could you elaborate further on this? From what i've seen his prison cell is nicer than the private university dorm i stayed in my freshman year.
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D.C. sniper asks for new sentencing in light of Supreme Court rulings on juveniles
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could you elaborate further on this? From what i've seen his prison cell is nicer than the private university dorm i stayed in my freshman year.
old manatee
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So he deserves a harsher punishment because you couldn't get into a better university?
Disagree.
rehabilitation for white collar crimes, drug dealers, armed robbery, stuff like that. Train them, allow them to actually get jobs by not holding it on their record forever. Murdering people? Murdering multiple people? Thats where it transitions from rehab to punishment.
Skellig Gra
Member
If he is properly evaluated and can be rehabilitated then go for it. No point in just letting him rot in prison for 70 years if he can be a net positive to society at some point.
old manatee
Banned
If you actually think that the death penalty should be on the table for people who commit crimes as a minor I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.
i was asking him to elaborate, as i understand it Breivik will be allowed to walk free at some point, which is what i actually disagree with it.
Ron Mexico
Member
From purely a judicial standpoint, I think his attorney has a point about the need for a new sentencing hearing.
I also think that sentencing hearing would and should return consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole.
There's a distinct line between the procedural grounds of due process and an attorney using it as an end around for his client to one day be free.
I also think that sentencing hearing would and should return consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole.
There's a distinct line between the procedural grounds of due process and an attorney using it as an end around for his client to one day be free.
Skellig Gra
Member
He can only walk free if he is deemed fit to return to society, otherwise he stays locked up.
Putting words in my mouth.
I disagree that death penalty should be abolished.
I also think he should die in jail.
The two are independent of one another.
old manatee
Banned
Agreed on all counts. He should get due process, but said process should rightfully return a life sentence.
I can't imagine a scenario where a human being who willfully murderers over a dozen people over the course of weeks is able to become fully rehabilitated. I don't even know how you would certify the rehabilitation of someone like that.
I wouldn't lose sleep.
old manatee
Banned
Because you believe that the death penalty should be on the table for people who commit crimes as a minor.
old manatee
Banned
We can go around this all day long.
He deserves to die in prison. Be that today, tomorrow or a hundred years from now.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Yeah, I can understand why people want to give him a second chance. He was just a kid when it happened.
I mean, imagine youre only 17 and someone tells you that its a good idea to murder lots of innocent people. Why, Ill bet youd drop your juice box and wee all over your Osh Koshes.
I can picture this poor kid, watching the latest episode of Barney and Friends when his father figure walks into the room with a loaded sniper rifle and says, Lets blow off some heads. This kid probably couldnt string two words together because he was so scared. But he did it anyway, because that days episode of Barney was about helping your family.
Now Im just left to wonder how the poor little tyke was able to squeeze the trigger with such tiny little hands. Mustve had some modifications done to the rifle to allow him to brutally murder and injure all those people.
Poor little fella. Hes the real victim here.
I mean, imagine youre only 17 and someone tells you that its a good idea to murder lots of innocent people. Why, Ill bet youd drop your juice box and wee all over your Osh Koshes.
I can picture this poor kid, watching the latest episode of Barney and Friends when his father figure walks into the room with a loaded sniper rifle and says, Lets blow off some heads. This kid probably couldnt string two words together because he was so scared. But he did it anyway, because that days episode of Barney was about helping your family.
Now Im just left to wonder how the poor little tyke was able to squeeze the trigger with such tiny little hands. Mustve had some modifications done to the rifle to allow him to brutally murder and injure all those people.
Poor little fella. Hes the real victim here.
old manatee
Banned
And again I would be 100% fine with that.
old manatee
Banned
So you would be fine with this person who committed crimes as a minor being put to death, but I'm putting words in your mouth when I say that you support the death penalty for people who committed crimes as a minor.
I feel like I'm talking to Donald Trump's Twitter account.
Killer Queen
Banned
Legit
I'm just saying that there are a lot if ways to die. Ask the families of his victims.
He is not worth the air he breathes.
FrontalMonk
Banned
On one hand, I don't disagree with the judge's assertion that Malvo's sentencing should be reviewed in light of the SCOTUS ruling.
On the other hand, I feel like a lot of the posters here talking about rehabilitating prisoners didn't live in the DMV during this time and are placing their moral compasses in ivory towers. It was fucking scary to know that you could get popped at any time for no reason, just minding your own business. There was a palpable environment of fear at the time that I had never experienced before, and I hope no one ever does again. As a result, I disagree with the idea of Malvo being paroled on a personal level.
On the other hand, I feel like a lot of the posters here talking about rehabilitating prisoners didn't live in the DMV during this time and are placing their moral compasses in ivory towers. It was fucking scary to know that you could get popped at any time for no reason, just minding your own business. There was a palpable environment of fear at the time that I had never experienced before, and I hope no one ever does again. As a result, I disagree with the idea of Malvo being paroled on a personal level.
SpartanN92
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Anybody who thinks this guy should be released is a fool.
There are somethings you don't get 2nd chances for.
There are somethings you don't get 2nd chances for.
old manatee
Banned
Lol
I would rather have him spend many long years in jail until death comes for him.
Would I have been upset if he met a bullet on capture? No.
Would I care if he met his end some other way? No.
Do I support the death sentence of minors? No.
Clear enough for you?
LastGamer84
Member
Never seen it, but reading the synopsis I see where you're coming from. Like I said keep him locked up. Or execute him.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Yup. He can stay in jail. Not giving him a second chance to gun more people down. You don't come back from that. Fuck rolling the odds on him not to reoffend. Not giving him the chance.
He can rehabilitate himself in jail if he's so inclined but he should never walk free again. Sorry. 17 is old enough to be held accountable for murdering 17 innocent human beings.
old manatee
Banned
This is why there is a defense force for the worst monsters:
There are people who think that minors deserve the death penalty. That's not the kind of world I want to live in.
Of what? Mass Murderer Defense-GAF?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
James? Is this really you? Are you drunk?
So I don't know much of the context here (I'm... not sure I'd heard of this before now?) so I don't feel comfortable saying much, but... I'm confused to why people in this thread looked at this and immediately acted like he made this plan? Unless I'm missing something, it wasn't he who came up with any of this, right?
Like, not trying to say anything about him or his willingness to go through with it. I'm just confused why people reacted as if it was his plan.
It is still a box he can't get out of, unlike your shitty dorm room.
What if he was an 18 year old that was brainwashed?
old manatee
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Then we wouldn't be having this conversation because the thread is called:
"D.C. sniper asks for new sentencing in light of Supreme Court rulings on juveniles"
if he is rehabilitated I'm all for it.
also reading this thread is depressing. america is so different when it comes to ethics.. it's all connected this culture of vengeance, fear, punishment, guns and corruption, I think it's going to take a very long time for things to change.
also reading this thread is depressing. america is so different when it comes to ethics.. it's all connected this culture of vengeance, fear, punishment, guns and corruption, I think it's going to take a very long time for things to change.
You're right. What a difference a few months makes.
So? The system over there actually works, which, you know, is what actually motherfucking matters, not you crying about your university dorm. Btw, fun fact: they also have a better, more affordable education system too.
old manatee
Banned
If you have a problem with minors being treated differently than adults in the criminal justice system I don't know what to tell you.
That first part will never happen since prisons are big business now. Rehabilitation isn't the objective (Or ever really was to be honest) so much as it is exploitation of prisoners.
As for this guy, I'm on the fence about it. He killed so many people but at the same time he was a juvenile and under the influence of a psycho for a long time, which is a huge contributing factor. I think almost everyone deserves a second chance, but I'm just not sure if being in prison so long couldn't have fucked him up even more than he already was.
n00bsauce87
Member
The slope is slippery.
Should he say in jail for the rest of his life? Yes
Is there now a legal case that he should get a chance for parole? Yes
You wouldn't be a good defense attorney if you didn't at least try.
For the slippery slope part, can we pick and choose which juvenile life sentences are unconstitutional or valid?
I'm speaking as a kid (at the time) who lived in the area where these shootings took place. My mom was terrified for me and had me making a B-line to the house after the bus let me off for the day.
Should he say in jail for the rest of his life? Yes
Is there now a legal case that he should get a chance for parole? Yes
You wouldn't be a good defense attorney if you didn't at least try.
For the slippery slope part, can we pick and choose which juvenile life sentences are unconstitutional or valid?
I'm speaking as a kid (at the time) who lived in the area where these shootings took place. My mom was terrified for me and had me making a B-line to the house after the bus let me off for the day.
How about this.
This person, who comitted mass murder as a 17 year old, call it a child if you must, should be put to death.
Seriously. All the people saying he was brainwashed or under the influence of a guy terrify me. If people think one person being an influence on someone enough to become a mass murderer is normal or an excuse then I don't know what to say. 'Brainwashing' isn't magic the guy was 17 you know what the hell murder is when you're 17.
old manatee
Banned
You're like the 6th person in this thread asking for juveniles to get the death penalty so I don't know why you are acting like it's a brave stance.
ClosingADoor
Member
If you get to that point, I'm not comfortable letting you out of prison out of fear of you doing it again. So he can stay put.
It's not ideals. I'm not saying this guy is ready to get out of prison, but if he's truly been rehabilitated, why keep him there?
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