What's funny is that even the 'A-team' Bloodborne has it's share of flaws as well, but certain individuals do not want to hear it. The fact of the matter is that none of these games are perfect and have various things that affect some more than others. Yet by the same token, they are all still utterly fantastic games.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin |OT| Your weapons are weak, old man
- Thread starter VisceralBowl
- Start date
What's funny is that even the 'A-team' Bloodborne has it's share of flaws as well, but certain individuals do not want to hear it. The fact of the matter is that none of these games are perfect and have various things that affect some more than others. Yet by the same token, they are all still utterly fantastic games.
Attleborotaco
Member
So how different is the DX11 version compared to the original DS2? Is it worth a purchase?
Well its pretty evident they did make more than one game at once. In fact they were making at least 3 at once (including Armored Core: Verdict Day).
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
It's basically Dark Souls II The Lost Levels. Everything is remixed. I'd say it's very worth it. Plus all the DLC is inbuilt.
duck_sauce
Gold Member
Atmosphere, sound, lore and graphics, yes Bloodborne is superior. Customisation, discovere and experimentation with class builds....Dark Souls 2 wins by a landslide.
Arived at the Dragon Aerie......great landscape.
To be honest, play them both. Just start with one or the other.
Just make sure that you actually play both. And Demon's Souls if you still have time.
The C-Team clearly made Bloodborne given the arcade like combat and the lack of variety in builds, not to mention the chalice dungeons which feel like they were just tacked on to add filler.
Miyazaki wouldn't make a game like that.
Jeffolation
Banned
Trying to resist the temptation to pick this up as I'd like to finish BB first but things are not looking good. :/
Most people will tell you to play Dark Souls 1 first. I don't think it matters that much. People say that because they *already* played DS1 first and thus found DS2 disappointing in some respects, despite it improving on the formula in some ways. I have a hunch that if you played DS2 first, there'd be a good chance that it wouldn't be disappointing at all and that DS1 might not seem as great either if played afterwards. DS1 has a fair amount of flaws that people are just less aggressive in talking about.
You wouldn't go wrong with either, though. Pick which one is most available/cheapest or whatever, I guess.
OboroShogun
Banned
DS2 to me will have longer legs than Bloodborne without some form of DLC just due to the nature of the multiplayer and the larger variety of weapons.
Hate to post this again, but, it explains my thoughts exactly (from a PvE perspective at least) and much more eloquently - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
And my bro Martyrs explains perfectly why the PvP is flawed as a result - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5olH7ibNjHA
And my bro Martyrs explains perfectly why the PvP is flawed as a result - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5olH7ibNjHA
Bloodborne will have DLC. I liked both but I am not sure if the variety of weapons in DS2 is really that great since you only ever see people using a handful of them. Also I am not sure if I can go back to DS1 or DS2 for pvp since it's nothing but backstab spam.
At least the multiplayer is not broken.
You're telling people who have played the game in question already, to watch youtube videos to get the "right" opinion of the game? Yeah... You're assuming that people don't already know the flaws of the game.
I'm going to take a random guess at what those videos cover:
PvE:
Lack of interconnected world.
Tons of bonfires.
Too many stats.
Nonsensical geography(Lava-lake above mountain)
Most of the bosses are human-like. (While this is true, I find it hilarious that people don't point out Bloodbourne has the same problem with big creature enemies, one of them is literally a blown up version of a common enemy even).
Poise is broken, and as such most heavy armor is pointless.
Broken hitboxes
PvP:
Because poise is broken, people get stun-locked easily. Also, the way blow trading works, no matter how slow your swing is, you and the enemy will trade blows if you attack at the same time, making longer heavier hitting weapons have an advantage, hurting build variety in PVP. Bloodbourne has FAR worse pvp, on the other hand
Did I get it mostly right? Because despite all that I still think Dark Souls 2 is a great game.
Spiritreaver
Member
Yeeeah.
Last night I tried to play with a friend in Bloodborne. It worked alright but it would take 5-10 minutes to connect to each other. It was really a pain in the ass if either one of us died. We even had to redo the bell ringing twice and restart PS4s once.
The entire time we never got invaded either.
Pretty much killed any interest I had in that game's longevity through multiplayer.
Mr. Poolman
Member
I hope the D team handles Dark Souls 3, they will add dicks to every monster. It will be terrifying.
SuicidalSteve
Member
The hell with these guys criticizing the game. It's their opinion after all. But to me I am enjoying the hell out of this game and i went in completely blind when i got it on ps4
I have sat there for nearly an hour on a couple of occasions for co-op. And for invasions the lag is awful when it does work. I would say that it is half working at best. The Souls series system destroys it. Just no comparison.
Bloodborne's pvp is better but the connection system is worse. I really do miss summon signs.
Do you have local set for multiplayer or Worldwide? Worldwide can make you encounter some terrible lag sometimes. Wish it was easier to get the Co-op's and invasions going in Bloodborne but they made them super opt in this time. Summon signs were the superior system even if they wouldn't fit the games theme.
My opinion, as well. The more Souls games the merrier!
Not all of it no. But I don't find BB PvP to be any worse than DSII, although my fav is still Demon's.
Bloodbourne's pvp doesn't have the pvp covenants(well there are covenants, but they suck), has healing that's waaaay too easy, and lacks build variety. I haven't lost a match of Bloobourne PVP either and I still find it tedious.
Demon's? I didn't find Demon's PVP interesting really. DS 1 PVP after all the patches was the best.
Did it go away? I would say lifegems are completely different from blood vials but either way DS2 was balanced around lifegems so they fit great in that game. I liked how they let you play longer since you didn't need to refill your flask as often.
DS1 and 2 both use pretty much the same builds unless you are trolling. Sorry healing in DS1 and 2 were easy as well with DS1 you could pop humanities for an easy heal and for DS2 high level gems could heal pretty quickly as well. Most of the loss of speed for BB comes from back stabs being pretty much gone. I will agree that the covenants are shitty though wish they would have copied DS2 with the arena's.
I have tried on both. After switching to worldwide I managed to get it to work a couple of times, but then it went to shit again. I just dropped the multiplayer and am enjoying it by myself. Hell, I was only invaded one time in over 60 hours as well.
You didn't play during the heydays then! Had some amazing fight clubs.
I suppose I didn't, played demons after DS 1, afterall.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I like Dark Souls 2 a lot more than Dark Souls 1. /shrug
DS2 is anything but a cash grab. The amount of content in this game is staggering, the combat mechanics and build diversity are better than DS1, and while I haven't finished the game I've read that no areas reach the lows that some DS1 areas do (Lost Izalith yuck).
It may have been a better game had Miyazaki been involved, but it's the farthest thing from a cash grab. It's a legitimate attempt to create a good sequel, and I think it succeeded for the most part. Plus every franchise needs to branch out from its original creator sooner or later. Resident Evil is no longer a Mikami game, BioShock is no longer a Levine game, and MGS will no longer be a Kojima game after MGSV (that last one really hurts, though).
The Jackdog
Member
Same here. I've been told numerous times on gaf that my opinion is "wrong"
Repost -
All of those franchises will drastically suffer (RE anyone?) with the loss of Mikami, and will surely suffer with the loss of Levine/Kojima.
Miyazaki just creates more compelling worlds. BB's enemy design, level design, bosses etc.. just shit on DS2 from a great height. Having said that, that is okay. DS2 is still a very good game in its own right. Not every game needs an auteur. DS3 by the second team without Miyazaki would turn out to be better than most games so it is not a great tragedy.
Who am I kidding? MGS without Kojima is going to suck..
Umm, no I'm not trolling. Like, in DS2 you're at a severe disadvantage if you're using a short weapon two-hand, but my best PVP character in DS1 used a 2H falchion with the wolf ring so I could actually take a hit without getting stun-locked, so yeah there was better build variety, and no I was not the guy who fished for back stabs. That aside, you could stun people in DS1 and DS2 until they're dead or lose most of their health if they make a fatal mistake(like trying to heal), you can't do that in Bloodbourne; every hit can be dodged out of. And Blood vials are even quicker use than humanity.
Yeah DS2 is definitely not a cash grab. It is a solid game and is up there with the other souls games.
Sorry no I don't mean trolling here I meant builds purely for trolling like the acid cloud stuff. You can punish blood vials in BB as well it's just timing based instead of stun locking.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Go for it. From Software action RPGs are all fantastic and all offer the same sense of dread and amazing fullfillment when you beat a boss.
See you until then.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Bloodborne is faster.
DS2 has more weapon and armor variety but is more methodical.
Give it a shot
Cool, Thx bud, gonna grab it when i get home from work. Love that sense of accomplishment in overcoming bosses and hard obstacles.
At a certain point the durability bug just needs to be called a game feature. If it got through multiple ports intact I doubt they ever intend to do the work to get rid of it.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
To be very honest with you... Start with Dark Souls 2. It's a lot more accessible than DS1, and since it just launched it has a pretty active online community which means easier co-op when things start to get challenging.
I liked the first half of DS1 but the second half took a nosedive quality-wise. You can't go wrong with it either, but I just feel like DS2 is a better entry point into the series.
Ya I noticed that, was watching a stream last night. I think I would actually really enjoy it. ThxBloodborne is faster.
DS2 has more weapon and armor variety but is more methodical.
Give it a shot
Similar threads
- Locked