership ballot if a challenge is made to that leader. There were moves to reduce this threshold before the council elections just in case Labour did really badly - so even right now it depends on JC getting those 35 signatures again

Thanks, very interesting.

 

[Carl2291]

Our parliament is falling apart when we need it the most.

 

[mo60]

Labour are weak these days. Tories will win again.

Will competely depend on how voters feel about the potential extremely early GE and what shape labour is in a few months.Will voters even want to vote again for the third time in like a year and a bit?

If the conservatives manage to piss off voters with the extemely early GE they may pay the price and end up with a minority government or lose government. Also it's never a good idea to assume that just because the opposition is weak that the government will be able to beat them pretty easily.A government were I lived tried the call an early election for a mandate idea like a year ago(for a budget they wanted to bring to the voters) while the opposition was weak and it blew up in their face and they lost power for the first time in literally 43 years.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Our parliament is falling apart when we need it the most.

I fear if we have any sort of economic emergency or major event, which now looks likelier, they will be so focused on new leaders etc the country will be in dire straits.

 

[Orbis]

Our parliament is falling apart when we need it the most.

Indeed. I mentioned yesterday that the Tories need to immediately start proceedings for a leadership election as of Monday. That's probably wishful thinking but it needs to happen. It looks likely that is going to happen for Labour very soon. This can't be dragged out. We are amidst the greatest crisis in British politics in modern history and the best that can be done right now is to have strong leadership in place.

Right now it feels as though we have no Prime Minister. And no viable opposition leader.

As much as I hate the Tories, I would like them to implement strong leadership to lead us through the Exit process as soon as possible. And then for Labour to build a strong opposition for the next election.

 

[CyclopsRock]

There were a number of people in UKPoligaf who voted for Corbyn last time but said they wouldn't again. Last time he was an unknown quantity. Now there has been a year of basically ineffectual leadership and opposition to consider.

 

[brain_stew]

The Labour Party MPs acted like spoilt kids who'd been told to eat their vegetables from the minute Corbyn gained popularity and became a main contender, they should've recognised the support behind him rather than sulk over it. Now they will be weaker than ever, but will blame Corbyn of course.

According to the Guardian, leaked internal polls are saying they have already lost 1/3 of their core working class / lower middle class vote under Corbyn and that is only going to get much worse. The only support Corbyn ever had was from unions, London liberals and under 30s and he's royally pissed off all of them with his shambles of a referendum campaign.

These MPs are trying to save their party from decades of irrelevance.

 

[StayDead]

Corbyn is so dangerous...

He's a threat to YOUR families security. - Cameron

Corbyn isn't dangerous, he's the best leader Labour have had in years.

 

[Rich!]

Corbyn isn't dangerous, he's the best leader Labour have had in years.

when the competition is ed miliband, gordon brown and an insane war criminal, that's not exactly a hard thing to acheive.

 

[jelly]

He might have good intentions but he is not a leader whatsoever so needs to go.

 

[War Peaceman]

when the competition is ed miliband, gordon brown and an insane war criminal, that's not exactly a hard thing to acheive.

Both of those were better leaders

 

[Orbis]

He might have good intentions but he is not a leader whatsoever so needs to go.

I was willing to give him a chance, but not only does he not align with a significant enough portion of the electorate, he is also woefully weak as a leader. He feels like a caretaker leader.

when the competition is ed miliband, gordon brown and an insane war criminal, that's not exactly a hard thing to acheive.

All three of those would've been up at the forefront of the Remain campaign, alongside Cameron and co, and that probably would've swung enough votes to win.

 

[Moosichu]

Both of those were better leaders

Better at leading. Not better leaders.

 

[Rich!]

Both of those were better leaders

Well, that's debateable. They could actually lead a party, but they were absolute twats.

Jeremy Corbyn seems alright in terms of his views, but he couldn't organise or lead a piss up in a brewery.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Well, that's debateable. They could actually lead a party, but they were absolute twats.

Jeremy Corbyn seems alright in terms of his views, but he couldn't organise or lead a piss up in a brewery.

Yeah a lot of Corbyns politics i agree with, but frankly he is far too timid, leaders have to show strength and frankly he looks like he is a mouse, scared and unsure.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Corbyn needs to go.

 

[Condom]

Good. Purge the pseudo-liberals. They want leadership, give them leadership and kick them out.

 

[Jezbollah]

Gloria Del Piero has resigned.

 

[KurtSloane]

Corbyn needs to go.

Labour are out of touch with the working class, Corbyn is not the man to reconnect.


Without Scottish votes, Labour will never take the government again.

Labour always talked about being there to keep the Tories out, they then campaigned hand in hand to keep Scotland in the UK and always at risk of a UK Tory government.

Idiots, gland the SNP wiped them out in Scotland, the sooner the Scots leave the better.

 

[Hasney]

Corbyn certainly has his supporters still based on the Sunday Politics. He may yet survive this.

 

[PJV3]

Tom Watson's final Snapchat from last night: https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/746998561687109632

What a comedown.

The one with him stood in the mud is funnier.

 

[LewieP]

I actually met Tom Watson at Glastonbury a few years ago. Had a good chat and me made a strong impression.

Edit: Shame he can never be leader whilst Murdoch is alive.

 

[Hazanko]

I like Corbyn's views on lots of thing but he just can't lead. He won't win a general election and I sure as hell don't want a conservative victory again, he has to go.

 

[JonathanEx]

The one with him stood in the mud is funnier.

Buzzfeed have attempted to explain the coup using his glasto Snapchat: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterso...nshot?bftwuk&utm_term=.tvvE5OXPNA#.kwZA6XBvMq

 

[Empty]

corbyn's problem is incompetence

we knew how the tory shires and the cities would go. the leave vote was won on the day by leave arguments convincing labour voters in labour heartlands, sunderland, wales etc. that's where they over-performed.

now maybe the problems there were deep long term, too many years of hostility to europe and scepticsm about migration, economic stagnation, cultural alienation etc. (let's just ignore that the corbyn pitch was that he as a leader was uniquely placed to access these people yet we're losing them to ukip faster than ever)

but if there was any chance of these labour voters being convinced that the eu was in their best interests, we needed to work as hard as possible.

instead

Less than a month before the historic EU referendum, the team assembled by Cameron to keep Britain in the European Union was worried about wavering Labour voters and frustrated by the opposition leader’s lukewarm support. Remain campaign operatives floated a plan to convince Corbyn to make a public gesture of cross-party unity by appearing in public with the prime minister. Polling showed this would be the “number one” play to reach Labour voters.

Senior staff from the campaign “begged” Corbyn to do a rally with the prime minister, according to a senior source who was close to the Remain campaign. Corbyn wanted nothing to do with the Tory leader, no matter what was at stake. Gordon Brown, the Labour prime minister whom Cameron vanquished in 2010, was sent to plead with Corbyn to change his mind. Corbyn wouldn’t.

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-...-remain-boris-craig-oliver-jim-messina-obama/

And his EU planning diary - leaked to HuffPost - as a result was ‘light’ on EU events. MPs felt there were days where Corbyn did nothing at all on the campaign, while Cameron was out on the stump nearly every single day. Some were surprised he took a holiday in the middle of the campaign itself.

Corbin was encouraged by staff to avoid participating in LabourIN events, TV debates or any ‘StrongerIn’ events. Instead of working on a common position, an “alternative narrative” was developed in which Corbyn would criticise the EU’s weaknesses and call for reform.

The phrase ‘That’s why I am campaigning to remain in the EU’ was deleted from numerous leader speeches and interventions in the long and short campaigns outside of the LabourIN campaign, despite calls from other parts of the Party to him to get involved.

Corbyn’s allies signed off a planned visit to Turkey early in the ‘short campaign’, to talk about “open borders”. After opposition from other parts of the party, it was eventually vetoed.

The leader’s office declined to cooperate with other parts and wings of the Labour Party in making the case to remain, including any cooperation with former leaders Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. It also vetoed repeated attempts to get him to make a video explaining why he was campaigning to remain.

One Labour campaign source said that the head of the LabourIn campaign, Alan Johnson, asked for a meeting with Corbyn in April and was told by his team that the only available date would be July.

One particular flashpoint came when Corbyn’s team promised to include significant pro-Remain content in a keynote speech Corbyn was due to give at green energy firm Ecotricity in mid-May. The speech was in the “EU grid” and was flagged as a big EU intervention to the press. But all pro-EU content ended up being removed by Milne, insiders say.

On the Sunday before polling day the leader’s office broke promises to let Sunday newspaper journalists have pro-EU comments ahead of Corbyn’s appearance on the BBCs Andrew Marr show.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...nd-fuelled-brexit_uk_576eb1b5e4b0d2571149bb1f

he's meant to be engaging young voters but instead his refusal to engage has damned younger voters to a weaker country for the rest of our lives

 

[KurtSloane]

Good. Purge the pseudo-liberals. They want leadership, give them leadership and kick them out.

Labour is working class first, not liberal.

That's why they are in such a mess.

 

[War Peaceman]

Better at leading. Not better leaders.

Well, that's debateable. They could actually lead a party, but they were absolute twats.

Jeremy Corbyn seems alright in terms of his views, but he couldn't organise or lead a piss up in a brewery.

So better leaders then.

Milliband and Brown are far better ethically and politically than Blair, Cameron*, Gove, Johnson, May, Fox, Farage, etc.

EDIT:

Excellent post by Empty above (as usual). Corbyn is just lazy and bad at his job.

 

[MrS]

The absolute madman

Won't be long before he's gone now.