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Damnit, Ratchet & Clank 2 is how you do a sequel.

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Last month I got my PS2 back with about 18 games I haven't touched yet. I started on R&C 2 right after I finished the first, near what I'm assuming the end it's awesome. The first was fun Going Commando just kicks its so bad. Better graphics, bigger worlds and the difficulty is just crazy. The system of updating weapons is improved. They even made the dreaded racing level fun. This one also has much better humor. Can't wait to get into the next two.

PS. I have Jak 2 and 3 but haven't played them yet. I know the original looks alot different but would it be worth it to drop 15 bucks on it?
 
I think I played GC for a total of 60 hours... with 6 playthroughs before I got sick of it. Lotta replay value there. Definitely one of the best platformers this gen.

As far as Jak goes, GC is what Jak II was trying to be. I haven't played the others in the Jak series, but I believe they're probably marginally less awful.

Really, just do UYA and Deadlocked and forget about that other franchise.
 
I have all 3 Ratchet and Clank games an 2 has always been my favorite. UYA is great as well but there's just something about GC that's over and above incredibly fun to me.

I wonder if they are making a next gen sequel. It would make sense but I haven't heard a word on it yet.
 
GC and UYA are pretty dead even for me. They are both like $15-20 everywhere now so there's no reason you shouldn't have them both. I don't usually even like those kind of games but R & C is so good I make an exception for it.

I wonder if they are making a next gen sequel. It would make sense but I haven't heard a word on it yet.

Last thing I read was that they were pretty bored of the R & C thing and were making an all new, more realistic game before they made another R & C.
 
They reminded me a ton of Jet Force Gemini, just alot more developed. I wouldn't mind a version of either one on the PS3 or 360.
 
Kojiro said:
Go and play the Jak franchise = Awesome

The Jak franchise was ruined by the second installment for too many reasons for me to list in one post in a thread about the infinitely better Going Commando.
 
AniHawk said:
The Jak franchise was ruined by the second installment for too many reasons for me to list in one post in a thread about the infinitely better Going Commando.
Your Jak-hate is well known. So please, just stick it already
 
AniHawk said:
The Jak franchise was ruined by the second installment for too many reasons for me to list in one post in a thread about the infinitely better Going Commando.

I've never agreed with another post on GAF more than I do this one. Anihawk for Pres.
 
I loved Jak II, the only bits that were annoying where the in between missions bits, otherwise, there was plenty of variety and polish. I don't get the hate.

I love both series.
 
Magicpaint said:
I loved Jak II, the only bits that were annoying where the in between missions bits, otherwise, there was plenty of variety and polish. I don't get the hate.

I love both series.
Jep
 
if you like Ratchet Going Commando you should get the third ratchet game too (Up Your Arsenal?) but avoid Ratchet Deadlocked... it's ugly and i can't even believe it's made by the same people who made going commando
oh and if i can i would like to join into the Jak-Hate Vagon
 
Rachets and Jaks are all quality games. You should play it. But do the Jak in order if you wish, even the story is tied together.

The first Jak is more "marioesque" in the mean it's more traditionnal with the snow level and the lava level you see. It's also kinda on seamless world like the newer Jaks.

As for Going Commando, yeah this is how you do a sequel for sure! The first Ratchet turned me off mainly because of the controls. Now Going Commando is having a real tight and awesome controls.
 
I dont understand the Deadlock hate. I played it in a rental and the game seemed just as fun. It's more heavily on the 'blow shit up' side of the equation but still pretty fun.

Also, I prefer Up Your Arsenal than Going Commando. Has craploads more upgrades than part 2
 
Kojiro said:
And I can bring you other people with a different opinion. And now? :)
What matters is that a lot of people were disappointed with the Jak & Daxter sequels, while R&C 2 and 3 was almost universally praised. I can't seem to recall anyone reacting to them as negatively as was the case with Jak II.
 
VNZ said:
What matters is that a lot of people were disappointed with the Jak & Daxter sequels, while R&C 2 and 3 was almost universally praised. I can't seem to recall anyone reacting to them as negatively as was the case with Jak II.


Jak2 was more shocking. It's normal to hear people more about it. It's rare a sequel where they touch the art/style is praised because people are attached to stuff like that from the first game in the series.
 
Wario64 said:
I dont understand the Deadlock hate. I played it in a rental and the game seemed just as fun. It's more heavily on the 'blow shit up' side of the equation but still pretty fun.

Also, I prefer Up Your Arsenal than Going Commando. Has craploads more upgrades than part 2

I think GC is kinda like the sequel Pikmin 2 is to Pikmin 1. While the first may've been fun, the second just blows you away by how awesome it is. It's kinda hard to top that transition within the series. UYA had a lot more stuff going on (and online play), but it was more expected than GC was.

However, I also like GC more for the fact that it's a better blend of platforming and action.

EDIT: And the secrets. Holy shit, the secrets.
 
I could not reccomend the game enough over the holidays.
I can't even count the number of times I sold it over people coming in and looking for Crash Bandicoot
 
Wario64 said:
I dont understand the Deadlock hate. I played it in a rental and the game seemed just as fun. It's more heavily on the 'blow shit up' side of the equation but still pretty fun.

Also, I prefer Up Your Arsenal than Going Commando. Has craploads more upgrades than part 2
It's not hate. But the online maps (even though there are more) and much of the gameplay balance is a step back from UYA. I would have been a lot happier with an UYA update with more maps, fewer glitches, and more server options.
 
Suikoguy said:
I could not reccomend the game enough over the holidays.
I can't even count the number of times I sold it over people coming in and looking for Crash Bandicoot

Haha, same here. Whenever someone comes in and asks for a good kids game on the PS2, I direct them over to R&C.

Off-topic: Yesterday this kid came in and was looking at several DS games: Super Princess Peach, Animal Crossing, and Tamagotchi. I recommended Sonic Rush, for its sheer awesomeness, and I had him test out a used copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 on our Micro (He was 10 or 11 and HAD NEVER PLAYED A SUPER MARIO BROS GAME EVER).

He left with Tamagotchi. :_(
 
AniHawk said:
The Jak franchise was ruined by the second installment for too many reasons for me to list in one post in a thread about the infinitely better Going Commando.

The Jak Series is far superior in every way to the shallow paper cut out, no plot, no character, devoid of any creativity, horrible mini games that would get a failling grade were they running on a SNES, boring, repeditive, annoying characters, annoying designs, no plot, insulting storyline, horrible game mechanics, Puzzles, made for retarded 2 year olds, Ratchet and Clank series. :o

Seriously, there's nothign in Ratchet and Clank worthy of mention aside from the COntra in 3D aspect, everything in the game is shallow, retarded, and annoying. The Jak series at least tries with little things like character, depth, level and world design (this is big one) and gameplay.

Ratchet and Clank is an example of everything that's wrong with video games today. =|
 
AniHawk said:
Haha, same here. Whenever someone comes in and asks for a good kids game on the PS2, I direct them over to R&C.

Off-topic: Yesterday this kid came in and was looking at several DS games: Super Princess Peach, Animal Crossing, and Tamagotchi. I recommended Sonic Rush, for its sheer awesomeness, and I had him test out a used copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 on our Micro (He was 10 or 11 and HAD NEVER PLAYED A SUPER MARIO BROS GAME EVER).

He left with Tamagotchi. :_(
Lol non-games




But seriously, track that kid down and beat the smack out of him. Never played a Mario game? What the fuck is that?
 
WordAssassin said:
Lol non-games




But seriously, track that kid down and beat the smack out of him. Never played a Mario game? What the fuck is that?
His two choices he was trying so hard to decide were Tamagotchi or Super Princess Peach. :(

I demonstrated the first level of SMB3 for him. As in, how you should hold the B button down and hit A with the side of your thumb to jump and keep flying when you have the racoon tail. He just couldn't get it.
 
Too late.

Ratchet and Clank sucks, you only enjoy those games if you're a baby killer, repent now. =|
 
Ok, I just recently broke and bought a PS2 (October 2005) along with SotC, ICO, and Katamari Damacy. I'm really interested in both the Ratchet and Jak series because I LOVE platformers/action games. (Fuck that kid who's never played Mario)

Which series should I go for? All the games in each trilogy are like $15-20 now, right? Should I just blow a huge gamer wad and buy all six? If this thread is gonna turn into some kind of stupid battle, then have it be a battle with actual stakes.

Sell me, GAF, one way or the other: R&C, or J&D?

Edit: It would have atleast been a start if you'd sold him Super Pincess Peach, but seriously, what a tragically misguided youth.
 
WordAssassin said:
Ok, I just recently broke and bought a PS2 (October 2005) along with SotC, ICO, and Katamari Damacy. I'm really interested in both the Ratchet and Jak series because I LOVE platformers/action games. (Fuck that kid who's never played Mario)

Which series should I go for? All the games in each trilogy are like $15-20 now, right? Should I just blow a huge gamer wad and buy all six? If this thread is gonna turn into some kind of stupid battle, then have it be a battle with actual stakes.

Sell me, GAF, one way or the other: R&C, or J&D?

Edit: It would have atleast been a start if you'd sold him Super Pincess Peach, but seriously, what a tragically misguided youth.

It's not a "or" it's a "and". Both are quality series of platform adventuring awesomeness.
I would advise you to take Rachet 3 (as awesome as the second one but more complete) and Jak 2 (best overall in the series) but if you want to shell more money you might as well buy all of them. (Well maybe not Rachet1, be aware of the "car-ish" controls of the main character --- for me it killed the game.)
 
WordAssassin said:
Ok, I just recently broke and bought a PS2 (October 2005) along with SotC, ICO, and Katamari Damacy. I'm really interested in both the Ratchet and Jak series because I LOVE platformers/action games. (Fuck that kid who's never played Mario)

Which series should I go for? All the games in each trilogy are like $15-20 now, right? Should I just blow a huge gamer wad and buy all six? If this thread is gonna turn into some kind of stupid battle, then have it be a battle with actual stakes.

Sell me, GAF, one way or the other: R&C, or J&D?

Edit: It would have atleast been a start if you'd sold him Super Pincess Peach, but seriously, what a tragically misguided youth.

R&C: Platforming game with action
R&C: GC: Action Platformer
R&C: UYA: Action game with platforming
R&C: Deadlocked: Action game

Jak & Daxter: Platformer
Jak II: GTA wannabe with platforming tossed in
Jak 3: see above
Jak X: Racing game

The R&C series is better suited for platforming tastes. The first three are really good, and I do recommend them all, but the platforming becomes less in less as the series goes on.

Jak is good for its first game. It's an above-average collectathon platformer.

Though if you want a good, solid, forgotten platformer on the PS2, go with Klonoa 2.
 
WordAssassin said:
Which series should I go for? All the games in each trilogy are like $15-20 now, right? Should I just blow a huge gamer wad and buy all six? If this thread is gonna turn into some kind of stupid battle, then have it be a battle with actual stakes.

You really can't go wrong either way, but I say Jak series. I thought it was a better level design (R+C's level design is by far it's weakest link IMO), more challenge (in II, the first one is really easy), better story. Jak II is definitely a love/hate thing, though, I really enjoyed the challenging action/platforming, the length (it's 25 hours plus), the story, and the level design. In the end, I would say buy all six for like 100 bucks and knock yourself out.
EDIT: Avoid Jak X though, not so great.

And yes Going Commando is a great sequel to R+C one, far superior.
 
Haven't played any of the Jak's yet(and seeing as how I still have about 15 unplayed games it may take awhile).

But RC 1 and 2 are cool. I'd recommend one first as it kind of eases you into it. GC just throws you right into the mix. And there's a couple jokes that are a little better if you've played the first.

Another great point about part 2 is the nods it gives to a fun little movie series. It refs fucking CRITTERS! I've never seen Critters nod in a game before.
 
RnC series is a great example of how platforming action games should be, RnC3 especially... the story's humorous (Courtney Gears), silly jokes here and there, there's a bunch of different aspects to it to keep things fresh (huge Clank robot battle, piloting vehicles, droping into the battle avoiding missles), mini-videogames, collecting trophies, great graphics, nice music/efx, ultra-smooth animation and framerate, and good (funny?) voice acting... and the best thing... the GAMEPLAY is spot on...

Gameplay is what makes a game, like DMC3 and GoW... and RnC has that... Jak is up there too (though i just have a personal preference to the characters in RnC)...
 
Hmm. Ok, maybe I'll pick up the first two Ratchet games (I'd get just the first but people are raving about RC2 so much how can I resist?), Jak 1, and Klonoa 2 when I get my next paycheck.

*cough*AndSuperPrincessPeach*cough*

Oh action-platformers. So fun. Where are you Mario? ;__;

It's funny that all this time I've been against a PS2, loving my GameCube and, to an extent, Xbox... and yet, there's only one Mario game on Gamecube... and like nine of them on the PS2. :(

Fortunately I waited long enough so that they're all dirt cheap! Ha-HA!
 
I thought the second R&C game, while having way more content, lost a bit of the charm of the first one in graphics. It didn't bother me much but there was definately something missing. The third one was R&C back in full force on all fronts though, I think that's the best one.
 
Wario64 said:
I dont understand the Deadlock hate.
has less weapon,less enemy, all the stage look like bland and it play like "Get to Point 1,Blow everything up using Double Vipers,Rocket Launcher (the only two weapon which seem to do any damage and have decent range...) Get to Point 2"
 
Jak is more of an adventure series, with deeper characters, narrative, and much more effort is put into crafting the world they inhabit. As a platformer game, Jak is far superior (except Jak 3, which is more geared towards vehicles and weapons) to anything ever seen in Ratchet and Clank. But even Jak 3 is a superior platformer to anythign in the Ratchet series.

Ratchet and Clank with is almost entirely geared towards your jump button and then upgrading weapons while you shoot mindless drones. Ratchet and Clank has VERY underdeveloped platforming elements, it's more so a straight up action game where you go around collecting more money to get your guns bigger. Jak 2 and 3 have guns.

Jak 1: Almost entirely a platformer exploration item hunting game, lush environments, highly impressive graphics for a first gen PS2 game and even now (aside from polygon counts).

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=1754&pl=game&type=mov

Jak 2: Takes the game into a GTA esque sort of mold, but it keeps the platforming elements. One aspect that is VERY appealling about this entry is that you revisit locations multiple times, but with a new ability the scope and feel of the level FEELS different and plays out differently it's a real treat. Incredibly well done graphics, very well done characters and world. I cannot state enough how well designed the levels are.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=1755&pl=game&type=mov

Jak 3: Jak 3 takes the series away from platforming a bit (though it still has more than say anyRatchet and Clank game and is better developed)and moves it more towards driving and guning sequences.The games does make use of some mini game sequences that are almost Ratchet and Clank worthy of deritiveness. However, overall, this is still a very very solid entry.

Jak X: A pure racing game, better than Mario Kart imo.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=7509&pl=game&type=mov

The thing is, what you're getting with Ratchet and Clank, is not platforming at all, there are some undercooked elements of it in there, but like the puzzles in the game, they take the cognitive ability of a 2 year old to pull off. What you get when you play R&C up to 3 at least I haven't played 4, is a shooting game, 3 slightly tweaked and then improved rehashes of the same thing, with dull humor, dull character designs, very very undercooked level design and any other element in the game is barely worth even mentioning. You essentially get modes where you fight ships in your fighter, nowhere does this even approach the vision that of something like StarFox, nowhere can you even see any compitent mechanics built in to make it any fun, it's a mini games designed like the rest of the game, not on imagination or skills, but on having your guns bigger then theirs.

If you're going to get any R&C game just get one, you aren't missing anything in the other two that you won't get in just one. They're ok rentals, but really nothing memorable.
 
Going Commando is definitely the pinnacle of the series. Even though I enjoyed UYA, the single player campaign wasn't even a third the length (and especially the quality) of Going Commando, and I can only assume this was sacrificed for the multiplayer aspect (not a good tradeoff at all). I just felt terribly let down.

I enjoyed Deadlocked a bit more, because I wasn't expecting a "proper" R&C. Oh, and the weapons in the game are amazing (Scorpion Flail = best weapon ever).
 
Ok, hmm. Maybe I'll just pick up Ratchet 1, Jak 1, Klonoa 2, and SPP. Four games for $60-70 isn't too bad.

Now a kinda off-topic concern. My PS2 is at my parent's house because they have TVs. At my house... I do not have a TV, but I have a computer... is there some kind of cable that lets you plug a PS2 into a computer monitor?
 
WordAssassin said:
Ok, hmm. Maybe I'll just pick up Ratchet 1, Jak 1, Klonoa 2, and SPP. Four games for $60-70 isn't too bad.

Now a kinda off-topic concern. My PS2 is at my parent's house because they have TVs. At my house... I do not have a TV, but I have a computer... is there some kind of cable that lets you plug a PS2 into a computer monitor?

don't forget Maximo! Best pure platformer on the PS2.
 
There were relatively few games this gen I even replayed again, but after finishing a Ratchet and Clank game I would fire up a new game as soon as I finished. Just so inventive and so much fun.
 
WordAssassin said:
Oh shit!

Anyone else wanna weigh-in on Maximo before I add it to my list?

Great if you have patience (you need to learn the levels and conserve lives) and want some really challenging platforming. I really enjoyed it, I would buy it.
 
GitarooMan said:
Great if you have patience (you need to learn the levels and conserve lives) and want some really challenging platforming. I really enjoyed it, I would buy it.
Sweet..

Now, is it platforming in the style of Mario 64/Sunshine/Billy Hatcher, or say... Prince of Persia/SotC/ICO?
 
R&C 1-3 deserve all the love they're getting. Start with part 1 because the other 2 up the ante quite a bit in terms of abilities and carnage. The leveling up, infinite lives, tons of items and unlockables bring the fun back to platforming, without irritation, unlike Mario Sunshine.

Maximo1&2 deserve a huge nod as well, but they are definitely more geared towards seasoned action/platform gamers. Not impossible by any means, but definitely tougher than R&C. Don't misinterpret me though, they are both wonderful games!
 
I own all the Ratchet games and love them. I enjoyed one per a year but in retrospect I really wish they didn't do that. Having a ratchet game every year burned me out and really made my enjoyment of the series less than it could be. If Nintendo released a true full blown console Mario and Zelda game each year my interest in both series would not be as strong

If say they released Ratchet and than GC when Deadlock came out it would be much more fun for me dealing with that hype and giving the dev's a long time to really make it stand out from R&C.
 
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