Crap, my CRT just died...time for an upgrade! Help!

cryptic said:
You can upgrade from a Sony CRT?
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Yeah, thats what I was wondering. I have a 34 inch Sony HDTV in my room which is a CRT and really, it still beats any plasma or LCD hands down in smoothness, clarity, definition and sharpness.

AND THERE IS NO SCREEN-DOOR EFFECT!
 
I love my Sony 34" XS955, but even after calibration (after a few years), I still get purple blobs and have some geometry issue. No technology is perfect. That PDP-5020FD looks interesting, the only bad thing the CNET review say is inaccurate primary colors. Can that be calibrated out?
 
What's a good plasma for DVD watching on a PS2, Wii gaming in glorious 480P and 360 gaming? Primarily, I would focus on Wii gaming. I'm willing to spend up to $2000. Also, I love HD sports on TV, so that would be important.
 
WickedCobra03 said:
Yeah, thats what I was wondering. I have a 34 inch Sony HDTV in my room which is a CRT and really, it still beats any plasma or LCD hands down in smoothness, clarity, definition and sharpness.
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I have one as well, and I agree with this. The set's just killer, and I will definitely be sad the day it passes on.
 
AzureNightmareXE said:
How am I kidding myself? Of the same size plasmas I have in my house, I actually prefer the Panasonic Viera in my bedroom over the Pioneer Elite in my living room. I'm sorry if you got all butthurt over me downplaying your favored company, but its the truth that the two brands of plasma TVs are very comparable in quality. It just depends on whether or not you want to bend over for Pioneer.
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I feel the exact same way. To the point where I just use the kuro for films and shows while the Panny is for gaming.

People keep mentioning all these problems that do exist to a certain extent but it means absolutely nothing to the average person. All the people I know are pretty satisfied with any brand name model that came out within the last year. You mention specs and it goes over their head.
 
Kadey said:
I feel the exact same way. To the point where I just use the kuro for films and shows while the Panny is for gaming.

People keep mentioning all these problems that do exist to a certain extent but it means absolutely nothing to the average person. All the people I know are pretty satisfied with any brand name model that came out within the last year. You mention specs and it goes over their head.
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Interest in Panny rising....
 
How am I kidding myself? Of the same size plasmas I have in my house, I actually prefer the Panasonic Viera in my bedroom over the Pioneer Elite in my living room.
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That's fine, but there ARE issues present in the Viera line (all of them) that don't exist on the Pioneer sets. The Panasonic is a great value considering its price, but I wouldn't want to use one instead of the Pioneer due to its problems.
 
skinnyrattler said:
What's a good plasma for DVD watching on a PS2, Wii gaming in glorious 480P and 360 gaming? Primarily, I would focus on Wii gaming. I'm willing to spend up to $2000. Also, I love HD sports on TV, so that would be important.
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Pioneer have the best scalers in the industry, but you can't go wrong with the Panasonic, and I believe you can get the 800U for around 2000$. Go with that.

I was looking at one of the older generation 720p models, and I swear to the gods, FzeroGX looked like it was running native res, the scalers were that nice.
 
dark10x said:
That's fine, but there ARE issues present in the Viera line (all of them) that don't exist on the Pioneer sets. The Panasonic is a great value considering its price, but I wouldn't want to use one instead of the Pioneer due to its problems.
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BrandoF listen to this man, he speaks many truths; scrimp and save and you may just regret it later.
 
So I just bought this...

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Pioneer Kuro 5020FD.

Hope it don't suck!
 
now it's time to pray that you are one of those that can ignore the phosphor lag otherwise i expect your suicide thread considering the hit that tv makes on the bank account.
 
big_z said:
probably pretty awesome until you turn.
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lol your a fucking idiot.


grats on the purchase brandon, AWESOME television, as anyone with ANY knowledge will tell you, kuro=FTW
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Pioneer have the best scalers in the industry, but you can't go wrong with the Panasonic, and I believe you can get the 800U for around 2000$. Go with that.

I was looking at one of the older generation 720p models, and I swear to the gods, FzeroGX looked like it was running native res, the scalers were that nice.
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mario kart wii, wow just wow. this shit is 480p and it looked like it was in FULLHD, jaggy, yes (not even the kuro can add magical aa) but the IQ was gorgeous.
 
I did mean to ask about Wii and PS2 fidelity on the Pioneer. In the meanwhile I have my consoles hooked up to my Dell LCD monitor which is 16:10 standard and 1900x1200...to say the least, anything not hi-def(360/PS3) looks like garbage on it. (Granted this version of monitor has known issues with Component hookups, but Wii really looks -terrible-).
 
rod said:
lol your a fucking idiot.


grats on the purchase brandon, AWESOME television, as anyone with ANY knowledge will tell you, kuro=FTW
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oh yes i remember now pioneer costs so much so it must be flawless... :|

Brandon F said:
I did mean to ask about Wii and PS2 fidelity on the Pioneer. In the meanwhile I have my consoles hooked up to my Dell LCD monitor which is 16:10 standard and 1900x1200...to say the least, anything not hi-def(360/PS3) looks like garbage on it. (Granted this version of monitor has known issues with Component hookups, but Wii really looks -terrible-).
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depends on the game but if you sit a decent ways away it should look better than your dell monitor. if you sit within 6 feet then ya wii/ps2 looks pretty crap. basically everything looks a bit soft and jagged.
 
WickedCobra03 said:
Yeah, thats what I was wondering. I have a 34 inch Sony HDTV in my room which is a CRT and really, it still beats any plasma or LCD hands down in smoothness, clarity, definition and sharpness.

AND THERE IS NO SCREEN-DOOR EFFECT!
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Damn, is LCD technology really that bad? I'm like dying to get rid of my CRT HDTV for an LCD. I'm gaming/watching satellite on a Toshiba 30" widescreen set, model # 30HF83. The tv's just fine, I just wanted to jump on a newer set. I've always wanted a Sony set. Since I have a Sony home theater system (receiver and five speaker set) and the PS3 I'd like to round everything out with a Sony set. Granted, this won't be for a while yet as I'm currently out of work :D But these stories of LCD got me terrified! Maybe I should just hold on to my set...
 
big_z said:
oh yes i remember now pioneer costs so much so it must be flawless... :|
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who said flawless? i dont recall anyone on any AV forum saying they have issues like you said, with the KURO range. sorry. this has nothing to do with money.
 
fps fanatic said:
Damn, is LCD technology really that bad? I'm like dying to get rid of my CRT HDTV for an LCD. I'm gaming/watching satellite on a Toshiba 30" widescreen set, model # 30HF83. The tv's just fine, I just wanted to jump on a newer set. I've always wanted a Sony set. Since I have a Sony home theater system (receiver and five speaker set) and the PS3 I'd like to round everything out with a Sony set. Granted, this won't be for a while yet as I'm currently out of work :D But these stories of LCD got me terrified! Maybe I should just hold on to my set...
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And you would do well to do so, unless you want to jump on the kuro bandwagon. The thing with LCD is that while they have longer lifespans, plasma's richer blacks make for a better experience. No matter how good native contrast ratios get on LCDs, nothing will beat a good CRT.
 
I got a Samsung 4681F for ~1300 which has local dimming led's and I think for the money it's a pretty damn amazing tv. I would have no problem recommending this tv to anyone including people that are picky about black level. The only problem is off-axis viewing, which for my situation isnt an issue.
 
I will say that the Samsung's I viewed at the store today all looked stunning. Even the LCD ones, noticeably better sitting right next to the Bravia's also on display in similar price ranges.

I almost considered getting one of them instead.
 
Brandon F said:
I will say that the Samsung's I viewed at the store today all looked stunning. Even the LCD ones, noticeably better sitting right next to the Bravia's also on display in similar price ranges.

I almost considered getting one of them instead.
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yep imo samsungs>>>sonys, but kuro>>>both. are you going to get it calibrated?
 
Darkpen said:
And you would do well to do so, unless you want to jump on the kuro bandwagon. The thing with LCD is that while they have longer lifespans, plasma's richer blacks make for a better experience. No matter how good native contrast ratios get on LCDs, nothing will beat a good CRT.
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Unfortunately, he has a Toshiba CRT. My brother in law uses one the cinema series Toshiba CRT "HD" TVs and it looks attrocious. As with any technology, there are a LOT of low quality models available.
 
Brandon F said:
36" Sony XBR800 purchased 2002 - RIP 2008.

So what should I look at for my 360/PS3 experiences. What's a solid LCD 1080p TV that is recommendable? I haven't paid much attention for awhile...

Actually what's the status of LCD?(ghosting, etc...) Should I be looking at other tech? Help me GAF! I want to continue playing Vesperia!!
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Have you tried getting it repaired?
 
Been doing a bit of research and it seems there is a lot to plasma's I am not familiar with. For instance, it's recommended to spend 150+ hours getting the TV acclimated with some break-in DVD thing?

I could use a plasma primer before I get the TV next weekend, like settings to use(PS3 especially has lots of HDMi options I don't understand) as well as general settings to configure on the set itself for gaming, movies, and TV watching...

Any assistance is appreciated!
 
Brandon F said:
Been doing a bit of research and it seems there is a lot to plasma's I am not familiar with. For instance, it's recommended to spend 150+ hours getting the TV acclimated with some break-in DVD thing?

I could use a plasma primer before I get the TV next weekend, like settings to use(PS3 especially has lots of HDMi options I don't understand) as well as general settings to configure on the set itself for gaming, movies, and TV watching...

Any assistance is appreciated!
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its reccomended to use the break in dvd, but i, along with a lot of people i know who have the kuro series tvs, didnt use it. i just went straight in. have no image retention whatsoever. theres a lot of things that are "reccomended" but really i think weve hit the point where high end plasmas will not suffer from IR.
 
This thread makes me feel grateful my Sony HD CRT is still around and looking pretty. I too have yet to see more impressive PQ at a friend's place on their LCDs or Plasmas, and they affectionately poke fun at my 'antiquated' CRT all the time (and then proceed to offer compliments whenever I host them for a movie, lol). Black is black, it's beautiful. But like someone else said, no tech's perfect; this beauty's geometry has always been a little off. When a grid appears in a game for example, it's clear to see that not all the lines are perfectly straight, and it's a little annoying.

I don't know what I'm going to do when I move out -- this thing is just too huge and heavy to move again. I'll have to face the same problem as Brandon; deal with LCD or Plasma.
 
Brandon F said:
I will say that the Samsung's I viewed at the store today all looked stunning. Even the LCD ones, noticeably better sitting right next to the Bravia's also on display in similar price ranges.

I almost considered getting one of them instead.
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I think Samsung Series 9 is out in the stores but competing tech from Sony (XBR8) is not yet. You were probably looking at their last years models, which are still expensive. Same gen TVs from Sony are always more expensive than anything else, and by quite a bit. XBR8 will have tri-color LED illumination on top of local dimming, it should really be the best TV there is, unless of course compared with OLED.

In any case, store displays are the most terrible place to do any TV comparisons. They have those huge hangar lights that put out insane amounts of light, and LCD TV thrive in those conditions compared to Plasmas. In store displays Plasmas often look muted and poor compared to LCDs, but when you have them in home, in a regular light conditions, LCDs lose handily due to their glowing dark colors (that is until these new ones with local dimming)

Bottom line, you're going to love that Plasma even though it may not have looked so hot in the store.


For PS3 make sure that the TV supports full RGB range and super-white mode (I'm pretty sure it does for full RGB range at least) and use those settings on both the TV and PS3. Other than that, everything should be setup automatically.
 
Brandon F said:
Been doing a bit of research and it seems there is a lot to plasma's I am not familiar with. For instance, it's recommended to spend 150+ hours getting the TV acclimated with some break-in DVD thing?

I could use a plasma primer before I get the TV next weekend, like settings to use(PS3 especially has lots of HDMi options I don't understand) as well as general settings to configure on the set itself for gaming, movies, and TV watching...

Any assistance is appreciated!
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No need for any of that, just enjoy the set; with sensible use, burn-in is no longer an issue.
However, do go on the av forums and find a nice D65 setting for your tv and use that instead of the factory presets. You might find it a bit too yellow initially and not as saturated, but it gives everything a very natural look.
 
fps fanatic said:
Damn, is LCD technology really that bad? I'm like dying to get rid of my CRT HDTV for an LCD. I'm gaming/watching satellite on a Toshiba 30" widescreen set, model # 30HF83. The tv's just fine, I just wanted to jump on a newer set. I've always wanted a Sony set. Since I have a Sony home theater system (receiver and five speaker set) and the PS3 I'd like to round everything out with a Sony set. Granted, this won't be for a while yet as I'm currently out of work :D But these stories of LCD got me terrified! Maybe I should just hold on to my set...
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At home, I game on a 72' 1080p Toshiba LCD DLP.

And I love it. I don't notice any of the things these people are talking about. So just the sheer fact that games look extraordinary on it, and the only noticeable flaw is like a rainbow effect when the whole screen turns white, to me, it looks flawless.
 
DrPirate said:
At home, I game on a 72' 1080p Toshiba LCD DLP.

And I love it. I don't notice any of the things these people are talking about. So just the sheer fact that games look extraordinary on it, and the only noticeable flaw is like a rainbow effect when the whole screen turns white, to me, it looks flawless.
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Same thing here...unless you buy a cheap ass LCD,like a Wal-Mart brand or Insigna,LCD's are great...yeah it doesn't quite have the "blacks" of a good CRT yet but it's getting pretty damn close and the improvement on every other color make up for it a lot...I play on a 3 year old 50 "Sony LCD and the only thing i needed to get use to,depending on what's on screen,is the screen door effect,besides that everything(in HD of course,SD television for instance looks pretty bad)is perfect for gaming.
 
in my opinion, lcd dlp is the worst tech for tvs these days. i used to own one, and i thought it looked ok until i saw the other techs (was never much for tv tech, it was just a big tv for a small price). its only when youve seen better that you realise how good other tv techs can be (or how bad)
 
Just wanted to chime in that the 5020 Kuro is a BEAST. Black levels are insane and often appear indistinguishable from the bezel of the TV. It also makes playing dark games tougher than I want. Detail is swallowed in black and I find calibrated settings too dark and opt for the uncalibrated brighter options just to see what the hell is on screen. I was squinting to see anything running about the overworld at nighttime in Vesperia for example. Tombs of Uncharted were pitch black outside the flashlight zone. The calibrated setting is brilliant for movies/TV though!

Only other issue is the phosphor lag brought up earlier in this thread. Playing fast-pitched games like CoD4, Burnout P., and well anything that has you panning the camera produces that rainbow-esque green trail effect. Very noticeable and really unfortunate. I assume nothing can be done about it? These games look so absolutely stunning aside from that effect...but it is really bothersome.
 
Tombs of Uncharted were pitch black outside the flashlight zone. The calibrated setting is brilliant for movies/TV though!
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If you're seeing all black, it's not calibrated properly. Things should appear dark, yet shadow detail should still remain.

As for the phosphor trailing, well, I hope you get used to it. It bothered me somewhat at first, but I've become accustomed to it. I can't stand LCD smearing, however, as it impacts the entire image. Different people have different tastes. All non-CRT technologies have their issues with motion handling.
 
dark10x said:
If you're seeing all black, it's not calibrated properly. Things should appear dark, yet shadow detail should still remain.

As for the phosphor trailing, well, I hope you get used to it. It bothered me somewhat at first, but I've become accustomed to it. I can't stand LCD smearing, however, as it impacts the entire image. Different people have different tastes. All non-CRT technologies have their issues with motion handling.
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Yea, I used settings posted on avsforum for all inputs. I'll just futz around with them in those dark spots of Uncharted until I find a happy medium. Really though, outside of the void of blackness(fixable) and the phosphor trails(fps focused), the TV is brilliant.

I don't understand why Pioneer opted to remove many standard video calibration functions though in the 9G series though. It's a major complaint across all reviews and forums.

Also, what PS3/360 games support 1080p natively so far? Is there a handy list online somewhere? Seems like all of my PS3 titles are 720p. RR7, being the exception, looks so astounding in 1080p that I want to see more!
 
Did you set your PS3 to RGB full range?
Also make sure your Kuro's HDMI setting is set to color space 4. (I hope yours is similar to my version)

Edit: Same thing with your Xbox 360, set it to expanded. Contrast issues should disappear.
 
I've got the Sony 34" XBR960 CRT and while it still works fine and looks gorgeous, I would like to get something in the 50-52" range. My other problem with the Sony is a geometry issue in the upper left portion of the screen (that really is a pretty minor detail and I'm probably the only person who has ever noticed it on my set) and the fact that there's some fairly substantial overscan. I've been debating on either a 50" Panasonic plasma or a 52" Samsung LCD.

Decisions, decisions...
 
memecomplex said:
Did you set your PS3 to RGB full range?
Also make sure your Kuro's HDMI setting is set to color space 4. (I hope yours is similar to my version)

Edit: Same thing with your Xbox 360, set it to expanded. Contrast issues should disappear.
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I'll make sure to try those!
 
Brandon F said:
Also, what PS3/360 games support 1080p natively so far? Is there a handy list online somewhere? Seems like all of my PS3 titles are 720p. RR7, being the exception, looks so astounding in 1080p that I want to see more!
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Gran Turismo Prologue and some of the PSN games do.
 
I love my 42 inch TH-42PZ77U Panasonic Plasma. Full 1080p, got it for a steal last year around Christmas.

I too was upgrading from CRT, I had one of Samsung's first generation CRT HD TV's ... Very glad I went plasma, blu-ray's and games look gorgeous on this set.
 
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