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jarrod · Jan 29, 2005

Musashi Wins! said:
I can't believe you keep using Sonic as an example. I'm happy with the GC lineup, but as much as I respect your vast historical and developer knowledge, your as reliable as Broshnat when discussing the outlook of MS/Nintendo.

Fuck these release war lists, everyone knows one thing...that the rest of the year won't pan out directly as it's painted by rabid company partisans here. Last year didn't.

Well, Sonic still a pretty high profile exclusive, every 3D Sopnic sold in excess of 1 million this gen (though admittedly across multiple platforms). But I'm talking direct sales so much as industry/media hype. GameCube has 3 exclusives that can really garner that sort of attention, PS2 still has a ton coming (FFXII, DQVIII, KH2, DMC3, Tekken 5, etc) while Xbox doesn't really have anything comparable. Xbox does have a solid lineup that caters to it's base, at least for the 1st half but after that there's this huge dropoff. I suspect the 2nd half for Xbox is going to be almost entirely PS2/PC ports, a good chunk of which will hit GameCube too (anything from EA, Activision, UbiSoft & THQ basically). And in 2006 support will drop entirely besides EA probably (as will GameCube but with Nintendo games as well).

KeithFranklin said:
How can someone use Mario/Sonic/Zelda to describe unique high profile experiences is beyond me. Yeah these games have never be done before and each and everyone is different.

They're new high profile exclusives, something every platform but Xbox seems to be getting next year. You can probably blame Microsoft for that. Fanboi.

Shinobi · Jan 29, 2005

Fuzzy said:
I just did a quick search and found the following but I don't know how reliable the numbers are.

Quote:
It may surprise you, however, to learn that the Sega Master System is Sega's second-best selling videogame console to date. Taking into account the three iterations of the console, along with Sega's own figures and those of its licensees, it seems that over 13 million SMS units were sold worldwide between 1986 and 1998 - and that doesn't include the clones and knock-offs.

Source: http://www.eidolons-inn.net/segabase/SegaBase-MasterSystem.html

Well it was very popular in Brazil...wouldn't surprise me if that's where it got a large chunk of it's numbers. So fear the Master System muthafuckas.

KeithFranklin said:
The more things change the more they stay the same. Every year the Nintendo fans list off the niche Nintendo produced titles (Exception of RE4 in this list) about how they will sell, sell, sell and the same thing happens they sell meh. Then they respond to every XBOX list that overrated, overhyped, wont sell, etc. Call all the XBOX totles garbage then every GCN title that gets mediocre at best scores they still act like are good games.

:lol I was thinking the same thing. And where this Sonic weapon for Gamecube is coming from is beyond me. Reminds me of the Sonic bullet that Cube was supposed to have for themselves in 2003/04. :lol But hell, maybe I've just missed the announcement. Doesn't preclude Sonic from showing up elsewhere though.

I'd say the reality is that people who just snapped up a bunch of XBox's this past Christmas, aren't gonna not buy games for the next nine months simply because XBox 2 is on the way. For that reason alone, I wouldn't expect to see a huge dip in software sales. As for Gamecube, that hasn't exactly been a great market for selling software...not sure why it would vastly improve this year. Nintendo's working on four consoles now, and as Sega could tell you that's not easy.

KeithFranklin · Jan 29, 2005

jarrod,

Guess you didnt notice that I highlighted the word unique

open_mouth_ · Jan 29, 2005

2005 Xbox Games that will either sell pretty well or receive critical acclaim:

-Oddworld Stranger
-NFL Street 2
-Winning Eleven 8
-NBA Street Vol 3
-Street Fighter AC Live
-Project Snowblind
-Fight Night Round 2
-Star Wars: Republic Commando
-Brothers in Arms
-ESPN MLB 2K5
-MVP Baseball 2005
-Phantom Dust
-Doom 3
-Timesplitters FP
-Cold Fear
-Wrestlemania XXI
-Super Monkey Ball DX
-Rainbow Six: Lockdown
-Iron Phoenix
-Splinter Cell 3
-Advent Rising
-Dead to Rights 2
-Unreal Championship 2
-Midnight Club 3
-Jade Empire
-Psychonauts
-Area 51
-Lego Star Wars
-Sid Meier's Pirate's
-Darkwatch
-Forza Motorsport
-Pariah
-Star Wars Ep 3
-Conker Live & Reloaded
-GTA San Andreas
-Flatout
-NCAA Football 2006
-Starcraft Ghost
-Madden 2006
-Farcry Instincts
-Scarface
-Battlefield Modern Combat

There's a few million sellers in there and we still don't know all the 2nd half Xbox games so that's by no means a complete list. It can be argued that '05 will be the year of the Xbox yet again.

Broshnat · Jan 29, 2005

open_mouth_ said:
2005 Xbox Games that will either sell pretty well or receive critical acclaim:

-Oddworld Stranger
-NFL Street 2
-Winning Eleven 8
-NBA Street Vol 3
-Street Fighter AC Live
-Project Snowblind
-Fight Night Round 2
-Star Wars: Republic Commando
-Brothers in Arms
-ESPN MLB 2K5
-MVP Baseball 2005
-Phantom Dust
-Doom 3
-Timesplitters FP
-Cold Fear
-Wrestlemania XXI
-Super Monkey Ball DX
-Rainbow Six: Lockdown
-Iron Phoenix
-Splinter Cell 3
-Advent Rising
-Dead to Rights 2
-Unreal Championship 2
-Midnight Club 3
-Jade Empire
-Psychonauts
-Area 51
-Lego Star Wars
-Sid Meier's Pirate's
-Darkwatch
-Forza Motorsport
-Pariah
-Star Wars Ep 3
-Conker Live & Reloaded
-GTA San Andreas
-Flatout
-NCAA Football 2006
-Starcraft Ghost
-Madden 2006
-Farcry Instincts
-Scarface
-Battlefield Modern Combat

There's a few million sellers in there and we still don't know all the 2nd half Xbox games so that's by no means a complete list. It can be argued that '05 will be the year of the Xbox yet again.

Let's get a grip here please.

Million sellers:
-GTA San Andreas

500k +
-Oddworld Stranger
-Star Wars: Republic Commando
-Splinter Cell 3
-Jade Empire
-Forza Motorsport
-Star Wars Ep 3
-Conker Live & Reloaded
-Madden 2006

250k+
-NFL Street 2
-NBA Street Vol 3
-Project Snowblind
-Fight Night Round 2
-Brothers in Arms
-ESPN MLB 2K5
-MVP Baseball 2005
-Phantom Dust
-Doom 3
-Rainbow Six: Lockdown
-Unreal Championship 2
-Midnight Club 3
-Psychonauts
-Sid Meier's Pirate's
-Conker Live & Reloaded
-NCAA Football 2006
-Starcraft Ghost
-Farcry Instincts

Less than 250k
-Winning Eleven 8
-Street Fighter AC Live
-Phantom Dust
-Cold Fear
-Wrestlemania XXI
-Super Monkey Ball DX
-Iron Phoenix
-Advent Rising
-Dead to Rights 2
-Psychonauts
-Area 51
-Lego Star Wars
-Darkwatch
-Pariah
-Flatout
-Scarface
-Battlefield Modern Combat

And those coming to Gamecube as well:

-NFL Street 2
-NBA Street Vol 3
-Fight Night Round 2 ?
-Timesplitters FP ?
-Wrestlemania XXI
-Splinter Cell 3
-NCAA Football 2006
-Madden 2006

sonycowboy · Jan 29, 2005

open_mouth_ said:
It can be argued that '05 will be the year of the Xbox yet again.

Again. It wasn't even the year of the Xbox for 2004. :lol

Halo 2 and uh, uh, uh...

open_mouth_ · Jan 29, 2005

sonycowboy said:
Again. It wasn't even the year of the Xbox for 2004. :lol

Halo 2 and uh, uh, uh...

says a sonycowboy. The Xbox was the most wanted console this past holiday season for a reason

*waits for sc to break out the "shortage" damage control*

Halo 2 and uh, uh, uh...

GTA SA and uh, uh, uh... And it's not even exclusive, meh.

Speevy · Jan 29, 2005

The Xbox had an incredible 2004, as did the Gamecube.

-Halo 2
-DOAU
-Rallisport Challenge 2
-Ninja Gaiden
-Riddick
-Otogi 2
-KOTOR 2

etc.

jarrod · Jan 30, 2005

KeithFranklin said:
jarrod,

Guess you didnt notice that I highlighted the word unique

They are unique. As in, they weren't released last year on PS2/PC.

Shinobi said:
And where this Sonic weapon for Gamecube is coming from is beyond me.

Yuji Naka's mouth evidently. Try to keep up.

Shinobi · Jan 30, 2005

jarrod said:
Yuji Naka's mouth evidently. Try to keep up.

Guess you missed the "maybe I missed it bit"...perhaps you should try reading an entire post. Not that you could argue against it. :lol

shpankey · Jan 30, 2005

Xbox 2004 was simply amazing. GameCube was really good also.

lordmrw · Jan 30, 2005

I think the reason xbox really caught on last year is because all of the games that were continually delayed for years finally came out all together. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Fable, Halo 2, etc. combined with other brand new exclusives to give it a great buzz. I honestly don't think they could have timed that price drop any better.

gamergirly · Jan 30, 2005

jarrod said:
Well, Sonic still a pretty high profile exclusive, every 3D Sopnic sold in excess of 1 million this gen (though admittedly across multiple platforms). But I'm talking direct sales so much as industry/media hype. GameCube has 3 exclusives that can really garner that sort of attention, PS2 still has a ton coming (FFXII, DQVIII, KH2, DMC3, Tekken 5, etc) while Xbox doesn't really have anything comparable. Xbox does have a solid lineup that caters to it's base, at least for the 1st half but after that there's this huge dropoff. I suspect the 2nd half for Xbox is going to be almost entirely PS2/PC ports, a good chunk of which will hit GameCube too (anything from EA, Activision, UbiSoft & THQ basically). And in 2006 support will drop entirely besides EA probably (as will GameCube but with Nintendo games as well).

They're new high profile exclusives, something every platform but Xbox seems to be getting next year. You can probably blame Microsoft for that. Fanboi.

That's fair

gamergirly · Jan 30, 2005

Broshnat said:
Let's get a grip here please.

Million sellers:
-GTA San Andreas

500k +
-Oddworld Stranger
-Star Wars: Republic Commando
-Splinter Cell 3
-Jade Empire
-Forza Motorsport
-Star Wars Ep 3
-Conker Live & Reloaded
-Madden 2006

250k+
-NFL Street 2
-NBA Street Vol 3
-Project Snowblind
-Fight Night Round 2
-Brothers in Arms
-ESPN MLB 2K5
-MVP Baseball 2005
-Phantom Dust
-Doom 3
-Rainbow Six: Lockdown
-Unreal Championship 2
-Midnight Club 3
-Psychonauts
-Sid Meier's Pirate's
-Conker Live & Reloaded
-NCAA Football 2006
-Starcraft Ghost
-Farcry Instincts

Less than 250k
-Winning Eleven 8
-Street Fighter AC Live
-Phantom Dust
-Cold Fear
-Wrestlemania XXI
-Super Monkey Ball DX
-Iron Phoenix
-Advent Rising
-Dead to Rights 2
-Psychonauts
-Area 51
-Lego Star Wars
-Darkwatch
-Pariah
-Flatout
-Scarface
-Battlefield Modern Combat

And those coming to Gamecube as well:

-NFL Street 2
-NBA Street Vol 3
-Fight Night Round 2 ?
-Timesplitters FP ?
-Wrestlemania XXI
-Splinter Cell 3
-NCAA Football 2006
-Madden 2006

That's fair too

sonycowboy · Jan 31, 2005

Because I like to start a fire

US NPD LTD Hardware Sales as of Aug 2004 NPD

Code:

System   Title                      Publisher                    Rel Date   LTD Sales
PS2      ONLINE PACK                SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Jun-03  1,964,588
PS2      PLAYSTATION 2 SYSTEM       SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Oct-00 21,401,294
PS2      FALL 2003 BUNDLE           SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Nov-03     48,796
PS2      SYSTEM W/GT 3              SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Jul-01    878,546
PS2      ACTION PACK                SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Oct-02         14
PS2      BUNDLE W/COUPONS           SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Nov-02     30,127
PS2      HARDWARE BND W/COUPON      SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Aug-03     17,087
PS2      HARDWARE BUNDLE            SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Sep-02         86
PS2      BUNDLE PACK                SONY (CORP)                       Jun-03        122
[b]PS2 Total                                                                    24,340,660[/b]
XBX      XBOX SYSTEM                MICROSOFT                         Nov-01  4,924,723
XBX      SPECIAL ED HALO BNDLE      MICROSOFT                         Apr-04    233,138
[i]XBX      XBOX REFURBISHED           MICROSOFT                         Mar-02    522,000[/i] :D
XBX      LIVE HOLIDAY BUNDLE        MICROSOFT                         Sep-03  1,494,187
XBX      FALL 2003 BUNDLE           MICROSOFT                         Nov-03     24,159
XBX      HOLIDAY BUNDLE             MICROSOFT                         Oct-02  2,257,233
XBX      GIFT SET 2003              MICROSOFT                         Nov-03      3,894
[b]XBX Total                                                                     9,459,334[/b]

Speevy · Jan 31, 2005

Aww...

jarrod · Jan 31, 2005

sonycowboy said:

Because I like to start a fire

US NPD LTD Hardware Sales as of Aug 2004 NPD

Code:

System   Title                      Publisher                    Rel Date   LTD Sales
PS2      ONLINE PACK                SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Jun-03  1,964,588
PS2      PLAYSTATION 2 SYSTEM       SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Oct-00 21,401,294
PS2      FALL 2003 BUNDLE           SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Nov-03     48,796
PS2      SYSTEM W/GT 3              SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Jul-01    878,546
PS2      ACTION PACK                SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Oct-02         14
PS2      BUNDLE W/COUPONS           SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Nov-02     30,127
PS2      HARDWARE BND W/COUPON      SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Aug-03     17,087
PS2      HARDWARE BUNDLE            SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)         Sep-02         86
PS2      BUNDLE PACK                SONY (CORP)                       Jun-03        122
[b]PS2 Total                                                                    24,340,660[/b]
XBX      XBOX SYSTEM                MICROSOFT                         Nov-01  4,924,723
XBX      SPECIAL ED HALO BNDLE      MICROSOFT                         Apr-04    233,138
[i]XBX      XBOX REFURBISHED           MICROSOFT                         Mar-02    522,000[/i] :D
XBX      LIVE HOLIDAY BUNDLE        MICROSOFT                         Sep-03  1,494,187
XBX      FALL 2003 BUNDLE           MICROSOFT                         Nov-03     24,159
XBX      HOLIDAY BUNDLE             MICROSOFT                         Oct-02  2,257,233
XBX      GIFT SET 2003              MICROSOFT                         Nov-03      3,894
[b]XBX Total                                                                     9,459,334[/b]

Have the GC/GBA breakdowns too? I'm surprised the GT3 bundle sold an extra 900k but really shocked the JSRF/SegaGT bundle sold 2.25M!!

sonycowboy · Jan 31, 2005

jarrod said:
Have the GC/GBA breakdowns too? I'm surprised the GT3 bundle sold an extra 900k but really shocked the JSRF/SegaGT bundle sold 2.25M!!

Nobody cares that 500k of the Xbox installed base are Refurbished systems? That is systems, that were bought, returned to M$ (or I supposed EB/Gamestop) and then resold (ie = USED)

jarrod · Jan 31, 2005

sonycowboy said:
Nobody cares that 500k of the Xbox installed base are Refurbished systems? That is systems, that were bought, returned to M$ (or I supposed EB/Gamestop) and then resold (ie = USED)

Didn't notice that actually, that's even more surprising!

Does SCEA not sell refurbished systems then, or do they just not report them seperately? What about Nintendo?

sonycowboy · Jan 31, 2005

jarrod said:
Didn't notice that actually, that's even more surprising!

Does SCEA not sell refurbished systems then, or do they just not report them seperately? What about Nintendo?

None are listed for the PS2.

Everybody does refurbished systems, they just are normally listed as USED sales, not new. They shouldn't be on the report, IMO.

Also GCN:

GCN GAMECUBE REFURBISHED NINTENDO OF AMERICA May-02 115,251

Speevy · Jan 31, 2005

sonycowboy, don't stop using your powers for fanboy reasons. It's quite entertaining. What's the failure rate on PS2's btw? :lol

jarrod · Jan 31, 2005

sonycowboy said:
None are listed for the PS2.

Everybody does refurbished systems, they just are normally listed as USED sales, not new. They shouldn't be on the report, IMO.

Also GCN:

GCN GAMECUBE REFURBISHED NINTENDO OF AMERICA May-02 115,251

Could we have the other GCN figures (and GBA too) if it's not too much trouble?

And are those GCN refurbished sales reported as new also?

sonycowboy · Jan 31, 2005

Speevy said:
sonycowboy, don't stop using your powers for fanboy reasons. It's quite entertaining. What's the failure rate on PS2's btw? :lol

:lol

The truth is out there. I'm just presenting simple numbers.

BTW, The failure rate on PS2's is like 36.34725323471206%

Miburou · Jan 31, 2005

Does MS include those refurbished systems in its shipped figures?

open_mouth_ · Jan 31, 2005

sonycowboy said:
Nobody cares that 500k of the Xbox installed base are Refurbished systems? That is systems, that were bought, returned to M$ (or I supposed EB/Gamestop) and then resold (ie = USED)

Nobody except your everyday, run-of-the-mill jaded sony fanboy...

sonycowboy · Jan 31, 2005

Miburou said:
Does MS include those refurbished systems in its shipped figures?

No idea. I doubt it, though.

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