SF Kosmo
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SF Kosmo
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I think the argument is that kids can still act as a vector for spread. But the bar for vaccines should always be if the risk of the disease far outweigh the risks from the vaccine and with the heart swelling issue that seems to impact younger boys in particular, I am not sure if the current mRNA vaccines meet that standard. Protein vaccines might, because the adjuvants are different.
funkygunther
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But is threshold of antibodies enough? I don't know much about this but there's other immune responses (t-cells?) that need to be accounted for. In layman's terms that I can understand the confidence of an antibody test needs to be on par with the confidence of the vaccine, on a population as a whole. The two need to be comparable. Are we there yet?
Found this quite interesting article:
Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
The US CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine. Jennifer Block investigates When the vaccine rollout began in...
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MisterFalcon
Member
Hearing Rogan boast about his 'natural antibodies' while having received a bunch of lab grown Regeneron antibodies was a good one. It also carries the suggestion that vaccinated people do not have these superior natural antibodies but some shoddy fake stuff that eventually will fail, leaving the 'naturally immune' master race to finally win out.
In that short clip Rogan drops one half truth after the other and since he is a far better podcaster then any of his guests he always comes off better for 'Rogan DESTROYS CNN doctor' clickbait.
In that short clip Rogan drops one half truth after the other and since he is a far better podcaster then any of his guests he always comes off better for 'Rogan DESTROYS CNN doctor' clickbait.
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WhamBamThankYouMaam
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”Media can’t be trusted so I will ignore 99% of all scientists and hone in on a select few fringe individuals as trustworthy sources.”
So where in the in New York Times article that Sharyl references does it predict that the vaccine won't be ready until 2033?As long as I waited for these lies...sorry, mistakes.
Media Errors during the Trump Era: A Comprehensive List | Sharyl Attkisson
Discover a comprehensive list of media errors made during the Trump era. Explore notable mistakes and missteps in reporting.sharylattkisson.com
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
It doesn't require deep investigation of that blog to see what their motivations are. I mean it's surface-level obvious and barely worth mentioning. I was just pointing out how you quickly took apolitical topics like a virus and pandemic responses into certain directions and then linked to a predictable source.
It's just we've seen this type of reaction many times before in this thread (and its ancestors) but have never been given a direct answer why you and yours always take this exact, predictable route. I was hoping for an honest and direct answer, that's all. I really don't wanna click through various blog links and try to decipher vague questions to figure that out. And if you don't want to answer but rather call me an asshole I am fine with that too - I probably deserve it and this is just a forum anyways.
funkygunther
Banned
They travel on a single track and at a single speed. Very easy to out manoeuvre once the signs become obvious.
Physiognomonics
Member
Beware. In most hospitals around the world you are "unvaccinated" for 14 days after your covid vaccine and many subsequent deaths will be labelled as COVID death even without a covid test.
Men_in_Boxes
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No no no no. We're not shifting goalposts yet.
You said it was "clearly a far right blog".
You used the word "clear"
You used the phrase "far right".
We all want to know how far right this blog is. How many a's should we use when typing faaaaar right?
The clues to the motivations of the blog are hidden within the title of the piece and the fact that you don't have to investigate anything at all. Corporate media can no longer be trusted.
Underneath the paywall. Take a look at the line graph at the top.
That's a graph of what a "typical" timeline for developing a vaccine would be, without attempting to accelerate anything. It's not a projection of what the actual development of the COVID vaccine was expected to look like, since of course we are in the middle of a global pandemic!
All you need to do is click the "goal" button and it provides a roadmap for developing and distributing the vaccine within the 18 months target. Literally in the article it says:
"If a vaccine proves successful in early trials, regulators could issue an emergency-use provision so that doctors, nurses and other essential workers could get vaccinated right away — even before the end of the year. Researchers at Oxford announced this week that their coronavirus vaccine could be ready for emergency use by September if trials prove successful"
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Men_in_Boxes
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I can't see past the paywall so I can only see the graph at the top.
You can view the text at least, here:
Opinion | How Long Will a Vaccine Really Take? (Published 2020)
Experts say at least 18 months. Here’s how to shorten the timeline.
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Men_in_Boxes
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You can view the text at least, here:
Opinion | How Long Will a Vaccine Really Take? (Published 2020)
Experts say at least 18 months. Here’s how to shorten the timeline.web.archive.org
It appears that you're right. She mistook the AIDS vaccine timeline with the Covid19 vaccine timeline. Good catch.
That being said, two of the three paragraphs she wrote seem to be correct. It's a FUD article that attempted to discredit Trumps vaccine timeline, and was basically proven wrong.
On to the the next 155 media mistakes...
SF Kosmo
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But it wasn't really. People were right to say the vaccine wouldn't be available in October. It was available in January. That's not a huge difference but it's both important and correct.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Untrustworthy people use half truths, framing, and tone to mislead people. Three tactics that have been used since the dawn of the caveman.
It works on people who want to believe. It doesn't work on skeptical people.
I'm sure it works on me in certain situations as well.
That article reads like FUD to me.
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
surely as a self proclaimed skeptic, you will admit Trump was the king of "half truths, framing, and using tone to mislead people", right? or do you just pick and choose what you are "skeptical" about like every other political hack
that article you posted is garbage, the peoples twitters you post from are garbage, and your critical thinking skills are garbage. this is all fine by itself, but don't go around patronizing others about your so-called skeptical skills to repel bad information when it's painfully obvious to everyone you are unable to do so
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Men_in_Boxes
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surely as a self proclaimed skeptic, you will admit Trump was the king of "half truths, framing, and using tone to mislead people", right? or do you just pick and choose what you are skeptical about like every other political hack
The king of half truths, framing, and using tone to mislead people? No. He wanted to be, for sure. Corporate media took that crown pretty easily.
funkygunther
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having linked to an article that you admit contains false information would you say that article had half-truths, framing or a tone to mislead people?
SpiceRacz
Member
To be fair, he was being pressed on the airline thing. He wasn't just arguing for the sake of arguing. Also, there's a lot of info out there on the SWA situation - including the weather conditions at the time (from actual pilots in Florida), among other things, that were causing people to question the flight cancellations. Not all skepticism towards the news is rooted in right-wing conspiracy theories.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
he doesn't care; in his own words, which are not false, "it works on people who want to believe". there's just 0 self awareness going on
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SF Kosmo
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I think people were worried trump would "pull a Putin" and push out a vaccine before trials had met their data threshold. Which makes a lot of assumptions about Trump's ability to control the levers of power in ways he realistically would never be able to, since he could barely even keep a cabinet together, but nonetheless would be a nightmare scenario.
Because of that bad decision, Russia has the highest vaccine hesitancy of any country in the world, despite wide availability. Because of their refusal to wait those short few months, they may never catch up. So I think it was right to point out why we don't want to do that. According to insider accounts, Trump wanted to do that too, he just couldn't.
Men_in_Boxes
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You do see the difference between someone like Sheryl Attkisson making a mistake / lying and when corporate media makes a mistake / lies right?
Corporate media has infrastructure and resources that dwarfs someone like Attkisson. They have reach and power that Attkison doesn't. So when 1 out of 156 bullet points gets called out (justifiably so) that doesn't exactly put the two in the same boat. The other 155 lies matter.
funkygunther
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I see the difference between you saying skeptics don’t fall for half truths and then not only falling for half truths, but also defending them blindly until someone makes it so clear to you that you can‘t continue
so have you verified the other 155 claims now that you know that there is reason to be sceptical of that article?
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Narasumas
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There have been many “insider accounts” that turned out to be falsified or exaggerated once all the dust settled. It’s hard to frame a statement around a presupposition you (and I mean the media when I say that) have about a president that you disagree with about an action that hasn’t even taken place.
We spent four years on a Russia path similar to this.
Look, whether you are on one side or the other politically, I think we can all agree that the news media at large has become a gross industry that has strayed very far from its original journalistic roots. It’s everywhere, and on both sides.
Not really a reply to you Kosmo, but more of a general statement on my part.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The ironing is delicious.
Men_in_Boxes
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It's not though.
"Can't trust corporate media" has turned into "Your media is worse" which essentially means you've ceded ground on my original point. Corporate media is crumbling when the best defense for it is "Sharyl Attkisson was wrong on 1 of her 156 media mistakes blog".
It's a sinking ship that has a few people left trying to bail water out for it.
Enjoy the ironing I guess?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
The only recent lie in this thread was your assertion that vaccine mandates had anything to do with the Southwest cancellations. What does Trump have to do with anything? This isn’t your thread to derail with whatever pent up grievance you need to air out.
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funkygunther
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chromhound
Member
Still feel like shit after the second. Weird feeling around my heart
funkygunther
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Still feel like shit after the second. Weird feeling around my heart
if shit ain’t right then you might want to get to a hospital for an ECG
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
any breathing problems or swelling?Still feel like shit after the second. Weird feeling around my heart
funkygunther
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this is a good documentary, at least it starts off as a good one before the various threads it lays out get crossed or end without a conclusion
there‘s a lot of suspicion around what happened in Wuhan and then China’s actions to hold and hide it, and then WHO dragging its legs to declare a pandemic
but this documentary only has talking heads that agree with each other, and except at 47 mins where she lays into Trump for starting gain of function research, there’s no conflicting viewpoints presented
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BouncyFrag
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Big Pharma after adding the Animal Kingdom to their customer base:
Big Pharma after adding the Animal Kingdom to their customer base:
It’s a large list , there is money to be made , rats, mice , weasels, birds you name it .
Physiognomonics
Member
But only after experimental trials are done on humans. You must protect the animals.
funkygunther
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all trials are experimental, that’s their purpose
MisterFalcon
Member
At least the vaccines refused by people are now getting some use instead of being thrown out. Thanks, HCA winners !
funkygunther
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It’s not a human vaccine
MisterFalcon
Member
This is basic math.
If 1 out of every 100 detected infections needs to go to the hospital then 10k infections per day lead to 100 new patients per day
With 90% of the population vaccinated which prevents 90% hospitalization then the same 10k infections will mean 10 unvaccinated (1% of 1000) and 9 vaccinated (10% of 1% of 9000) will be hospitalized.
The headline HALF OF PATIENTS VACCINATED should be EIGHTY PERCENT OF HOSPITALIZATIONS PREVENTED BY VACCINES
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Denominators are hard though
funkygunther
Banned
tell me your anti-vax position is political without telling me your anti-vax position is political