Nobody_Important
āAww, itās so...average,ā she said to him in a cold brick of passion
2021 gotta end on a high note I guess.Jesus Christ!
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funkygunther
Banned
Hopefully theyāre mostly Omicron
funkygunther
Banned
Twitter and LinkedIn living in a Post Malone world
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Shai-Tan
Banned
for context this is the dude who was debunked for making loads of elementary errors and unsubstantiated claims back in June after his appearances on Weinstein and Rogan. Rogan still promoting him because heās a dumbass who went down a rabbit hole full of yes men
Kilau
Gold Member
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Joe needs to have someone like Peter Hotez or Nicholas Christakis on again or Jamie Metzl, but at the same time as one of his other guests who are the other side of the COVID debate so they can debate it out. That would be interesting and productive.
Joe has gotten way too much heat for very lukewarm COVID takes that were disingenuously reported to demonize over the past year and change, but I did get a little annoyed at him a couple episodes ago where he had John Abramson on talking about Big Pharma, and when they got to Omicron, he kept saying that we don't have enough data on it yet to know how deadly it actually is and Joe kept interrupting him and saying "but no one's died from it in America, not a single person. So far it's like the flu." Joe is usually better than that. Even with the vaccines, having not gotten it himself, he has always said people should get it and it does prevent severe illness. But at least with Abramson I felt he allowed his frustration with the pandemic overtake reason. He's human it happens, so I wasn't up in arms about it, but it did annoy me a bit.
Joe has gotten way too much heat for very lukewarm COVID takes that were disingenuously reported to demonize over the past year and change, but I did get a little annoyed at him a couple episodes ago where he had John Abramson on talking about Big Pharma, and when they got to Omicron, he kept saying that we don't have enough data on it yet to know how deadly it actually is and Joe kept interrupting him and saying "but no one's died from it in America, not a single person. So far it's like the flu." Joe is usually better than that. Even with the vaccines, having not gotten it himself, he has always said people should get it and it does prevent severe illness. But at least with Abramson I felt he allowed his frustration with the pandemic overtake reason. He's human it happens, so I wasn't up in arms about it, but it did annoy me a bit.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Joe needs to do the debate format like he did with John Hancock, but with medical people.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I do think there are people who are scared, uninformed, confused and those people can have their minds changed, but there are simply too many people ideologically driven no matter what arguments or data they hear. They will completely ignore mounds of data and arguments and interviews and scoff at them, but the second a doctor makes an appearance on a podcast who is on their side, they use that as proof to back up their stance. When all they really did is cherry pick which doctors to believe based on an ideological slant. That's all it is.
Hotez and Christakis make appearances all the time... crickets. Then McCullough or whomever makes one appearance on a podcast and it's "Peter McCullough exposing the lies in this latest podcast"
And I'm like all you're doing is picking who to believe. It's all so stupid.
Hotez and Christakis make appearances all the time... crickets. Then McCullough or whomever makes one appearance on a podcast and it's "Peter McCullough exposing the lies in this latest podcast"
And I'm like all you're doing is picking who to believe. It's all so stupid.
Malakhov
Banned
In my family's case, it's not even a flu, it's a minor cold.
Feeling top shape now after cold symptoms started Wednesday, still cant taste though. Bummed
12Goblins
Lilā Gobbie
I loved the McCullough episode because I could feel the so-called vaccine hesitants wanting to latch on to his talking points but they really can't understand what he's saying or where he's coming from because the issue is so complex, so really nothing came of it. and anyway if they understood what he was saying, those people likely wouldn't be anti vax in the first place! it was a great podcast btw and I shouldnt have laid judgment so quickly like I did.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Omicron is spreading at lightning speed. Scientists are trying to figure out why
The burning questions: What makes this newly identified variant so transmissible? And what does it mean for preventing spread?
www.npr.org
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
What gets me about this paranoia about "anti vax" rhetoric, is that you rarely see a discussion about why these dissidents hold the views they do, and why they choose to promote them publicly.
I mean, you can look and see pretty easily if a person has some sort of financial incentive for taking a controversial stance, and if there is one... fair enough then there's cause for skepticism. However when there isn't, you really have to think twice about summarily discarding their view, and certainly about how reasonable it is for them to share their "truth".
Just saying, not everyone who gets tarred with the anti-vaxxer brush strikes me as a cynical grifter.
I mean, you can look and see pretty easily if a person has some sort of financial incentive for taking a controversial stance, and if there is one... fair enough then there's cause for skepticism. However when there isn't, you really have to think twice about summarily discarding their view, and certainly about how reasonable it is for them to share their "truth".
Just saying, not everyone who gets tarred with the anti-vaxxer brush strikes me as a cynical grifter.
funkygunther
Banned
the gaslighters, the gaslit, and the gaslit that gaslight others
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
What's that supposed to mean?
Just because there are dishonest dealers, and rubes that buy their snake-oil, does that mean we should just believe every word that spills from the lips of an establishment that we KNOW to be corruptible?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I can't read his mind, but Malone sounds like he's upset that he didn't get more recognition for his part in the pioneering of the vaccine.
No, which is why there's things like critical thinking, skepticism, empirical data, academic education, and logic that we can use to analyze the information we are given so that we can separate the real from the plausible to the fake to the bullshit.
People buying into the anti-vax BS are for the most part starting from a conclusion and working their way back, cherry picking to form a narrative that conforms to their feelings or group think tribe. Or, just putting their trust in the wrong people.
The Fartist
Gold Member
FunkMiller
Banned
The cynical grifters are the minority, Iād say. Most anti-vaxxers are just people ignorant of facts, and believers in the misinformation spread by the grifters. There are also political and religious reasons for being anti-vax.
95mellow
Member
Feeling really bad after my Moderna booster. I had no reaction to my first two Pfizer vaccines.
Bad leg pain, headache, sore throat, vomiting, cold and hot sweats, etc. Did anyone else have a rough time with it? I got it done on the 30th and I'm still absolutely out of it today.
Bad leg pain, headache, sore throat, vomiting, cold and hot sweats, etc. Did anyone else have a rough time with it? I got it done on the 30th and I'm still absolutely out of it today.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Nope, didn't feel anything besides a sore arm
Physiognomonics
Member
Fresh Omicron news from Germany (using official federal sources). Very good news for unvaccinated people.
thenationalpulse.com
REPORT: Nearly 80% of Omicron Cases are in Vaccinated People. - The National Pulse
Nearly 80 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new report from the federal government.Note: This article has been updated following an error by the German federal government. Following publication, the...
thenationalpulse.com
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
And I'm just saying that "anti vaxxer" has become an awfully convenient generic slur to be deployed against any critic of how our institutions are handling this crisis. The conflation of people who's position is based on discomfiture with autocratic measures like mandates, or a desire to seek non-mainstream approaches to health and treatment, with the lunatic fringe who thinks all vaccines are part of a global conspiracy plot is deeply dishonest.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Fresh Omicron news from Germany (using official federal sources). Very good news for unvaccinated people.
REPORT: Nearly 80% of Omicron Cases are in Vaccinated People. - The National Pulse
Nearly 80 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new report from the federal government.Note: This article has been updated following an error by the German federal government. Following publication, the...
Mind bogglingly stupid. Vaccinated are not 21x more likely to get Omicron, rather the share of vaccinated people out of the infected reflects the share of vaccinated people in the general population.
Which is what you would expect, given that he vaccine does not protect against Omicron infection.
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funkygunther
Banned
Fresh Omicron news from Germany (using official federal sources). Very good news for unvaccinated people.
REPORT: Nearly 80% of Omicron Cases are in Vaccinated People. - The National Pulse
Nearly 80 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new report from the federal government.Note: This article has been updated following an error by the German federal government. Following publication, the...
Nice try
funkygunther
Banned
Stop looking for a strawman to fight. There are plenty of "rubes" spreading shite in this thread with no financial incentive whatsoever. You can ask them why they do it.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Bad math.Fresh Omicron news from Germany (using official federal sources). Very good news for unvaccinated people.
REPORT: Nearly 80% of Omicron Cases are in Vaccinated People. - The National Pulse
Nearly 80 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new report from the federal government.Note: This article has been updated following an error by the German federal government. Following publication, the...
Let loose the GAF math masters
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
And you are nowhere near as smart or as righteous as you evidently believe yourself to be.
funkygunther
Banned
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
bless your heartthanks for the ad hominem, please keep them coming
You started it. I just finished it. /Blisted
Serious topics require seriousness and nuance, you demonstrate neither.
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funkygunther
Banned
I'm not the one that called people easily influenced by others "rubes", now I think you just want the last word for whatever you think you've finished
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Indeed, nothing like posting a "serious" topic about why people hold the view they do and then dismissing them as "rubes". That's a very nuanced discussion you want.
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FunkMiller
Banned
Fresh Omicron news from Germany (using official federal sources). Very good news for unvaccinated people.
REPORT: Nearly 80% of Omicron Cases are in Vaccinated People. - The National Pulse
Nearly 80 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new report from the federal government.Note: This article has been updated following an error by the German federal government. Following publication, the...
Maths are hard.
funkygunther
Banned
Not to mention the unvaccinated have been put on their own special lockdown for about a month. Great news for them for sure.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Are you familiar with the concept of the base rate fallacy?Let loose the GAF math masters
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Strawman argument. If someone is arguing against mandates due to discomfort with autocratic measures, that's legitimate. It's also baseless and hypocritical, but it's still a legitimate argument. If someone is doing that but ALSO claiming bullshit "facts" about the vaccines and spreading misinformation that leads to FUD surrounding the vaccines, and refuses to take it for irrational reasons, then that's an "anti vaxxer".
Look at this thread and search for the terms "anti vaxxer" and whom it's attached to. You'll find that your persecution is more imaginary than real.
BadBurger
Many āWhelpsā! Handle It!
I'm just sipping my morning coffee, brain still cloudy after probably one too many drinks last night, and was going to reply to them but I thought to myself "this is just so stupid. It's like explaining basic arithmetic to an elementary school child".
I did click the link though and that site, LOL. Why do all of these grift lord sites all scream "WE ARE CORNY AS HELL AND HERE TO GRIFT YOUR DUMBASS LOL - NOW PAY US BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU WILL YOU CREDULOUS NITWIT - I MEAN PATRIOT"
(Banner from that "news" site)
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betrayal
Banned
After almost 2 years, there are finally clear signs of a turnaround, and yet it is always the same people who forecast the end of the world and mass deaths on the basis of simple, context-free case numbers, hand-picked regional hospital numbers or some completely idiotic individual fates.
Stop browsing the web all time and go outside to realize that life goes on outside your bubble. You almost have to wonder what some people here are going to do with their life after COVID.
Stop browsing the web all time and go outside to realize that life goes on outside your bubble. You almost have to wonder what some people here are going to do with their life after COVID.
Kilau
Gold Member
Itās backwards logic like this that convinces people to not get vaccinated and costs lives.Fresh Omicron news from Germany (using official federal sources). Very good news for unvaccinated people.
REPORT: Nearly 80% of Omicron Cases are in Vaccinated People. - The National Pulse
Nearly 80 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new report from the federal government.Note: This article has been updated following an error by the German federal government. Following publication, the...
FunkMiller
Banned
I'm just sipping my morning coffee, brain still cloudy after probably one too many drinks last night, and was going to reply to them but I thought to myself "this is just so stupid. It's like explaining basic arithmetic to an elementary school child".
I did click the link though and that site, LOL. Why do all of these grift lord sites all scream "WE ARE CORNY AS HELL AND HERE TO GRIFT YOUR DUMBASS LOL - NOW PAY US BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU WILL YOU CREDULOUS NITWIT - I MEAN PATRIOT"
(Banner from that "news" site)
The fact that folks unironically post stuff from sites like that as genuine attempts at gotchas is quite incredible. The mere idea that someone can actually think a site like that offers proper, unbiased information about any subject at all is terrifying.
Shai-Tan
Banned
"but at the same time as one of his other guests who are the other side of the COVID debate so they can debate it out"
nothing much positive would come of that. If you read the comments on videos like that on Rebel Wisdom it's full of people who have no idea what they're watching. Like zero science or media literacy. To the credit of David Fuller he also had episodes extensively debunking Malone, Kory, Weinstein et al as well as put out a good long form piece of journalism poking holes in their nonsense but most of those people cheerleading fringe dummies don't want to hear it because science only extend as far as it fits their pre existing narratives
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
You just created a straw man of your own by conflating two different arguments within the same hypothetical "anti-vaxxer".
That was not the point I was making. I was referencing events like Trever Noah (not someone who I'd normally defend) getting pilloried by the mob over pointing out that the CEO of Moderna or whoever suggesting that multiple booster shots would be needed in future to be economically self-serving due to them having vested interests in the billion-dollar contracts such a happenstance would entail.
Noah's an useful idiot who's been shilling for power for the last few years, but even stepping one foot "outside the reservation" with a humorous observation drew the epithet. A hysterical overreaction that to me seems emblematic of a broader panic phenomenon where anything that contradicts "the message" is treated as dangerous, malicious misinformation.
Frankly, this thread and those who post in it are irrelevant to the BIG PICTURE issues I'm talking about. Noone here has any sort of provable expertise, accreditation or real swing in a socio-political sense, so the impact is miniscule. This is just a conversation, so even if this thread was full of Moldovian triple-agents suggesting we should stick drain-cleaner in our eyes to save ourselves from Covid it wouldn't mean a damn thing!
Narasumas
Member
I just have a hard time myself taking anyone seriously, from either side, who commonly use terms like āgaslightā or āstrawmanā. Maybe itās just me. Itās fucking annoying.
These words get thrown around so much, that I feel like the people who use them, ironically are trying to either use them as a āstrawmanā as they would say, or are actually just psychologically āgaslightingā themselves in the process and donāt know it lol.
Can we just stop using these buzzwords and talk like normal, pre-2016 era people?
These words get thrown around so much, that I feel like the people who use them, ironically are trying to either use them as a āstrawmanā as they would say, or are actually just psychologically āgaslightingā themselves in the process and donāt know it lol.
Can we just stop using these buzzwords and talk like normal, pre-2016 era people?
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funkygunther
Banned
words have meaning and I will continue to use both those as long as they have the meaning I want to projects, you want to project a pre-2016 world and not look beyond what you think are buzzwords but all youāre doing is trying to control peopleās language
Narasumas
Member
Lolā¦thatās your takeaway? Iām poking fun at where we are as a society. Dude, you sit at your keyboard on standby, ready to police anyone who has a different opinion than you. Kettle, meet pot. Your reply above is the pudding proof. Iām glad you found an identity you can latch onto to survive in this weird world, but try and give some others some space and allow them the same privilege please. Thanks.
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funkygunther
Banned
ah good I'm glad we could short-cut straight to your analysis of me
if your impression of me is that then that's fine, I'm not sure "I'll use whatever words I want thanks" is in any way an identity any more than a response to you saying "please don't use those words" (that's the control part, by the way)...those words that happen to be exactly the words I've used today, and I think gaslighting I haven't seen used for a long time since here, so you'll excuse me if I draw a line between the examples you've decided to use and those exact words I've used in my posts today
it could just be a coincidence I'm sure, but what isn't is your diatribe about how I "sit at [my] keyboard on standby", that's a nice window into your thoughts and I'm glad we've come further than "high and mighty funk posters" or whatever you called me last time
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