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[jm89]

i take Tim's words as the confirmation of my own analysis and observations.

so Tim said 4 months I was thinking 6, then another 12 or so; in this time frame we should see a trajectory where Xbox takes shape as a sustainable and viable business long term or a trajectory that feels like the Titanic but without the glamour

what he was alluding was specifically to the deep and systemic mismanagement around game development, He said that he knows a lot about why Xbox can't make games. now, if i remember the correctly he made that tweet days before the halo veteran left the studio (this dev just made another post) and shit seems more problematic than an ego fight.

Tim believes several things:
Sarah getting fired
Phil retire at the end of the year (Tim says Phil is just "checked out")
There will not be a Next Box.

whatever or not he knows "things" ; when we see what's happening now and in the immediate future:

1.Game Pass price hike and PR meltdown
2. Shills unable to shift the narrative
3. Xbox keeps releasing games without any hype/ impact in the market
3. CoD underperforming
4. ROG Ally being a catastrophic disaster. (the worst thing about it is Xbox/windows)... critical for Xbox hardware in the future

5.No stock for the holiday season
6. the next round of layoffs/game cancelations and delays.

Xbox is fucked in all fronts. The new dude in charge of the business can simply said: "we are done"

I wouldn't take anything that comes out of timdog right now as anything close to the truth.

He may have had contacts at MS before but doesn't look like he does now.

To me it seems like his just jumping on the bandwagon of the recent rumors from sneakerso and just the general rumblings of xbox consoles dissapearing from certain stores.

 

[Baemono]

Plot twist

Heisenberg is Phil Spencer and Kepler is Sarah Bond.

That would be the most interesting stuff coming from Xbox management in years.

 

[Kerotan]

Technically a PS6 is an Xbox now.

 

[midnightAI]

is it an actual traditional home console though? That's what people are asking. Rumours have been pointing to a expensive PC hybrid or some shit.

Thats the dilemma they probably have at the moment, they will be prototyping lots of options as will Nintendo and Sony (those two are unlikely to go the PC like route for a good while yet though)

But MS will certainly like to keep their option open at the moment I would have thought, whether that's a straight PC like option (can actually be used as a PC), a hybrid of some kind (can kind of be used as a cut down PC if you wish but primarily more console-like), a pure console like option, handhelds, hybrid handhelds (like Switch) etc. I'm sure the decision will be made soon as to whether they would do one or multiple options, heck, they could still scrap the whole lot and pass it off to third parties like ASUS if it came down to that (I find that unlikely and I do personally think they will just have a regular console and that both it and the PS6 will be comparable in both price and specs. they just don't seem to learn)

What would have been interesting (and its a bit too late for that) is if back in the day MS had chosen and stuck with NVidia that way there really would be a difference in the consoles but as it stands they are getting the parts from similar places so they end up being practically the same, although I do feel that next gen we could 'maybe' see a difference, I think Sony working as close as they are with AMD on new tech to massively improve raytracing 'could' mean Sony has the upper hand when it comes to the actual architectural design of the console and could theoretically leverage the hardware and software to their advantage, but we'll see.

 

[GHG]

Can these companies enter partnerships and then "LOL NEVERMIND" the company building the shit

Yep, these contracts always come with cancellation clauses.

AMD are making money either way here. If Microsoft pull out they would need to pay. Also if Microsoft don't order/produce more than the number of units agreed in the contract then they will also need to pay up.

Either way they are paying.

 

[Ramiro_Rodriguez]

Only reason I don't doubt it anymore is because I trust info from HeisenbergFX4 and K KeplerL2 more than I do MS corporate executives.

I can't see the reason for a new Xbox, when Game Pass Ultimate is already expensive and only makes sense when you play many games and almost every MS Game Studios game is multiplattform.

 

[ResilientBanana]

If they truly wanted to come out with a next gen system to meet Sony in 2027, they should be past the design phase.

They're in the prototyping phase.

 

[GHG]

TimDog knows nothing in case anyone needed to hear that.

With his livelihood depending on clicks he would be breaking this news if he had anything he thought was real

Both Timdog and S SneakersSO knew about the "just 4 games" situation long before it was public knowledge.

It seems like "good news" gets pushed through certain channels and leakers while "bad news" leaks through other channels at the same time.

 

[Radical_3d]

Everyone is concerned about this generation, Sarah. Where is the stock!?

 

[Humdinger]

Next-gen hardware could simply mean cloud servers, and no lies would have been told.

That's possible. I'm expecting actual hardware, though - a PC-like box that has BC. But we shall see...

 

[AJUMP23]

I think it will be something. Not sure what that will be. Probably no media drive.

 

[Humdinger]

I wouldn't take anything that comes out of timdog right now as anything close to the truth.

Yeah, I wouldn't consider him a trustworthy source of information. First, he is just too emotionally driven to be objective. Second, he recently alluded to big news, then said he couldn't talk about it, but oh boy it's big. He provided zero details, nothing at all, just a "I know something Big and you don't." He could have spoken in generalities rather than specifics and disguised any info that could've been traced, but instead he just stayed in this "I've got a secret" position, which to me seemed rather manipulative.

 

[Bondo]

So the opposite must be true then.

 

[midnightAI]

Yeah, I wouldn't consider him a trustworthy source of information. First, he is just too emotionally driven to be objective. Second, he recently alluded to big news, then said he couldn't talk about it, but oh boy it's big. He provided zero details, nothing at all, just a "I know something Big and you don't." He could have spoken in generalities rather than specifics and disguised any info that could've been traced, but instead he just stayed in this "I've got a secret" position, which to me seemed rather manipulative.

And of course if anything does happen he'll say 'see I told you' and if nothing happens then 'I heard the plans changed'
Classic attention seeker

 

[Heisenberg007]

So no mention or indication of an Xbox Series X|S type console anywhere in these quotes?

 

[Horseganador]

Xbox can confirm it 20 times and no one will believe them 100%, that's too many lies and changes of course in a short time.

 

[Humdinger]

So no mention or indication of an Xbox Series X|S type console anywhere in these quotes?

I don't see any. Just a lot of vague statements about looking at things, hardware being at some stage in development. Oh, and also, they're listening and innovating.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

If they truly wanted to come out with a next gen system to meet Sony in 2027, they should be past the design phase.

Yeah, you aren't putting out a console anywhere near when Sony does (so being competitive) if you are still in the design/prototyping phase IMO.\
My guess is you would need to be starting to manufacture them by let's say April/May? (I really don't know so maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in?) in order to release in the Fall so that only leaves you 18 months which doesn't really seem like enough time.

Unless of course it's simply a PC with the AMD chip inside of it.

That being said this is the same company and person that said that the Xbox ROG Ally was more innovative than doing their own handheld ...

"[We made ROG Xbox Ally] to really begin to transform the experience and take it to that next level in a way that we could do partnered much quicker, and in a much more innovative way, than we could [individually] with what we were each doing,"

 

[GoldenEye98]

This is one of those things that can be true but also doesn't mean a console is definitely going to be released...

 

[Darsxx82]

So no mention or indication of an Xbox Series X|S type console anywhere in these quotes?

In the same interview, she refers to what was announced in the public agreement with AMD, where she said...

Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire

This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.

news.xbox.com

"Sarah Bond, President of Xbox, shares how Xbox and AMD are working together to advance the state of the art in gaming silicon across the Xbox ecosystem, including our next-generation Xbox console"

"Lisa Su, Chair and Chief Executive Officer of AMD, shares how Xbox and AMD are building on two decades of partnership, innovation, and trust. AMD will extend its console work to design full roadmap of gaming-optimized chips combining the power of Ryzen and Radeon for consoles, handhelds, PCs, and cloud."

In the same interview, she makes it clear that "Next Gen Hardware" is a set of products for all types of users. From the most hardcore users who want the latest and most advanced technology, to more casual gamers and those interested in products like handhelds.

Beyond Sarah Bond, P. Spencer, or even Lisa Shu talking about "consoles"... you also have HeisenbergFX4 and K KeplerL2 here defending Project Magnus as a traditional console....

Come on, I don't know, maybe since the news is that Xbox Next development hasn't stopped, now it's time to go back to "it's not a console." I'm sure if the time comes and a traditional console is announced, the narrative will be "another traditional console is suicidal and a disappointment"

PS. Up until the day of the announcement with AMD, MS had been using "NextGen hardware" for a whole year when discussing its plans for NextGen XBOX hardware (there is a OP here in Neogaf about it). With that AMD announcement, the concept became clear, and how "the next Xbox consoles" are one part of "NextGen hardware" plan where are "chips designes for consoles, cloud, PC and handhelds"

 

[Humdinger]

If Xbox were really to issue another "traditional console" - i.e., a closed ecosystem (no access to Steam or other storefronts) and a clear focus on console exclusives -- that would be something to celebrate.

I really don't think that's what is coming down the pike, though.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

In the same interview, she refers to what was announced in the public agreement with AMD, where she said...

Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire

This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.

news.xbox.com

"Sarah Bond, President of Xbox, shares how Xbox and AMD are working together to advance the state of the art in gaming silicon across the Xbox ecosystem, including our next-generation Xbox console"

"Lisa Su, Chair and Chief Executive Officer of AMD, shares how Xbox and AMD are building on two decades of partnership, innovation, and trust. AMD will extend its console work to design full roadmap of gaming-optimized chips combining the power of Ryzen and Radeon for consoles, handhelds, PCs, and cloud."

In the same interview, she makes it clear that "Next Gen Hardware" is a set of products for all types of users. From the most hardcore users who want the latest and most advanced technology, to more casual gamers and those interested in products like handhelds.

Beyond Sarah Bond, P. Spencer, or even Lisa Shu talking about "consoles"... you also have HeisenbergFX4 and K KeplerL2 here defending Project Magnus as a traditional console....

Come on, I don't know, maybe since the news is that Xbox Next development hasn't stopped, now it's time to go back to "it's not a console." I'm sure if the time comes and a traditional console is announced, the narrative will be "another traditional console is suicidal and a disappointment"

PS. Up until the day of the announcement with AMD, MS had been using "NextGen hardware" for a whole year when discussing its plans for NextGen XBOX hardware (there is a OP here in Neogaf about it). With that AMD announcement, the concept became clear, and how "the next Xbox consoles" are one part of "NextGen hardware" plan where are "chips designes for consoles, cloud, PC and handhelds"

There is a lot of distrust with the Xbox leadership so I don't blame anyone for not believing what Xbox says as of late so even if they spelled it out once a week what was happening there is a large group of people who wouldn't believe them

In all honesty not sure I would believe them either, but I have seen some things that have me convinced they are still all in on next gen even a console along side Asus type of Xbox branded PCs using the same Magnus chip minus the BC

About all I can say at this point

I will say I expect any day now someone like Jez have an article with more info regarding next gen consoles

 

[JackHanma]

Maybe I am in the minority here, but I love my Xbox.

 

[Baemono]

There is a lot of distrust with the Xbox leadership so I don't blame anyone for not believing what Xbox says as of late so even if they spelled it out once a week what was happening there is a large group of people who wouldn't believe them

In all honesty not sure I would believe them either, but I have seen some things that have me convinced they are still all in on next gen even a console along side Asus type of Xbox branded PCs using the same Magnus chip minus the BC

About all I can say at this point

I will say I expect any day now someone like Jez have an article with more info regarding next gen consoles

Thanks for the explanation Phil

 

[EchoByte]

There is a lot of distrust with the Xbox leadership so I don't blame anyone for not believing what Xbox says as of late so even if they spelled it out once a week what was happening there is a large group of people who wouldn't believe them

In all honesty not sure I would believe them either, but I have seen some things that have me convinced they are still all in on next gen even a console along side Asus type of Xbox branded PCs using the same Magnus chip minus the BC

About all I can say at this point

I will say I expect any day now someone like Jez have an article with more info regarding next gen consoles

then why does Ybarra seem to think Xbox hardware, the console itself, is dead? strange times.

 

[viveks86]

a console along side Asus type of Xbox branded PCs using the same Magnus chip minus the BC

Launching together??

then why does Ybarra seem to think Xbox hardware, the console itself, is dead? strange times.

Never had a scorned ex?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

then why does Ybarra seem to think Xbox hardware, the console itself, is dead? strange times.

Even went through a messy break up and have a spiteful ex?

Launching together??

I think the console will come first but in all honesty I don't know timing

 

[EchoByte]

Launching together??


Never had a scorned ex?

so he makes things up that is not true. This whole scorned ex-narrative is definitely believablele to those who are projecting what they'd do if they were actually fired by Xbox.

 

[tr1p1ex]

they are perfecting the invisi-cloak the SEries X currently uses at major retailers. Expected 2027 release.

 

[viveks86]

so he makes things up that is not true. This whole scorned ex-narrative is definitely believablele to those who are projecting what they'd do if they were actually fired by Xbox.

I don't think he is making things up. He isn't claiming his statement is backed by sources. He is just speculating/assuming the worst case scenario, which a lot of us here do as well. If he prefaces with "I've been told", then that should certainly be taken more seriously.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

so he makes things up that is not true. This whole scorned ex-narrative is definitely believablele to those who are projecting what they'd do if they were actually fired by Xbox.

I don't think he is making things up so much as just reacting to what others are seeing like dwindling sales and no stock on shelves and stores even removing Xbox content all together

That said he also had his keys to castle green taken away and very likely people are not talking to him with any type of information and for good reason

Just my 2 cents

 

[EchoByte]

I don't think he is making things up so much as just reacting to what others are seeing like dwindling sales and no stock on shelves and stores even removing Xbox content all together

That said he also had his keys to castle green taken away and very likely people are not talking to him with any type of information and for good reason

Just my 2 cents

i thought he was your source the entire time. my bad.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Even went through a messy break up and have a spiteful ex?


I think the console will come first but in all honesty I don't know timing

Is it true during his first period there, he called out issues and the management at 343 over what was happening with Halo? I saw a tweet the other day which I can't find now sorry, which alluded as such and he was basically scorned at for doing so.

 

[viveks86]

Never had a scorned ex?

Even went through a messy break up and have a spiteful ex?

I don't think he is making things up

I don't think he is making things up

Bruh....

 

[Humdinger]

HeisenbergFX4 , Darssxx82 said you stated that a "traditional console" is in the works.

Can you clarify for me what you mean by a "traditional console"? This term gets tossed around without definition, and sometimes debates can be resolved by just defining terms.

To me, a "traditional console" means a closed ecosystem (i.e., you can't access Steam or other PC storefronts) and a focus on exclusive content to draw people into that ecosystem and retain them.

Is that what you mean by "traditional console"? Or is it something else?

 

[Parazels]

Do I believe in a next gen Xbox? Yes.
Do I believe it will be a classic console? No.
Do I believe it will be affordable? No.

 

[Darsxx82]

There is a lot of distrust with the Xbox leadership so I don't blame anyone for not believing what Xbox says as of late so even if they spelled it out once a week what was happening there is a large group of people who wouldn't believe them

In all honesty not sure I would believe them either, but I have seen some things that have me convinced they are still all in on next gen even a console along side Asus type of Xbox branded PCs using the same Magnus chip minus the BC

About all I can say at this point

I will say I expect any day now someone like Jez have an article with more info regarding next gen consoles

It's perfectly legitimate and understandable that people have the feeling that with MS, nothing is fixed and everything can change from one day to the next, even development plans lasting years or multi-million-dollar deals.

Time will tell, but just focusing on the plans that are currently underway (because I don't think the CEO of AMD and XBOX would publicly state today that this plan is still in development, and that they would even mention the existence of this plan on prime-time ABC programs and in interviews if it didn't currently exist) and speaking of this "nextGen hardware," literallyand directly announcing "next Xbox consoles" is clear. In the "NextGen hardware" plan, part of it is a device created under the idea of a traditional console (box, genuine hardware, proprietary OS, walled garden...) along with chips for Xcloud and PCs based on the chips and architecture of that XboxNext.

That there is hardware in development in the form of a traditional Xbox console was defended by you and Kepler before the announcement with AMD. We can say that this AMD agreement annun follows the same path. How it ends is another matter.

 

[Moriarty1889]

Lots of damage control by MS PR after the mess that have made with the Xbox division. The people running the brand are utter morons and should have been replaced long ago.

 

[Boo Who?]

Plot twist

Heisenberg is Phil Spencer and Kepler is Sarah Bond.

Kepler is going to get so many DM'd dick picks.........and sent.

 

[tr1p1ex]

 

[djjinx2]

Plot twist

Heisenberg is Phil Spencer and Kepler is Sarah Bond.

HeisenbergFX4 You been feeding My Man Adam's throat your Apples??????

 

[viveks86]

HeisenbergFX4 , Darssxx82 said you stated that a "traditional console" is in the works.

Can you clarify for me what you mean by a "traditional console"? This term gets tossed around without definition, and sometimes debates can be resolved by just defining terms.

To me, a "traditional console" means a closed ecosystem (i.e., you can't access Steam or other PC storefronts) and a focus on exclusive content to draw people into that ecosystem and retain them.

Is that what you mean by "traditional console"? Or is it something else?

https://www.neogaf.com/search/4489535/?q=console+steam&c[users]=HeisenbergFX4&o=relevance

Going by that history, it doesn't meet your definition of a traditional console, but it should give you clarity on what he means.

 

[MacReady13]

Maybe I am in the minority here, but I love my Xbox.

By Xbox, what exactly are you referring to? Xbox series x/s? PC? PS5? Switch/2? Mobile phone? TV? Streaming dongle? Laptop? What exactly do you mean? I know what an Xbox is to me- it is ONLY a console. But what are YOU talking about???

 

[chromhound]

Hardware

 

[Humdinger]

https://www.neogaf.com/search/4489535/?q=console+steam&c[users]=HeisenbergFX4&o=relevance

Going by that history, it doesn't meet your definition of a traditional console, but it should give you clarity on what he means.

Ah okay, thanks. If the hardware runs Steam and other PC storefronts, that's not a "traditional console." It loses the defining feature of a traditional console, the closed ecosystem.

So yeah, defining terms is important. Apparently "traditional console" means something far different to Heisenberg than it does to me.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Ah okay, thanks. If the hardware runs Steam and other PC storefronts, that's not a "traditional console." It loses the defining feature of a traditional console, the closed ecosystem.

So yeah, defining terms is important. Apparently "traditional console" means something far different to Heisenberg than it does to me.

I can see where a closed ecosystem is required to be a traditional console

This next box will not be closed and glad Xbox finally alluded to that

I lean more to "traditional console" to playing my old Xbox library and play games like GTA 6 day one when it doesn't have a PC version yet

Sorry I missed your original question

 

[Humdinger]

I can see where a closed ecosystem is required to be a traditional console

This next box will not be closed and glad Xbox finally alluded to that

I lean more to "traditional console" to playing my old Xbox library and play games like GTA 6 day one when it doesn't have a PC version yet

Sorry I missed your original question

No problem. Thanks for the clarification. Next time I hear you refer to it as a "traditional console," I'll know better what you mean. That's not a traditional console to me, but you say potato...

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

Okay, okay, It is... But is it a console though?

 

[Humdinger]

Okay, okay, It is... But is it a console though?

People will call it what they like, but I think "hybrid" is probably the better word.

 

[JackHanma]

By Xbox, what exactly are you referring to? Xbox series x/s? PC? PS5? Switch/2? Mobile phone? TV? Streaming dongle? Laptop? What exactly do you mean? I know what an Xbox is to me- it is ONLY a console. But what are YOU talking about???

My original Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox Series X, and the Series S attached to my projector.