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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I didn't read the article yet, but the phrase "some HS freshman arrived to school with the academic and social skills of sixth graders" has always applied to many schools.
What we have to consider in order to put this into context is to see what the baseline was before and determine how worse it has become, then see if it is a direct result of specific COVID policies, and then weigh that risk/benefit against the risk/benefit of implementing those COVID policies.
DaleinCalgary
Member
BC has come up with some new rules also.Looks like Ontario is giving up on lockdowns. Despite still very high covid counts, they are opening things up in stages the next few months with full access March 14.
Were still at 4000 daily covid cases. Which is still sky high. That count is even higher than in 2020 when we were hit with full lockdowns. Gov has finally realized covid isn't the type of thing to go down to zero, so you got to open things up instead of being bubbleboy forever.
Ontario announces three-step plan to gradually lift COVID-19 restrictions
Ontario announced it will allow indoor dining and gyms to reopen and will increase gathering limits on Jan. 31 as part of a three-step plan to ease COVID-19 restrictions in the province.toronto.ctvnews.ca
Maybe it's time to live with covid in our lives as it's been 2 years and we have got nowhere. Maybe this is natures way of telling people to live healthier lives, eat better, and stay away from fast food and exercise.
I'm tired of this shit.
Chaplain
Member
My wife is 3x vaxed and tested positive on Friday. Her symptoms include sinus, throat, and lungs abnormalities. She feels much better today as her symptoms have lessened.
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Chittagong
Gold Member
Unless you are clinically vulnerable and/or absolutely need to be with your parents, I suggest you ride this out with your gf. As you see from the charts and experiences here, Omicron is uncomfortable but hardly dangerous to vaccinates people with no co-morbidities.
The case is that you have already had substantial exposure so you would need to isolate anyway. At this point, best just get it done and relax until the next variant comes around.
When I tested positive my wife stuck around, slept one night in a different room, and caught covid. Now we are both done with it and can get on with our lives.
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dorkimoe
Member
My throat hurt but not that bad, I’ve had way worse. no lung issues here, mine are coated in thc lol
Chaplain
Member
Glad you are doing better. ^_^
You might find this helpful. Here is medical information that my wife was given when she was notified of her COVID diagnosis:
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I guess we're still sitting around waiting for the Great Reset.
BC navigated the pandemic well to this point. We haven't had the same degree of problems or to shut down like our neighbors. Vaccine rollout went fairly well with three quarters of the population getting vaccinated right away. None of the antivaxx hysteria manifested. There weren't the same harsh restrictions as out East. Even got to have a couple of elections where if people didn't like the restrictions they had a chance to vote for less restrictions, so these restrictions and pandemic response weren't dictated but democratically selected.
Following covid restrictions and being constantly self aware of one's behavior during waves for years is exhausting. Especially if fighting multiple fronts on an individual level.
Even with the easing of measures with this wave Health is saying that Omicron likely isn't the end at all. Smaller viral loads to get sick with Omicron can be fought off Covid by the vaccinated now. But speculation of another mutation which has that same quality and is harder to fight in the body could be very dangerous. And people are rightfully exhausted, it's hard to keep up. If there is another wave of something wicked coming it's the one that gonna hurt since the herd is tired.
prinz_valium
Member
Got my PCR test done just this morning.
When negativ, I stay away.
When positive, or a rapid test finally goes positive, I'll go back to her.
Right now at my parents i take precautions and social distancing a lot more serious compared to when I was at out apartment when she was still negative. But even then I didn't take anything lightly.
I also believe I already have it. So it's probably not the right call and I risk my parents. (they're 60+, but vaccinated) But there is a slim chance I don't have it and I don't want to risk me staying with here while being rapid test positive with a higher vital load in her upper respiratory trackt. I'm unvaccinated, but have no comorbities, overweight or smoke and I'm just in my early thirties.
But some scientists also say you're more infectious in the time before strong symptoms and positive rapid tests.
Nothing is definite. That's probably the reason why you can't control this at all in a reasonable way.
At least I definitely know soon.
But that are 1 1/2 weeks minimum from the first suspected covid contact to having a concrete answer about your status. Not good.
I mean right now i take more precautions than the poor nurse who needed to take 15 covid PCR tests this morning when I was there for half an hour. She just had gloves and a very well fitted n95 mask. Test was taken outside, tho. But no windshield. Someone infected person could cough her in the eyes.
I'm probably to scared because of all the news and information you're bombarded with. If I would infect my dad and he has a bad infection, i obviously will regret the shit out of it. It's impossible to do the right thing when your don't know your status for certain yet.
WHO Europe believes until March about 60% of the whole EU population could've caught Omicron. With vaccines and that infection rate it's really possible now to become endemic. Unless a new fucked up variant emerges.
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DaleinCalgary
Member
I'll agree if we get another bad strain its going to be close to the straw that broke the camels back but in general the vast majority of the population are doing the right things. I'm next door in Alberta and we were slower to get to BC numbers but we are at 90% now at least one shot and 86% two shots or more but people keep getting it but the serious cases are mostly the 10% unvaccinated.
The problem seems to be the northern population of the less educated and rural populations and both Alberta and BC have those people especially in your NE, the stupid ones.
My biggest fear is that this strain of omicron is going to reinforce those people who think this lesser dangerous version is the norm and it may not be. But to tell the truth I have lost all simpathy for those that aren't vaccinated and if they die or develop serious long term side effects I really don't care.
edit: Eat healthier, lose weight if you need to keep that blood pressure down no matter what age you are, exercise, quit smoking, and enjoy life. If you catch covid and are vaccinated it mostly wont do anything to you long term except an unlucky small few.
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Imp the Dimp
Member
What is there to discuss? No country has any hopes of controlling Omicron so all there is to do is wait for the population to become infected and pray that no worse variant pops up. Omicron seems to hospitalize people at lower rates compared to Delta (I've seen anything from a 50% to a 90% reduction) so obviously people are less afraid of it in spite of the high infection numbers.
Cyberpunkd
Member
First day where the PCR test will not give you access to a lot of things in France, you need to be vaccinated.
(yes, you need to be vaccinated to go there)
(yes, you need to be vaccinated to go there)
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covid, completed it mate.
sore throat for 2 nights, thats it.
easy way never to get covid, dont have kids, or send them to boarding school if you already do.
finally set free from my covid prison on saturday so immediately took advantage of my immunity and hit the town centre, licking all the shops door handles i could find.
sore throat for 2 nights, thats it.
easy way never to get covid, dont have kids, or send them to boarding school if you already do.
finally set free from my covid prison on saturday so immediately took advantage of my immunity and hit the town centre, licking all the shops door handles i could find.
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prinz_valium
Member
GFs positive PCR result came this morning.
Was taken Friday morning.
Considering the weekend, i hope my PCR will be done by tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest.
More than a million of vaccinated and boosted people are currently getting breakthrough infections with Omikron each day worldwide.
Was taken Friday morning.
Considering the weekend, i hope my PCR will be done by tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest.
That's so stupid.First day where the PCR test will not give you access to a lot of things in France, you need to be vaccinated.
(yes, you need to be vaccinated to go there)
More than a million of vaccinated and boosted people are currently getting breakthrough infections with Omikron each day worldwide.
Cyberpunkd
Member
It's not stupid. Vaccine doesn't prevent the transmission but it greatly prevents hospital admissions. It doesn't actually matter if everyone is infected as long as nobody will get to hospital.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Just wait, it will be here any day now. They have the sheeple where they want them, now it's time to put their plan in to action. What was the plan again?
prinz_valium
Member
So go and get infected at the eifel tower as long as your vaccinated and then infect your unvaccinated relatives at home? But let's make sure they can't infect themselves at the eifel tower
If that would be the goal (the new moved goal) it's finally time to protect vulnerable people. Restrictions and protection for old people and those with comorbities along with unvaccinated middle aged people.
Unvaccinated young people are so much less at risk than vaccinated old people.
It's stupid.
Germany is now also implementing the next stupid policy.
No more PCR tests if you had contact with an infected person. That's the only way to catch an infection early. Rapid anti gen only turn positive a few days later.
But I'm probably stuck in 2021 where I thought not infecting others was the goal to fight this pandemic.
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arkhamguy123
Banned
Vaccines do prevent transmission. Unfortunately just to a much lesser degree every passing month with new variants and waning immunity. And they apparently weren't even awesome at that to begin with.
And that was the goal but here's the elephant in the room. COVID won. So now we have to pivot. Sorry if that's disheartening but if it makes you feel better the vast majority of the world has moved on and nowadays covid discourse is more vivid on reddit or NeoGAF message boards than amongst actual people to people societal discourse. Or through interpersonal conversations. We tried I guess for a few months domestically and globally we tried our best for a year and a half to zero avail. As evidenced by current case counts in a post vaccine society. Supposedly our greatest weapon against covid.
It's like this, we all thought last spring that the vaccines would save us. Turns out they kinda suck at blocking COVID. Or even just blocking symptomatic covid. The narrative quickly shifted to "well uhhh, it won't be AS bad if you catch it, victory right?" Despite many vaccinated people getting very sick. On top of all of this you can still spread it. Now don't get me wrong all of these are at a LOWER rate than the unvaccinated but yeah its still not great.
So it went like "Well now I got my shot I can't get infected! Oh what's that? I still can? Oh... bummer. Well at least I'll be asymptomatic. Wait what? I'll still likely get pretty noticeably sick? Huh... well at least I won't be spreading it to grandma or my friends or anyone in public. Wait wait wait I can spread it to many people all the same? The fuck." Left a lot of people feeling disillusioned with the vaccines which further drove away the dumbass anti vaxxers that were anti vaxxers before we knew all of that post delta and omicron.
So now nobody really cares in the real world as everyone just about has been infected multiple times over and/or gotten vaccinated and boosted. The severity of the illness is basically nothing to most people and now the dominant variant is even more mild so the world has by and large mostly moved on. Because we have no choice. People realized covid was never going to be beaten after the vaccines didn't do what people thought so they all said fuck it.
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You see the problem here is Covid moved on, the vaccines didn't. The vaccines are still targeting the original virus from 2 years ago, not Alpha, Delta, Beta, Omicron etc. This is why they don't work as well at preventing infection or preventing you passing it on (sterilising immunity). They do still work (as proven by hospital numbers, that should be a LOT higher given recent infections levels ) at preventing severe illness and death.
New vaccines are in development that will target the newest variants and multiple variants in one shot and offer sterilising immunity.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I do not expect any new vaccines to be more than an incremental improvement. Our immune system is a weird fucking beast and it just doesn't take to fighting some infections like it does to others. Some diseases you get and you have immunity for decades, some it wanes in a couple of months. We don't really have a good handle on the 'why'.
With the newest variant seemingly having a tendency to cause infections more in the upper respiratory tract than the lungs it is likely that the immune response will be less robust no matter the vaccine.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The propensity for a virus to change its RNA and its presenting antigens around is a big factor.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Or it could be there just isnt anything to discuss anymore. The facts are the facts.
"Narrative" lol
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Or it could be there just isnt anything to discuss anymore. The facts are the facts.
"Narrative" lol
Well, lets be honest there has been very much an orthodox set of "truths" pushed in the media since the beginning of the pandemic. These can be fairly called a narrative - because that's what the media does. And the truth of the matter is that Omicron is a game changer in terms of how we need to think about policy and health-care.
The Triggernometry video I linked earlier does a really good job of identifying the flaws of both the orthodox and heterodox camps, and how both sides really should re-evaluate their positions in light of current events and scientific understanding of those events.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
What is this narrative specifically, and how is it collapsing?
xellos2099alpha
Member
It is mainly western country who try to believe covidf is over; it is not. In Hong kong they are limiting school to half day to prevent spread and even japan is locking down soem county.
Chittagong
Gold Member
That’s the mistake. With omicron there is very little chance of “limiting the spread”. Observe England vs Wales/Scotland. The latter locked down hard and did much worse with omicron.
So from that point it’s “over”, there is little chance of going back to closures as they don’t help with omicron. Of course the virus is not over, never will be - but it’s not a big deal anymore.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I would like to know that as well.
That is a very strange way of saying that the media is reporting the facts as they know them at the time, but I will try not to judge.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
It seems to me the mainstream media hasn't done a good job of giving balanced exposure to a plurality of scientific opinion.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Because there isn't one. There are the facts that are known and accepted the by vast majority of the scientific community the world over and then there are the people who are mad that the facts do not line up with what they wanna hear and the grifters that try to tell those idiots what they wanna hear in order to personally profit from it.
One of those groups deserves to be reported on and the other one does not. You do not need to give coverage to people just because they have an opinion. Especially when it goes against reality.
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xellos2099alpha
Member
The only reason lockdown does not work is people do not follow it. Like for example they ban restaurant from having dine in, it DOESN'T sto peopel from getting takeout and having a party in a house.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Omicron is not going away, probably ever, and only the hardest lockdowns (people staying at home, not going to shop to get groceries) can limit it, because it is so infectious. It’s the most infectious pathogen on the planet I caught it in a shop, masked.
Keeping people locked at home for the rest of humankind’s existence is hardly a realistic possibility.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
An extremely sad precautionary tale involving long COVID
www.businessinsider.com
I've suffered from 'long COVID' for 2 years. I lost my job, can't pay my bills, and am in pain every day.
"I've had a headache every single day since March 15. I relive the worst aspects of my life even in my sleep, which is part of why I don't sleep."
www.businessinsider.com
Kenpachii
Member
An extremely sad precautionary tale involving long COVID
I've suffered from 'long COVID' for 2 years. I lost my job, can't pay my bills, and am in pain every day.
"I've had a headache every single day since March 15. I relive the worst aspects of my life even in my sleep, which is part of why I don't sleep."
Yea i think she's full of shit. The same goes for her entire list of 300 problems she has. Now obviously it could be true, but sounds more like she's just zoning out for the sake of it and trying to validate her drug abuse.
The only thing i heard was people having lung damage and all the problems that come with that. How that will go forwards who knows. She is going way overboard with this shit
Honestly woman grow some balls, really what a joke.
Then her doctor conclusion ( shocking )
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Kenpachii
long haul COVID is a well documented phenomenon and a lot of people suffer from it. The only thing you've heard about is lung damage and all the problems associated with that, but the world is a lot bigger than what you just heard about. There's lots of cases of long term damage that COVID19 causes to your lungs, heart, brain, and sex organs, among other things.
Kenpachii
Member
Guess her doctor is also a psychopath and with that the whole medical industry is also ignored by you probably? as he straight up calls her nuts? and after what she posts u honestly start to wonder if she actually is.
There's lots of cases of long term damage that COVID19 causes to your lungs, heart, brain, and sex organs, among other things.
I read enough stuff about it mate, and i know it can have more effects its the whole reason i vaccinated to start with to not get permanent lung damage. Now nothing is impossible as i stated in my reaction. The reality however is, she states so much shit together that it's practically impossible to believe and when the cat comes out of the bag and even her doctor calls her nuts i kinda agree with it on that front or atleast find it high unlikely. And find it even offensive to the point as it can actually damage attention towards actual victims of problems from this. That's why i reacted to start with as it semi triggered me.
Now i can be wrong and she could be completely right, but again i find it hard to believe and professionals seem to agree with me.
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Kenpachii
Member
1.) Even if the doctor's "diagnosis" is correct, psychosomatic symptoms are still real 2.) Since the cause of long COVID is unknown, there is no diagnostic test for it. See here for example:
Could microclots help explain the mystery of long Covid? | Resia Pretorius
My lab has found significant microclot formation in long Covid patients. Unfortunately, these are missed in routine blood tests
www.theguardian.com
betrayal
Banned
Oh look, it is still about tragic individual fates, posted by the same people as always, while more and more countries are returning to normality.
It will be interesting to see what percentage of mentally ill patients will have to be treated because they no longer find any meaning in their lives after COVID ended. Maybe it will help those affected to pray every day: "Thank you vaccination and Omicron that this pandemic has now ended. God, send me strength to find a new meaning in life that does not consist of fear mongering and not understanding basic context.".
It will be interesting to see what percentage of mentally ill patients will have to be treated because they no longer find any meaning in their lives after COVID ended. Maybe it will help those affected to pray every day: "Thank you vaccination and Omicron that this pandemic has now ended. God, send me strength to find a new meaning in life that does not consist of fear mongering and not understanding basic context.".
prinz_valium
Member
That shit is killing me as a hypochondriac1.) Even if the doctor's "diagnosis" is correct, psychosomatic symptoms are still real 2.) Since the cause of long COVID is unknown, there is no diagnostic test for it. See here for example:
Could microclots help explain the mystery of long Covid? | Resia Pretorius
My lab has found significant microclot formation in long Covid patients. Unfortunately, these are missed in routine blood tests
Kenpachii
Member
1.) Even if the doctor's "diagnosis" is correct, psychosomatic symptoms are still real 2.) Since the cause of long COVID is unknown, there is no diagnostic test for it. See here for example:
Could microclots help explain the mystery of long Covid? | Resia Pretorius
My lab has found significant microclot formation in long Covid patients. Unfortunately, these are missed in routine blood tests
Again, I know it exists and i know people suffer from it. I don't believe her story because of how she brings it and on what she reveals while talking about herself and the life experience i know people that do whatever the fuck they can to not have to work or keep there addictions going.
She fits it, and it gets more confirmed by the fact that the doctor also agree's with this.
Now i could be wrong as i stated, because i honestly don't know her or her doctor or whatever else in her life. But from that article she's a weak source that they put there hopes on. They where better of using another person that doesn't relay drugs like marijuana.
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Ignoring the fact that human beings understand tragedy precisely through individual fates, long COVID is a societal problem that will need to be addressed as part of the process of returning to normality.
prinz_valium
Member
That's all correct.
Especially with Omicron, the current vaccines do Jack shit at preventing selfinfection and spreading from those infected. I've experienced it first hand. But that's the reason those "vaccinated only" and "vaccine mandate" measure are so ridiculous useless and idiotic now.
And some people predicted this as a real possible scenario at the start of the pandemic, yet they were only laughed at.
Some normale people might have moved on, but those in power haven't at all. They still bring the same arguments from half a year ago.
It's disheartening.
I would pay top dollar for a vaccine that's great against covid. I just don't want to take a vaccine every few months that doesn't help in a meaningful way.
Just reducing my risk of serve covid, while having mild covid is a high chance anyways on top of getting serve covid while being vaccinated still being possible nevertheless is not a great sales pitch.
Get people at high risk vaccinated.
Stop using the current vaccines, so big pharma has an incentive to research new vaccines and change their production lines.
If a new serve mutation emerges, that might be the wrong call, but so far we did only wrong calls anyways. It's hard
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Nope. Science does not and has never spoken with a single voice. By prioritizing the official line and treating any opinion not part of that orthodoxy as dangerous or crankish they've lost the trust of a huge part of the audience. Honest, robust, open discussion over policy and science could have prevented this.
This is a problem that's not going to go away quickly.
There's always been plenty of room between the government/official position and the extreme fringes. That you are arguing that only one group of opinion deserves to be reported on seems to indicate a simplistic binary view more akin to party politics than science.
This is hugely problematic because throughout the pandemic our understanding has evolved. There's been a lot of speculation and prediction, and by treating the orthodox version as holy writ, the heterodox as heresy and witchcraft... what do you think happens when these predictions prove incorrect? As they have done repeatedly over the last couple of years.