Narasumas
Member
I obviously understand what his posts were…but did he get a warning?
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
And we have a sample size of hundreds of millions that indicate the new ones are safe too.
These vaccines aren't officially in the experimental phase. Your information is wrong. They have already passed phase 1, 2, and 3 trials.
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funkygunther
Banned
sure, probably, maybe not
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
He often posted politicized tweets without any context, so it was really just a matter of time. I didn't have him on ignore or anything, I just took to scrolling past his posts after a while.
FunkMiller
Banned
Had to do the same thing! The wall of tweets was getting a bit much. Dude must spend his life on there
QSD
Member
In an interesting development, Stuart Neil, the expert the guys at Decoding the Gurus had on to 'debunk' the lab leak theory, now also seems to acknowledge that there have been shady goings-on re: gain of function research.
Here is the article he's referring to:
https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/coronavirus-research-ecohealth-nih-emails/
Here is the article he's referring to:
https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/coronavirus-research-ecohealth-nih-emails/
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chromhound
Member
Britain approves Merck's COVID-19 pill in world first
Britain on Thursday became the first country in the world to approve a potentially game-changing COVID-19 antiviral pill jointly developed by U.S.-based Merck and R…
torontosun.com
ManaByte
Gold Member
Britain approves Merck's COVID-19 pill in world first
Britain on Thursday became the first country in the world to approve a potentially game-changing COVID-19 antiviral pill jointly developed by U.S.-based Merck and R…
Suddenly people will become anti-pill
chromhound
Member
i think there's a better chance people take thisSuddenly people will become anti-pill
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
yea at this point I think these prayer warriors are looking for any out they can get from this untenable position they've dug their heels on
funkygunther
Banned
Britain approves Merck's COVID-19 pill in world first
Britain on Thursday became the first country in the world to approve a potentially game-changing COVID-19 antiviral pill jointly developed by U.S.-based Merck and R…
Will be passed around like custard creams in every nursing and care home
FunkMiller
Banned
You think? This was as fast in its development and approval as the vaccine was. Surely the same dumb shit attitude will prevail?
Or is this really all about people just being scared of a needle?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Possibly. But then again the same ridiculous arguments used against vaccines still apply to this pill.
It was developed too fast. It's experimental. We don't know the long term effects. Big pharma can't be trusted
My father's cousin's uncle's former roommate took the pill and his dick fell off.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If the underlying reason for most of this anti vaccine pushback is really a fear of needles, that would be the most pathetic thing ever.
chromhound
Member
the woke crowd only accept vegan vaccine in their bodies
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
You gotta keep up on your conspiracies. They will happily take this secretly just rebranded Ivermectin.
Cyberpunkd
Member
We should spread this rumour to trick the anti vax with taking the pill
Airola
Member
Yeah. People have been asking for treatment of the disease instead of a vaccine that is only supposed to act as a preventative measure. Meaning that they've wanted to have something they can use if they get infected instead of something you have to, or are forced or pressured to, take "just in case."
I think that very rarely anti-vaccination people have been completely against pills too.
It only makes sense if this will be accepted by that group better than the vaccination.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It was being hinted at in this very thread long before any pill was available.We should spread this rumour to trick the anti vax with taking the pill
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Except that a lot of anti-vax people have been pushing prophylactic use of various agents from Ivermectin to Zinc and Vitamin D. Probably the least common argument I have seen is that you have to take the vaccine before you get COVID.
Airola
Member
Yeah, that's true so in that regards I'm wrong.
I should've probably said they've wanted to have something that acts both as a treatment and a preventative measure instead of something that is solely a preventative thing.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I think vaccines have two problems in how they are perceived:
1) People don't understand them and their effects fully and perceive them as 'changing' them. People 'feel' like they understand taking a pill for something even though they are wrong about that.
2) Long term effect. It's greatest strength is it's greatest weakness. The effects of vaccination are for years or even for your entire life, which is great but it scares people to commit to a treatment that will be with them until they are old and gray.
This has allowed people like Wakefield to prey on people's doubts and fears.
1) People don't understand them and their effects fully and perceive them as 'changing' them. People 'feel' like they understand taking a pill for something even though they are wrong about that.
2) Long term effect. It's greatest strength is it's greatest weakness. The effects of vaccination are for years or even for your entire life, which is great but it scares people to commit to a treatment that will be with them until they are old and gray.
This has allowed people like Wakefield to prey on people's doubts and fears.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
retracted
www.mdpi.com
RETRACTED: Samaha et al. Effects of a Single Dose of Ivermectin on Viral and Clinical Outcomes in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infected Subjects: A Pilot Clinical Trial in Lebanon. Viruses 2021, 13, 989
The journal retracts the article, Effects of a Single Dose of Ivermectin on Viral and Clinical Outcomes in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infected Subjects: A Pilot Clinical Trial in Lebanon [...]
www.mdpi.com
Cyberpunkd
Member
Jesus Christ, each of us has had a dozens of vaccines throughout our lives - kinda too late for the ‘changed’ part.
MisterFalcon
Member
"Well, this MRNA stuff is just too experimental for me"
-people who don't know what MRNA, RNA and DNA stand for
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Physiognomonics
Member
Of course they found a reason to retract it. Significant improvement after only one dose of ultra cheap (20 cents) treatment? Impossible.retracted
RETRACTED: Samaha et al. Effects of a Single Dose of Ivermectin on Viral and Clinical Outcomes in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infected Subjects: A Pilot Clinical Trial in Lebanon. Viruses 2021, 13, 989
The journal retracts the article, Effects of a Single Dose of Ivermectin on Viral and Clinical Outcomes in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infected Subjects: A Pilot Clinical Trial in Lebanon [...]
funkygunther
Banned
"the authors contacted the editorial office regarding an error between files used for the statistical analysis"
what do you know the actual reason to be?
FunkMiller
Banned
So, you think this retraction is a deliberate lie, designed to stop people taking a very effective, cheap medicine that stops Covid?
funkygunther
Banned
anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-lockdown...it's all the same predictable bullshit spread by the same predictable actors and parroted by the same predictable saps
betrayal
Banned
The EU, and Germany in particular, is now confronted with the destruction of millions of vaccine doses that were supposed to be donated to poorer countries in Africa.
Reason: The vaccine manufacturers prohibit the donation to these countries, because the manufacturers themselves would make less profit in these countries. For this reason, there were contractual clauses with the EU that prevent this or make it possible only with the consent of Modern, Pfizer etc. and only with high compensation payments.
Source (german): https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/kontraste/vernichtung-impfstoff-103.html
Cheers to the pharmaceutical industry. This way they will even get more popular and don't cause distrust.
Reason: The vaccine manufacturers prohibit the donation to these countries, because the manufacturers themselves would make less profit in these countries. For this reason, there were contractual clauses with the EU that prevent this or make it possible only with the consent of Modern, Pfizer etc. and only with high compensation payments.
Source (german): https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/kontraste/vernichtung-impfstoff-103.html
Cheers to the pharmaceutical industry. This way they will even get more popular and don't cause distrust.
funkygunther
Banned
Cheers to the EU for signing up to that clause
Cyberpunkd
Member
Cheers for lame program managers of not doing it and letting Pharma companies take their chance over 5 years in court. We in kindergarten now?
funkygunther
Banned
if kindergarten = understanding how contracts work then yeah we are
I'm not sure if this should be the first place I reply to when signing up for the board, but I saw the thread and figured I'd reply.
I've just gotten over the Covid sickness about two weeks ago, I wouldn't have figured it was anything else other than the flu but the symptoms just weren't going away. I didn't have any energy while having a constant migraine. I'd take some advil and just let the shower pour on me for quite some time as it would at least take the pain of a migraine away but it still persisted.
When I would walk around, I'd constantly feel dizzy all while losing my sense of taste and smell (which is finally coming back to me). It's the strangest thing when you have clear sinuses and you can't smell anything, not even the body wash you're holding next to your face in hopes of just getting 'something' to register.
I wouldn't have even thought it was Covid, although I had nearly every symptom for it...except for any cough, which is why I figured it was just the Flu. My girlfriend finally told me to take a test and it came back positive and I had to quarantine (which is what led me to sign up for this site in the first place, I didn't have much else to do).
Now I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I was set up to take the covid shot sometime back in the summer, but the more I'd read about it and the more incentives that were given just to receive it and that put a halt to any of that. My job was giving people 100 dollars to get a shot and that didn't feel right to me and the forceful nature of people absolutely turned me away from it and luckily, Covid didn't do that much damage to me at all. I've had much worse sicknesses and that's mostly because I suffer from severe migraines in general.
However, my girlfriend's father who I got Covid from - who was also vaccinated had everything much worse than I did. The way his coughs sound today are nightmarish. He's still constantly coughing and out of energy, but he's doing his best to combat it and get back on his feet. At the same time, no one else in his family caught the virus and they're all vaccinated and I was still kissing my girlfriend while all this was going on.
I think it's alright to be skeptical of the vaccine and if you want to take it, why not? Forcing it on people is absolutely insane. I'm still anti-vaccine after having Covid, I don't even like wearing masks, but I'm not gonna tell people to get it or not to get it and then posts links saying how insane it is to get it or not get it. It should be up to the individual to make their own choice with the information we're all presented with and beat over the head with.
Luckily, it didn't ruin my Halloween and it was blast to see so many people out again after being stuck inside last year (I'm in California). I'm glad people just aren't afraid anymore...at least in this town. It was the busiest Halloween I've seen in years.
I've just gotten over the Covid sickness about two weeks ago, I wouldn't have figured it was anything else other than the flu but the symptoms just weren't going away. I didn't have any energy while having a constant migraine. I'd take some advil and just let the shower pour on me for quite some time as it would at least take the pain of a migraine away but it still persisted.
When I would walk around, I'd constantly feel dizzy all while losing my sense of taste and smell (which is finally coming back to me). It's the strangest thing when you have clear sinuses and you can't smell anything, not even the body wash you're holding next to your face in hopes of just getting 'something' to register.
I wouldn't have even thought it was Covid, although I had nearly every symptom for it...except for any cough, which is why I figured it was just the Flu. My girlfriend finally told me to take a test and it came back positive and I had to quarantine (which is what led me to sign up for this site in the first place, I didn't have much else to do).
Now I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I was set up to take the covid shot sometime back in the summer, but the more I'd read about it and the more incentives that were given just to receive it and that put a halt to any of that. My job was giving people 100 dollars to get a shot and that didn't feel right to me and the forceful nature of people absolutely turned me away from it and luckily, Covid didn't do that much damage to me at all. I've had much worse sicknesses and that's mostly because I suffer from severe migraines in general.
However, my girlfriend's father who I got Covid from - who was also vaccinated had everything much worse than I did. The way his coughs sound today are nightmarish. He's still constantly coughing and out of energy, but he's doing his best to combat it and get back on his feet. At the same time, no one else in his family caught the virus and they're all vaccinated and I was still kissing my girlfriend while all this was going on.
I think it's alright to be skeptical of the vaccine and if you want to take it, why not? Forcing it on people is absolutely insane. I'm still anti-vaccine after having Covid, I don't even like wearing masks, but I'm not gonna tell people to get it or not to get it and then posts links saying how insane it is to get it or not get it. It should be up to the individual to make their own choice with the information we're all presented with and beat over the head with.
Luckily, it didn't ruin my Halloween and it was blast to see so many people out again after being stuck inside last year (I'm in California). I'm glad people just aren't afraid anymore...at least in this town. It was the busiest Halloween I've seen in years.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Let me put it this way: if I was risking 50 000€ fine for breaching a 150 000€ contract I thought was not in the best interest of my company - fuck yeah I would do it.
funkygunther
Banned
Is the company here the EU? Because they would be the ones breaking the agreement by giving the vaccines away. Which they totally should. Or I'm misinterpreting.
funkygunther
Banned
The knots you tie yourself into for the sake of whatever philosophy you set for yourself
I'm not anti-vaccine. I've taken many through my life, but as I explained in how people react and businesses reacted completely turned me off from wanting to be apart of that process so I decided that it wasn't something I wanted. I'm certainly anti-covid vaccination (for myself) I'm not going to talk other people out of it if it's what is right for them.
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funkygunther
Banned
Yeah you didn't get it out of spite, I understand.
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And it worked out as Covid really didn't have any crazy hold on me and certainly didn't cause any long-lasting damage, so it was certainly the right decision for myself. I'm mostly happy that my smell and taste are returning after a few weeks rather than a few months or a year, which I've been reading about. That would be a nightmare.
I tried to stick with water and energy drinks - mostly because you could at least feel the bite that an energy drink has no matter if you can taste or not.
funkygunther
Banned
Well you sure showed them and yourself, congrats
I wasn't trying to 'show them' or anything, that's not even what I'm about or my mentality. I just wanted to share what I went through and why I made the decisions I did in a Covid related topic. If you're for a vaccine, that's great. It helped my girlfriend not even deal with any sickness at all and I hope that happens for others as well.
funkygunther
Banned
You are all over the place. You admitted that doing it out of spite "worked out" so you took a risk because you didn't like some messaging and managed to be lucky. Somewhere in your decision making you thought everything you heard about the positives of the vaccine was completely undone because you didn't like how some people advocated for it.
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I didn't like how people were treating each other and I wasn't comfortable with how businesses were handling it and handing out money in order to receive it. It didn't ave anything to do with 'sticking it to the man'. Like I said, I was for it until those moments, it just felt too strange for me and frankly, it still does.
If I thought the vaccines were awful and terrible, I would have talked my girlfriend out of getting them, but that's not my choice - it's hers, and it helped her out. I'm certainly not against other people making their own decision and coming to their own conclusion.
However, I wouldn't consider myself lucky as I was sick for quite some time..it just wasn't the worst sickness I've ever had due to suffering from awful migraines all my life which make almost any sickness seem insignificant.
I think you're trying to twist what I'm saying in order for you to vilify me in some way rather than even trying to come to a common ground or an understanding of my decisions for myself after just dealing with Covid. But to each their own.
funkygunther
Banned
I'm just replaying your decision making back to you. It's not as simple as saying "get the vaccine or don't, your choice" because it's not about buying a type of chocolate bar or not. Regulations and policies are made from vaccine adoption. If more people were like you, which luckily they're not, we would see more lockdowns and more hospitalizations and deaths.
I'm not pro-vaccine as much as I am anti-pandemic, and if high adoption of a safe vaccine is one of the routes out of it then you bet I'm for it.
Jabs, twisting my words and false equivalence. The usual, which is a shame.
I mean...it is that simple - you just see things differently than I do and the difference is you like telling people they should think like you out of fear where I think everyone should make their own decision based on what they feel is right for them. It's this kind of stuff that put me off to the entire thing in the first place and rather than understanding it's just more of the above rather than a conversation.
There's no reason we can't agree with each other and just tip our hats and go "I'm glad you were tested and didn't get anyone else sick and while you're against the vaccine, you don't shun the vaccines from others" but instead it's "You're trying to stick it to the man to feel good about yourself and we're lucky more people aren't like you".
funkygunther
Banned
I chilled the eff and I am letting live, don't be so melodramatic and you can stop with this weird backseat patrolling again.
"the usual" huh? well i'll let that mask slip, er...slip
It's not simple and I've explained to you why, and there is a reason we can't agree with each other and I've explained to you why...to re-iterate, your decision-making took inputs of all the positives of the vaccine and the inputs of some people advocating it and came out that the latter completely negated the former. This is a correct interpretation of the decision you decided to come into this thread and proclaim?
Finding common ground doesn't just work from your perspective. Everyone has had to make the decision to take the vaccine or not, and the majority have either had different inputs to you or they have interpreted those inputs differently to you. And that's what I'm failing to understand.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Trouble is, its not quite so simple:
First question; How effective is the vaccine at preventing transmission as opposed to reducing negative outcomes?
Second; How robust is the vaccine in terms of handling variant strains and mutations. Because the widespread use of any medicine is a force of evolutionary pressure.
Third; No medicine is 100% safe, calculation needs to be made in terms of risk/benefit within cohorts. Especially with a virus as age/health sensitive in pathology as covid. Human error in administration needs to be factored into this.
The plain truth is that there are insufficient longitudinal studies to reveal if/any unexpected negative outcomes will result in the future. There's a strong case to be made that setting aside the issues of vaccine safety completely, that the widespread implementations of lockdowns is going to be result in horrific consequences for general physical and mental health in the long term.
In the future the question will, no doubt, be whether on balance the implementation of social controls was a good thing. I strongly suspect its going to be understood to be an error.