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[GK86]

I know there is a big thread, but figured new thread for new news.

http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/

http://scribblelive.mobi/Event/Apple_vs_Samsung_verdict?Theme=4563

Thanks to SRG01 for cnet link.

Given the complexity of the task, a verdict back this soon is shocking. Some 700 individual decisions needed to be made for the jury to finish its job.

3 days it took for them to reach a decision.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Someone hold me

 

[Rubbish King]

Someone hold me

I got you bro....i got you

 

[dekline]

Someone hold me

Lets hold each other

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Oh my.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Lets hold each other

I got you bro....i got you

I only have so many... Handles

 

[giga]

A year ago today: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/08/24Steve-Jobs-Resigns-as-CEO-of-Apple.html

I smell dirty money!

 

[Bboy AJ]

This is not like the Rodney King verdict. I hope something worthwhile comes of this case, like a harder look into software patents.

 

[Rubbish King]

I only have so many... Handles

all of these holdings

 

[Sean]

Nilay Patel of The Verge (former lawyer):

A verdict this fast usually favors the plaintiff, but we'll see.

https://twitter.com/reckless/statuses/239120256952590338

 

[EvilDick34]

This is not like the Rodney King verdict. I hope something worthwhile comes of this case, like a harder look into software patents.

That won't happen unfortunately, big business owns the US government.

 

[LiK]

our tech future is in their hands!

 

[Valnen]

our tech future is in their hands!

Quite literally. They could literally ruin smartphones with this decision if it's a bad one.

 

[SRG01]

Predicting hung jury.

 

[Previous]

oh boy oh boy oh boy

 

[mcfrank]

Predicting hung jury.

Not going to be a hung jury after 2.5 days.

 

[EvilDick34]

I have a bad feeling about this.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I've got butterflies!

 

[Seguin]

As someone who doesn't give a shit, what will happen if Apple or Samsung win?

 

[SRG01]

Not going to be a hung jury after 2.5 days.

Well, you never know.

As someone who doesn't give a shit, what will happen if Apple or Samsung win?

Apple wins: Software patents go thermo.
Samsung wins: All bets off for FRAND.

 

[Dany]

I've not been following this stuff because quite honestly patent lawsuits are very boring

But this verdict is going to decide some 700 decisions between apple/samsung? How did this even unfold in this way?

 

[SRG01]

CNET has been impressing me as of late: http://live.cnet.com/Event/Apple_vs_Samsung_verdict

 

[buhdeh]

Apple wins: Software patents go thermo.

So I guess that means we'll see even more companies try to patent every piece of code they write?

 

[massoluk]

It's going to end up in Appeal anyway.

 

[Sean]

More tweets from Nilay Patel (@reckless on Twitter)

I can't believe Apple and Samsung didn't settle.

Keep in mind that the jury verdict is all-important. Appeals courts don't generally run around turning those over.

Apple and Samsung would appeal legal interpretation, patentability, things like that. Not a finding of fact like infringement.

To be clear: there will be appeals, but this verdict is a HUGE deal.

Be ready for an intense fog of confusion here — they have to read all 700+ answers, and Apple and Samsung will both win some.

 

[Jayayess1190]

How qualified is the Apple-Samsung jury? We found out

 

[freenudemacusers]

all of these holdings

Bro

;_;

 

[SRG01]

So I guess that means we'll see even more companies try to patent every piece of code they write?

Yes, to a greater extent than before. Also trade dress will become more prominent if Apple wins.

 

[GK86]

CNET has been impressing me as of late: http://live.cnet.com/Event/Apple_vs_Samsung_verdict

I was surprised to learn that of the 9-member jury, 4 have worked for tech companies, and two are engineers. This is not a I was surprised to learn that of the 9-member jury, 4 have worked for tech companies, and two are engineers. This is not a naive bunch, apparently. naive bunch, apparently.

There is hope.

 

[mcfrank]

Thanks for the Cnet link

 

[MThanded]

I'm supposed to go biking. I want to hear this first though.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Nilay explained on the latest Verge podcast why Apple would allow this to happen, so I don't know why he is surprised. It's about making a statement at this point. Obviously makes more business sense to settle but if Apple wins this, it solidifies them and all they've been saying/doing.

 

[Big Chungus]

Whoever wins, we all lose.

 

[SRG01]

How qualified is the Apple-Samsung jury? We found out

CNET just mentioned that this jury was more qualified than the Oracle vs Google trial.

 

[Askani]

"So come up to the lab and see what's on the slab. I see you shiver with antici...

...pation."

 

[Valnen]

Whoever wins, we all lose.

Not really. If Samsung wins we don't really lose anything. If Apple wins, everyone loses options when they want to buy a phone.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Oh, this is gonna be interesting.

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

I'm actually nervous about this.

 

[Mr Swine]

I hope Samsung wins, if Apple wins they are probably going to patent as much stuff as possible after this

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

Samsung wins: All bets off for FRAND.

Definitely not. The US government has made it clear that they're going to step in and stop any kind of FRAND abuse like what Motorola and Samsung have tried.

The outcome if Samsung wins is that trade dress issues are not taken as seriously. Copying the look and feel of other companies products becomes a little bit safer for everyone. Bad news for entrepreneurs and innovators.

If Apple wins then it swings in the other direction and trade dress issues are taken more seriously and companies have to be more careful that their products don't look and feel like their competitors. Some of the things Apple has claimed are ridiculous, but many were legitimate claims against Samsung Galaxy.

 

[isual]

I'm excited. This could mean the end of an era, or the beginning of a new empire.

 

[SRG01]

Not really. If Samsung wins we don't really lose anything. If Apple wins, everyone loses options when they want to buy a phone.

No, if Samsung wins, then FRAND patents now become fair game for litigation... not to say they weren't in the first place, but there will be an onus for every company to pay into them or face massive lawsuits.

Definitely not. The US government has made it clear that they're going to step in and stop any kind of FRAND abuse like what Motorola and Samsung have tried.

The outcome if Samsung wins is that trade dress issues are not taken as seriously. Copying the look and feel of other companies products becomes a little bit safer for everyone. Bad news for entrepreneurs and innovators.

If Apple wins then it swings in the other direction and trade dress issues are taken more seriously and companies have to be more careful that their products don't look and feel like their competitors. Some of the things Apple has claimed are ridiculous, but many were legitimate claims against Samsung Galaxy.

I seriously doubt the US government will try anything vis a vis FRAND. They can say they will, but my instincts say no.

 

[Goldrush]

This went by too fast. Regardless of verdict, I feel like they just went Fuck this. For such a technical case, shouldn't there be a lot of confusion?

 

[SoulPlaya]

I haven't been following this. Why is this a big deal?

I don't own a smartphone, btw, so please keep it in simple terms.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Quite literally. They could literally ruin smartphones with this decision if it's a bad one.

Which decision would be bad?

 

[CrankyJay]

One stock is going to go up, another will go down.

 

[Arment]

I haven't been following this. Why is this a big deal?

I don't own a smartphone, btw, so please keep it in simple terms.

There are a plethora of news articles detailing it...

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

Which decision would be bad?

Favoring Apple I assume.

 

[Wario64]

My body is ready

 

[SoulPlaya]

There are a plethora of news articles detailing it...

You're going to make me read, huh?

Son of a. . . .