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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
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CornBurrito
Member
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for EVERYONE who has that list to spill the beans. But Czartim claims he has a one shot power. He's now just a regular townie. Why not post all the names he got during the one night he used his power?
CornBurrito
Member
Nevermind I'm a moron... I forgot it works both ways. The only people you see roam the halls are other PR.
It is late and I need sleep. Gnight.
It is late and I need sleep. Gnight.
Considering I saw salva, and he had a non-1-shot PR, how does this help?
I don't think I should say, considering CzarTim is directly across from me.
CornBurrito
Member
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
That's fine, by let me just say this: If for example you, or any other hope power role were to have walked across the hallway of you CzarTim and myself the last two nights, and never even touched the the top above hallway, then that name would theoretically be confirmed hope, RIGHT?
I'm not asking you to give me a nave, just that as long as you are alive you keep a personal tally of people you come across if such a situation were to occur, finding Hope is just as important and finding Despair after all.
I don't follow. Why would not going to the top row be confirmed town? Scum almost assuredly have non killing roles.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
sandalphon
Member
I was addressing the reason why I saw Crab to be of more value to Hope than kgtrep. To me, he's been giving a load of invaluable tips and guideline, and even to many others, as proven on how a few of us took up his opinions on a number of his reads (for example, Barrylocke).
What did you take it as?
You had a single vote even when there was a duel going on. I think that maybe said something. Additionally, a few posters have been calling your name as their suspicious names, and this was what I was referring to, not simply just votes.
Here are the links, as per your request:
- No. 795 - My first reads on all players, incidentally the first thorough player analysis in the game
- No. 1728 - My second reads on all players.
- No. 1784 - Splinter was left behind on my Day 2 reads.
- No. 1806 - My response to kgtrep's Scene 2 and 3, and a line of inquiry at Crab's in-game mannerism.
- No. 2040 - An analysis and some defense for some of my game play, thus far.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Before I head out myself, I just want to bring up something that just came to me from looking at the map. Say for example Pau went to Kalor for some reason, and Makai did the same to king kitty. Because we know that someone will always the the shortest path, they would never notice that they left their respective rooms, right?
Scumtell, of course. If you are town, you are a weirdly obsessed fan. You literally said Crab is your mentor and you were scouring Crab's posts to make sure you didn't fail him again.
So, you want Crab to tell you what to do because you're a new player and don't want to make any more misakes. Oops! Crab flipped and he's scum. But you were only following his lead because you were impressed with his experience, right?
sandalphon
Member
I believe Crab is Hope, though. His extensive analysis helps Hope side a fair bit, in my opinion. Do you disagree?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Okay, this really IS the last thing before I go: Regardless of this whole map nonsense, I do have a suspicion on someone that is based on traditional mafia play. More to come assuming no other crazy revelations occur.
You mean his extensive moaning about how we're all idiots and should just do what he says? He convinced one person, at least.
sandalphon
Member
Made me laugh. You are good people, Makai.
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Really? Do I have to go back and carefully analyse all 500 of your posts? I didn't even think fight club was anything beyond you trolling us
This is... interesting though. Did you see Makai? He is right across the hall from you, and there's no harm in revealing thise if he already claimed right? He's either Hope PR or Despair, and Despair already know which
Actually this seems a little fishy... How does Debater translate to one shot cop? What's your flavour text like?
The flavor texts haven't made that much sense. Franconp was ultimate pancake flipper, kgtrep was affluent progeny and Salva was troublemaker. Only one of those is in the Danganronpa games.
Yeah but troublemaker switching name tags makes sense. I can't see much connection for Debator - Cop
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
FYI, I'm making up the ordinary student names when they die.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I get the feeling you're making up more than that as you go along
I'm retconning everything tho
Wait, then who is Super-Duper Level High School Hayden Christensen?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
The 24th student
Zippedpinhead
Member
I was actually just about to ask that as I saw Hagi was the "super high-school level martial artist"
Interesting... I'm assuming that's all the information out of those names that you will give us right? That you are making them up when we die?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
There's no additional reasoning behind ordinary student names, it's just flavor
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Okay, so, interesting. I think it is almost guaranteed Despair have silent/untrackable/ninja kills. Assuming about a quarter of Hope have roles which target which, while partially Figures From My Ass, is also partially because I tell game designers to do that, the chance that the Despair killer would seen at least once is insanely high, and essentially makes every town PR a sort of watcher, which would be crazy overpowered. If the killer was findable, the logical play for every PR becomes to target the person the furthest away from them and reveal anyone who crossed their path if the person killed that night was on the wrong side of that path. It would become very easy for town very quickly.
However, I would definitely *not* assume that everyone you meet at night is town, because making all the town PRs able to identify and clear each other, even if they can't necessarily be open about it, is *also* crazy overpowered. My guess is that Despair power roles that aren't the killer are indeed visible just so that Hope PRs don't have such strong information regarding alignments of those they meet.
A consequence of that is that Despair can find power roles by bumping into them - which would explain how Salva was found as a target so quickly. Czar, you say you bumped into Salva and a number of other players. Assuming that those players also bumped into Salva, and no group outside of those players bumped into Salva, I think it is *very* probable one of those players is a Despair PR.
Alternatively, you are a Despair PR. I am interested to see what AbsolutBro was referring to, so I'll abstain from further comment just for now.
However, I would definitely *not* assume that everyone you meet at night is town, because making all the town PRs able to identify and clear each other, even if they can't necessarily be open about it, is *also* crazy overpowered. My guess is that Despair power roles that aren't the killer are indeed visible just so that Hope PRs don't have such strong information regarding alignments of those they meet.
A consequence of that is that Despair can find power roles by bumping into them - which would explain how Salva was found as a target so quickly. Czar, you say you bumped into Salva and a number of other players. Assuming that those players also bumped into Salva, and no group outside of those players bumped into Salva, I think it is *very* probable one of those players is a Despair PR.
Alternatively, you are a Despair PR. I am interested to see what AbsolutBro was referring to, so I'll abstain from further comment just for now.
The exchange between Goshu and Makai was not only very entertaining (seriously, this is why I love Mafia, you two are such different people, you had me in stitches!) but, it also makes me more sure about my vote on Makai. He has pegged two players as Despair that I think are Hope, for now anyway (Goshu and Crab).
CornBurrito
Member
That doesn't really make him Despair.
Especially since his reasoning isn't bad at all.
Absolutely, my vote isn't a hard one (yet). But it's this coupled with other things that I've outlined before that make me wary at the very least. For now, he's at the top of my list, even though there are others on my radar too (like Zipped).
Yeah, based on what people have said about the night stuff then that would be correct.
I feel like the information that some people get when passing people won't be useful until tomorrow or the next day. Once/if patterns are established then it will become more useful.
Paraphrasing but essentially I can choose one person to argue with, and I'm so amazing at it they break down and reveal their true colors. I just assumed this was a game thing, I have no idea.
I drew this conclusion too, but I'm not sure how to handle the info at this stage without outing everyone. It's possible that, because salva was a switcher and visited two rooms, he was on most if not everyone's list. Which is why I was hoping to keep everyone's name a secret for now. Who knows how much the mafia know at this point. I was even hesitating clearing AB since I saw him and didn't want to paint a target on his back as a confirmed townie.
Once again I'd encourage everyone to keep quiet about their role (why do I even have to say this).
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Why does that matter?
Zippedpinhead
Member
I think at this point we have to make an assumption on how scum will work. They will either have one person submit all their kills (and have this person be a scum member without a night time action, and then this one person would seemingly have no power) and then they can claim innocence on all their abilities. This is good assuming that we have a role that can see who is in a given room at night, and would be the only way to "catch a killer" in the act. This would limit our effectiveness on using fight club to our advantage.
The other option (which has been the way scum have operated so far) is to switch up the killer every night. It gives plausible deniability against the previous watcher ability, but opens up more liability to movement and switchers. I see no reason to doubt that scum have stuck to this the first few nights, especially since they might get different information back.
I'm just thinking on how this could work since I'm not allowed to join things we can't talk about...
That being said, if you stop seeing someone in the group we aren't allowed to talk about, and previously you had always seen them... Then you might have something...
One final thought, if you walk past three people both nights and first night on of them died, and the second night another one dies... Then you might have something there as well. Czartim remember, these scum can talk on an offsite board so what one person sees we have to assume they all see it.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Are we back? It looks like we're back.
I think an untraceable Despair killer for every night makes the room mechanic kind of... useless? If there is an untraceable killer or PR, maybe it's more limited? The idea of different killers every night makes more sense to me, but we'd need more nights to confirm.
At least, I don't think every Despair leaves their room at night so we can still talk about voting for other people. Hope is working off limited information, and there's only so much we can say this early, but I think it's better than trying to kill potential Hope rule breakers/outing their powers or not using a lynch at all.
Of course, now there's a target on three of our backs (and I assume I'm the most likely just because I'm the only one I'm sure is Hope). Hopefully AbsolutBro and CzarTim (and any others) are actually on our team.
If there is an untraceable killer or PR, maybe it's more limited? The idea of different killers every night makes more sense to me, but we'd need more nights to confirm. At least, I don't think every Despair leaves their room at night so we can still talk about voting for other people. Hope is working off limited information, and there's only so much we can say this early, but I think it's better than trying to kill potential Hope rule breakers/outing their powers or not using a lynch at all.
Of course, now there's a target on three of our backs (and I assume I'm the most likely just because I'm the only one I'm sure is Hope
). Hopefully AbsolutBro and CzarTim (and any others) are actually on our team.Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Actually, it would make sense for there to be a ninja. That way there would be a guaranteed player we have to vote out using regular means and not rely on the map.I think an untraceable Despair killer for every night makes the room mechanic kind of... useless?
At least, I don't think every Despair leaves their room at night so we can still talk about voting for other people. Hope is working off limited information, and there's only so much we can say this early, but I think it's better than trying to kill potential Hope rule breakers/outing their powers or not using a lynch at all.
Of course, now there's a target on three of our backs (and I assume I'm the most likely just because I'm the only one I'm sure is Hope
I think an untraceable Despair killer for every night makes the room mechanic kind of... useless?
I think if there is an untraceable killer, it might be a role connected to one despair. Kind of what we had in Animal Crossing mafia, where only one mafia had the ability to send in a silent kill. I don't think the room mechanic is useless, other despair might have their own night abilities which requires them to move around.
Yea I mean it's a given the mafia have some sort of way to circumvent that stuff. Until we see a flip though it's hard to say what that is and it's probably too easy to put the puzzle pieces together. I feel like today our best bet is to go back to scum hunting but it's hard to do that when half of town is barely posting.
Right, I mean, I don't think every night kill will be done by a ninja/untraceable killer. I could definitely be wrong. Was the AC silent killer able to be used every night? (I don't know why I'm not just asking Kark who's sitting next to me.
)But I'll still consider people I cross as potential killers.
I feel like it's also particularly hard for (known) Fight Club members to get that discussion started. :/
Yeah I mean this is why I dislike this kind of mechanic, it adds an extra layer of knowledge that some townies have to dance around while others have no idea what's going on. Since we don't know what the counter is it's hard to say what information we have is important or not. I agree it will probably come into play at some point, but I don't know how.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
GAF going down definitely didn't help any, that's for sure.
Speaking of, anyone know why?
Speaking of, anyone know why?
Really, Crab? I refuse to believe you of all people can't surmise the answer. Once again, you're trying to drag out information about my role, but you're not getting it. You get my role name and nothing else. Terrabyte and Crab want to extract a very specific piece of information from me - does my role wander the halls? Of the two power roles who have flipped, one wandered the halls and one didn't. Any answer given would greatly narrow down what my role is, sooo...nope! Not telling.
I can understand Terrabyte thinking it was a foregone conclusion that I'm in Fight Club, but Crab knows better. If you really are town, Crab, then you should get off my back about the details of my role because it's none of your business. I agree with CzarTim - spilling the beans on who you pass in the hall is a huge mistake at this point. I am taking his advice and keeping my mouth closed about Night 1.