Highly doubt that will happen on a large scale. Without legal backing, they just open themselves up to lawsuits. The vast majority of companies have been operating under the assumption that this would happen. With it now settled, it's unlikely they'll risk it.
Its wouldn't have to be official. The unvaccinated would just be let go for other reasons. Just like businesses were doing before there was a mandate.
That wasn't even part of the mandate that SCOTUS just got shot down.
I never said it was?
Mental health mostly.
In the short term, perhaps thats a possibility, but I think you're underestimating the business communities desire to move on from all this. Poor performing employees will be let go the way they always have. The way things are looking, it's reaching the point where this is completely endemic and it will be no different than if you infected all of your coworkers with the common cold. They might miss a day or two of work, but they won't be getting tested. Infections appear to be much milder, and naturally testing will sharply decline as a result. If this is the case, it will be as close to pre covid as we could hope to get. To be clear, I'm not saying this is for sure what's going to happen, no one can predict that for sure, but it certainly seems that way.
That’s the type of COVID hysteria that I just don’t get. If you haven’t realized by now that zero COVID is an impossibility I don’t know what planet you’re living on. It will always be here and there will always be new emerging variants of varying severity, and let’s hope it stays on the milder trend. The argument of always wearing masks and seemingly endless booster shots/lockdowns may be scientifically sound to slow the spread and mitigate the rise of new variants…..but for a virus that appears to be here with us forever, at what point do we get off that train and learn to live with it. People cannot reasonably be expected to do this forever.
No I agree that will likely be the route most take eventually. I am talking about how they will treat people are choosing to be unvaccinated for no legitimate reason (obviously medical reasons etc are not included).
True, I can definately see certain companies, probably smaller scale ones without a legal or HR department to advise them, retaliate against unvaccinated employees. But without any legal standing, they do so at their own peril as that’s essentially discriminaction. They’ll have to do it the old fashioned way and fire them for unrelated reasons, which I’m sure was what you were insinuating.
. Still risky though.
Also, now that there is no mandate companies would be violating the law trying to ask people their medical history.True, I can definately see certain compansies, probably smaller scale ones without a legal or HR department to advise them, retaliate against unvaccinated employees. But without any legal standing, they do so at their own peril as that’s essentially discriminaction. They’ll have to do it the old fashioned way and fire them for unrelated reasons, which I’m sure was what you were insinuating.
Well, he's desperate. I don't think it' illegal to voice an opinion.
Yeah I hear ya, I meant from the companies standpoint, not saying that them suggesting it was illegal. But it does reek of desperation and I think it’s pretty unfair to try to pass the buck to companies who don’t have government lawyers at their disposal and would have to fend for themselves.
The law is so stupid the more I think of it.
It's not just about interacting with the public though. It's about interacting with each other as well. Getting coworkers sick or them getting you sick. That leads to decreased productivity at a time where we already have shortages everywhere. Having everyone you work with be vaccinated decreases the chance of that kind of outcome dramatically. And that is also not getting into the public perception towards companies that DON'T have some kind of vaccination policy.
You just noticed yet? Majority of covid policies and measures are exactly the opposite of what makes to prevent the spread and keep people save.
I think it is still unclear whether they can do that or not. It probably depends on specific state law, like maybe a company in CA could do it but not FL. Personally I think they will need some type of legal backing from a state level mandate or they are going to be open up to lawsuits. I'm not sure how demanding to know employee medical status is not a violation of HIPAA. But IANAL so who knows.
The Supreme Court struck down the vaccine mandate which would require companies to do so, but does not bar them from doing it themselves. My question has been, is there any legal ground for companies to actually impose that themself, or does that expose them to litigation? To my understand, all the current business mandates are about masks, not vaccines. Companies were preparing to implement vaccine mandates in response to the federal mandate, but with that struck down, I highly doubt they will move forward with it.
Australia opened up after vaccination rates were high, and to date have very few covid deaths compared to others
www.theatlantic.com
www.nationalgeographic.com
Interesting. Im definitely not counting on any super immunity. I'll continue to do the same precautions I've always done. Though Omicron is just too transmissable to stop apparently.
apnews.com
Expect more worrisome variants after omicron, scientists say
Scientists warn that omicron’s whirlwind spread across the globe practically ensures it won’t be the last worrisome coronavirus variant.
Pretty obvious.
Absolutely. And no mandates for them either.
It's not likely to kill you on an individual level, even more unlikely if you're "healthy". However, on a large population level, simple math tells you how devastating a small percentage can theoretically be on a large enough base population. Actual reality tells us that 800,000 and counting are already dead in the greatest country on Earth and there are still people who don't want to take this seriously. It has overcrowded our hospitals to the point where they don't function properly and people can't get the proper treatment for their other "normal" ailments. That is why you worry.
