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So this female international intern at my company who has been there for about 2 months or so asked me to go to Lunch with her because she doesnt know when her term their as an intern will end.

We scheduled for next Wednesday, lets see how this works out. Not really into her in that way, but would like to "do stuff".
 
So I guess if you shoot for the moon ... blah blah ( I never understood that saying though, since the moon is the closest thing to earth)

Anyway GAF. So I kind of did a last second "Hail Mary" attempt at salvaging the connection with this girl.

I had a long ass conversation with her yesterday again on Gchat. I almost convinced her to go to Seattle with me, she felt bad that she couldn't. (was kinda bad, now I think about it, since I said "it's better we wont go" )

She was definitely in a way better mood now that she found (got the) job she wanted.

She started today, I texted her this morning, wished her Good luck, she texted me back a "Thanks :)" an hour and half later ( better than the cold treatment I've been getting the last three days before it)

I texted her once more, a little earlier saying "hope you had a good first day at your new job"

She replied back, but in very short words.... "Yeah was good, how was your day."

Very dry replies that take at least ten minutes to return.

So anyway, looks like I am in the friendzone.

Having said this, I set up another "date" with her tomorrow, we are just going to go for a walk by the beach here and as a "third" date try to get to know each other more (The whole reason she didn't want to leave the country and go to Seattle with me was because "We only gone out twice")

So yeah I am pretty excited about this "second chance" or "third date" if we want to call this any of those things. I think it's none of those really, and I am not getting any hopes high.

My question to Dating GAF ... She kinda ran off when she saw me being too pushy, that much we learned.. yet she still likes my company, she thinks I'm fun.. She hasn't officially frienszoned me yet, never used any of those cliche 'Think we shoudl just be friends" bs yet, but I can easily see her saying that tomorrow during our walk and talk ..
Since we are walking in the park, since she loves chivalry and white wine ...

I am thinking we can walk and talk, I should take a blanky with me, back pack with some snacks (cheese, fruit) and a bottle or two of wine with me, after we walk, maybe sit and enjoy wine...

Would this be okay you guys think? Or seem like I am not taking any notes and being pushy again? the intention of wine and the makeshift picnic I will not make it so romantic as just relaxing, as in something more than just a walk, walk and a sit down, camp etc. To give a little variety to the night.

What do you guys say?



Another thing, this may come off as too douchy from me, but I really want to address her change of attitude as of late, (The don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining situation) I want to get the truth out of her. I really want to put her on the spot by questioning her with questions like.

"Did you have a long conversation with your bestie/roomie about me? She (who hasn't met me yet, has no clue who I am) recommended you slow down or even cut text messaging/communicating with me? .. I mean c'mon, you were the one that couldn't leave me alone with Snap chats multiple times a day, text messages all day and phone calls, all a sudden you went dark on me and now you barely respond to the two texts I sent you per day, what happened here? Your sudden change of attitude isn't exactly subtle for me to brush it off and not question it, is there something you'd like to tell me? "

I feel like "confronting" her exactly with those words, is that a bad idea GAF?
If you only knew how bubbly and responsive she was with her communication before this week.. my curiosity about it wouldn't sound as aggressive and douchy.
 
So I guess if you shoot for the moon ... blah blah ( I never understood that saying though, since the moon is the closest thing to earth)

Anyway GAF. So I kind of did a last second "Hail Mary" attempt at salvaging the connection with this girl.

What do you guys say?

whoops only the third date? Just relax and have a good time. No need to do anything crazy or over plan it.
 
Johnny - I'd say no grand gestures. The last time you tried to inject "romance," it didn't go over too well. If you're going to take a walk on the beach, a heavy backpack is going to be blatantly obvious. What I'd suggest is simply pre-researching a few wine bars nearby so that, if things are going well, you can suggest heading there after you're about done with the walk.

She might love chivalry, but there's also something to be said for treating this like a third date, since that's what it is.
 
Johnny - I'd say no grand gestures. The last time you tried to inject "romance," it didn't go over too well. If you're going to take a walk on the beach, a heavy backpack is going to be blatantly obvious. What I'd suggest is simply pre-researching a few wine bars nearby so that, if things are going well, you can suggest heading there after you're about done with the walk.

She might love chivalry, but there's also something to be said for treating this like a third date, since that's what it is.

Good advice right there. You don't want to scare her away by doing something massive. Hell, if I were in your shoes, I'd play this as a first date and let it redevelop as time goes on. If she shows renewed interest, cool, it gives way to another date. But I'd be playing hard to get and have her prove/show to me that she wants more from it.
 
I feel like "confronting" her exactly with those words, is that a bad idea GAF?
If you only knew how bubbly and responsive she was with her communication before this week.. my curiosity about it wouldn't sound as aggressive and douchy.

No, don't confront her. You'll only turn her off. Just go out and have a good time.
 
This girl I'm supposed to meet tomorrow keeps calling me "dude". Have I been friendzoned already?

It just seems to me a term you use when referring to a friend...
 
She started today, I texted her this morning, wished her Good luck, she texted me back a "Thanks :)" an hour and half later ( better than the cold treatment I've been getting the last three days before it)

I texted her once more, a little earlier saying "hope you had a good first day at your new job"

She replied back, but in very short words.... "Yeah was good, how was your day."

Very dry replies that take at least ten minutes to return.
You are overinvested in her replies. Texting is not live communication. She might be busy, she might not be the right state of mind to come up with a response, she might be talking to friends and doesn't want to check her phone. It doesn't matter. You agonizing over the amount of time it takes her to reply only hurts you. De-invest yourself from this and take more time before you check and reply yourself. This is NOT to make this a "game" of who makes the other wait the longest, but rather to make yourself less invested and anxious over her texting and response time. Go do something else and stop checking all the time.

Another thing, this may come off as too douchy from me, but I really want to address her change of attitude as of late, (The don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining situation) I want to get the truth out of her. I really want to put her on the spot by questioning her with questions like.

"Did you have a long conversation with your bestie/roomie about me? She (who hasn't met me yet, has no clue who I am) recommended you slow down or even cut text messaging/communicating with me? .. I mean c'mon, you were the one that couldn't leave me alone with Snap chats multiple times a day, text messages all day and phone calls, all a sudden you went dark on me and now you barely respond to the two texts I sent you per day, what happened here? Your sudden change of attitude isn't exactly subtle for me to brush it off and not question it, is there something you'd like to tell me? "

I feel like "confronting" her exactly with those words, is that a bad idea GAF?
If you only knew how bubbly and responsive she was with her communication before this week.. my curiosity about it wouldn't sound as aggressive and douchy.
Do this if you definitively want to push her away. You will get a definitive answer for sure, but maybe not the one you want.
 
So I guess if you shoot for the moon ... blah blah ( I never understood that saying though, since the moon is the closest thing to earth)

You really need to play it cool now. You're over analyzing and being a little needy. I feel like you're giving off a lot of red flags to her.

On your next date just keep it simple at the beach and go from there. Try to stay close and make physical contact, make it clear that you are interested in being romantic with her. But do nottt do that by gushing out and telling her how much you like her. Definitely do not question her on her actions as of late. You're still new to each other. You don't want to make her start feeling defensive. If you start telling her how much you care and how she is acting different, it pressures her, puts her on the spot, and might make her think she isn't in to you as much as you are in to her. Maybe that is the case, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. People move at different paces. Just be happy with her, show her who you are, get to know her and see how it goes.

Don't risk making this date weird just for your personal ease of mind.
 
Finished Aziz Ansari's Modern Romance the other day. Might be good for those in Dating-GAF. Shows how technology has made dating even more complicated with all the choices, the texting stuff, overanalyzing, soulmates, and ultimately, it really just is about finding someone to share your shit with.
 
whoops only the third date? Just relax and have a good time. No need to do anything crazy or over plan it.

Johnny - I'd say no grand gestures. The last time you tried to inject "romance," it didn't go over too well. If you're going to take a walk on the beach, a heavy backpack is going to be blatantly obvious. What I'd suggest is simply pre-researching a few wine bars nearby so that, if things are going well, you can suggest heading there after you're about done with the walk.

She might love chivalry, but there's also something to be said for treating this like a third date, since that's what it is.

No, don't confront her. You'll only turn her off. Just go out and have a good time.

This times a million.

You are overinvested in her replies. Texting is not live communication. She might be busy, she might not be the right state of mind to come up with a response, she might be talking to friends and doesn't want to check her phone. It doesn't matter. You agonizing over the amount of time it takes her to reply only hurts you. De-invest yourself from this and take more time before you check and reply yourself. This is NOT to make this a "game" of who makes the other wait the longest, but rather to make yourself less invested and anxious over her texting and response time. Go do something else and stop checking all the time.


Do this if you definitively want to push her away. You will get a definitive answer for sure, but maybe not the one you want.

You really need to play it cool now. You're over analyzing and being a little needy. I feel like you're giving off a lot of red flags to her.

On your next date just keep it simple at the beach and go from there. Try to stay close and make physical contact, make it clear that you are interested in being romantic with her. But do nottt do that by gushing out and telling her how much you like her. Definitely do not question her on her actions as of late. You're still new to each other. You don't want to make her start feeling defensive. If you start telling her how much you care and how she is acting different, it pressures her, puts her on the spot, and might make her think she isn't in to you as much as you are in to her. Maybe that is the case, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. People move at different paces. Just be happy with her, show her who you are, get to know her and see how it goes.

Don't risk making this date weird just for your personal ease of mind.

Good advice right there. You don't want to scare her away by doing something massive. Hell, if I were in your shoes, I'd play this as a first date and let it redevelop as time goes on. If she shows renewed interest, cool, it gives way to another date. But I'd be playing hard to get and have her prove/show to me that she wants more from it.


OK, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU GUYS FOR THE GREAT ADVICE AND SUPPORT IN HERE. The only reason this thing with this lady is still has a pulse is because of you guys, when I called her and said "Sorry if I've been a little douchy lately and I think I handled the invitation to Seattle weekend very poorly, I don't think I gave you a chance to tell me if you really want to go or not? I was a tad bit too pushy, and I think it's best if we don't do this weekend together as planned" this shit got her right back into my trust zone.. Thanks to you guys.. But then I fucked it all up by asking her again to come with me a day or two later, haha.


Anyway really good advice here, I am not gonna confront her about her cold shoulder of late, Nathan Drake that's a really good way to look at it, as in this is a "Do over" start over and treat it like a first date, I am gonna be very subtle and reactionary rather than proactive on things.

The reason we decided to call this a "walk and talk" date because she really wants to tell me about her "Shitty year" she's been through, she keeps bringing this up during Gchat conversations, but it is a story that she needs me to listen to in person etc...

She feels like she needs to fill me in on her crazy year, which most likely involved a shitty boyfriend (she gave a very subtle hint)

SO this "date" is mostly going to be me walking and listening to her and comforting her from her brutal story; Which means I need to be in Listening and caring and comforting mode for this.. I thought the wine and the blanket at the park would just ease her tension and frustrations after she tells her "tragic' story... But I don't even know anymore, and I am frankly too tired. I'll keep you guys posted how it goes tomorrow.



This girl I'm supposed to meet tomorrow keeps calling me "dude". Have I been friendzoned already?

It just seems to me a term you use when referring to a friend...

I personally cringe every time a girl I am interested in calls me "dude" .... But being called "dude" alone shouldn't say much about her feelings towards you, you have to put the context where she calls you that into perspective. For example does she do it jokingly, to be funny/ witty? Does she call you that when she is impatient or annoyed by you? Take note of when she is calling you that and why? Then take it from there, but don't over think one stupid word.

And I would honestly take Llyranor's advice on this and call her "dude" but don't call her "dude" right back after she calls you, (don't do it as obvious retaliation to her calling you "dude") do it randomly, in times and scenarios she least expects you to call her that.

Let her get annoyed a little, and see if she'll still call you dude.
 
I may be wrong (as I've never asked someone out while they were working before), but I feel like the better method might be to not put them on the spot by asking them. I would maybe wait until it's dead / she isn't busy, go up to her and tell her you think she's good-looking or what have you, and that you are interested in taking her out for coffee or something. Then give her your number, on a napkin / receipt / whatever.

Again, maybe I'm wrong.

Go for it! Though I don't suggest asking her while she's working.

Well, if you don't ask, you won't know her reaction as either.

thanks guys I am gonna ask her this afternoon

Any last tips I should be aware of or you want to give me beforehand?
 
This girl I'm supposed to meet tomorrow keeps calling me "dude". Have I been friendzoned already?

It just seems to me a term you use when referring to a friend...

Nah. I call the boyfie dude all the time and he most certainly isn't in the friend zone.
 
OK, irl I am interested in calls me "dude" .... But being called "dude" alone shouldn't say much about her feelings towards you, you have to put the context where she calls you that into perspective. For example does she do it jokingly, to be funny/ witty? Does she call you that when she is impatient or annoyed by you? Take note of when she is calling you that and why? Then take it from there, but don't over think one stupid word.

And I would honestly take Llyranor's advice on this and call her "dude" but don't call her "dude" right back after she calls you, (don't do it as obvious retaliation to her calling you "dude") do it randomly, in times and scenarios she least expects you to call her that.

Let her get annoyed a little, and see if she'll still call you dude.

I personally wouldn't do this at all. If it bothers you maybe say something but otherwise just let it go. It's hard to say without being there but I've called ex's random stuff without it being negative.

Also, I really dislike the idea of turning everything into some battlefield and I can't fathom why you'd want to annoy her. If you like someone, I don't know why you'd want to do that. Not saying don't address things that bother you but passive aggressive shit is always stupid in general, let alone in relationships.
 
Just be yourself. Don't put on a act or an image just to impress people. If some girls or guys don't like that then move on till it sticks. Dating life sucks from time to time, but don't give up on yourself. You want to date someone who is going to bring out the better qualities in you and like you for who you are, not someone who likes a person that you're not. I've tried too hard to impress women and it does nothing for me. Luckily I found a girl who could care less if I'm this or that, but likes me for who I am and she's great.
 
Second date, in an hour and a half.
Only problem: this girl gives the worst green light signs in the world.
First date I got a whole bunch of mixed messages. She tells me afterwards she was waiting all evening for me to make my move. I was like WHAT xD.

So I now I know she's ok with it, just need to figure out when xD.
Guh passed dates were a lot more clear than this girl!
 
I actually referred to a girl once as a "dude" because I wasn't interested romantically and wanted to come off as really casual and platonic on purpose. Her response was something along the lines of "I'm not your dude". So yeah, "dude" might not be a good start.
 
I know it was, but I still think it is a great idea, it works trust me...

It's not the end of the world to call a woman a "dude'


Seesh! Why so upset guys? you gotta live a little.

I said it before, but the fact that you write SOOOOO much in your posts about a girl you've seen twice now says a lot.

Even the guy in the other thread who's been "in love" with a girl on another coast who has a boyfriend doesn't write this much about her.

If this is how your conversations/texts to her sound, it's exhausting to read. Brevity is the soul of wit, particularly with your "text game."
 
Well Excuse fuckin me for trying to contribute something to this thread, no worries, I'll just be my selfish self and keep asking the questions and never give my opinion to anyone's no matter how strong I feel about it.
 
Way to completely miss my point.

I didn't, I write a lot because

1) I am an Artist, a visual kind of guy, words aren't my strong suite

2) English is not my first language

3) I don't want to give a brief and biased perspective of a situation, I try to lay it all out in front of you guys with the "boring" details, with direct quotes from me and her to give a chance for you guys to see your own angel of the scenario.
 
Anyone ever meet girls at a funeral? My friend is sorta setting me up with this girl, but we're going to meet at a funeral. It sounds painfully awkward.
 
Anyone ever meet girls at a funeral? My friend is sorta setting me up with this girl, but we're going to meet at a funeral. It sounds painfully awkward.

I HAVE to know how this turns out. It reads like an episode of Seinfeld.

Anyway, don't even attempt anything during the funeral. After it's over, simply ask if she wants to grab a drink and talk elsewhere, since, you know, you were at a funeral.

I didn't, I write a lot because

2) English is not my first language

Never would've guessed, Johnny. Do you and your lady friend text in your native language? (What is it, by the way?)
 
Anyone ever meet girls at a funeral? My friend is sorta setting me up with this girl, but we're going to meet at a funeral. It sounds painfully awkward.

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Sorry I had to :P

Never done it, probably would never.
 
Anyone ever meet girls at a funeral? My friend is sorta setting me up with this girl, but we're going to meet at a funeral. It sounds painfully awkward.

O-o

I... well, good luck.

EDIT: Johnny, you're getting kind of defensive here. Zackie might be a little blunt at times, but yeah, you missed his point. You do give a lot of detail into your situation... which can be good, if framed correctly and whatnot. But, at least to me, I find it hard to read your posts because of how long and disorganized they are. It's hard to parcel out all the information in the first place because English isn't your first language, and it's made worse by the fact that it's peppered with irrelevant information and direct quotes and whatnot. We usually don't care too much about direct quotes unless you're being intentionally vague, like Gooch was being consistently a few pages back. I haven't been able to give you much solid advice (if any) because I can't really understand what you're asking sometimes.

I don't believe that was what Zackie's point was either (I believe it was something like "you seem pretty damn obsessed about this girl when you've only gone on two dates"), that's just my opinion on the matter of your posts.
 
I don't believe that was what Zackie's point was either (I believe it was something like "you seem pretty damn obsessed about this girl when you've only gone on two dates"), that's just my opinion on the matter of your posts.
That's my impression of it as well.

Maybe you're overanalyzing and overthinking things a bit too much, and that anxiety can reflect in your interactions with this girl.
 
Need some advice again, on something that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to, but I'll ask anyway.

The girl I met at her job, I'm going to be near the place later today (as I am weekly). Should I stop by and say hello? I don't want to go in there for her to think that I am being creepy or anything, she might also get the wrong impression about me, being needy and what not.
 
@Valus
Agree to talk after the funeral, preferably at a different venue. Not only would it be awkward but I also imagine disrespectful.

@JohnnyCageShower
I also think you missed the point, man. For someone you've seen twice you seem very invested. Its always wise to chillout, relax, and approach things rationally and slowly (or, just fap before you talk to her, lol). This is the girl you were texting with nonstop and invited to Seattle, right? Way too much exposure, dude. I know it logically seems right to want to constantly talk and see someone you're into, but that's not the way it works sometimes (sadly).

@GrayMatter
Have you asked her out? If not, do so. Get it over with. Write your number on a card or piece of paper, leave it with her. Tell her to text you if she's interested in grabbing a coffee. "Hey, I know you're at work so I'll keep this short. Here's my number, call me."
 
I didn't, I write a lot because

1) I am an Artist, a visual kind of guy, words aren't my strong suite

2) English is not my first language

3) I don't want to give a brief and biased perspective of a situation, I try to lay it all out in front of you guys with the "boring" details, with direct quotes from me and her to give a chance for you guys to see your own angel of the scenario.

Your English is fine. It's just the obsessive amount of detail that is alarming. If you give us a summary, that's usually enough to go off of. The fact that you detail every little interaction means that you are micro-managing things and getting way too invested in every little conversational event. That doesn't seem healthy, and it surely isn't what she is doing.

O-o

I... well, good luck.

EDIT: Johnny, you're getting kind of defensive here. Zackie might be a little blunt at times, but yeah, you missed his point. You do give a lot of detail into your situation... which can be good, if framed correctly and whatnot. But, at least to me, I find it hard to read your posts because of how long and disorganized they are. It's hard to parcel out all the information in the first place because English isn't your first language, and it's made worse by the fact that it's peppered with irrelevant information and direct quotes and whatnot. We usually don't care too much about direct quotes unless you're being intentionally vague, like Gooch was being consistently a few pages back. I haven't been able to give you much solid advice (if any) because I can't really understand what you're asking sometimes.

I don't believe that was what Zackie's point was either (I believe it was something like "you seem pretty damn obsessed about this girl when you've only gone on two dates"), that's just my opinion on the matter of your posts.

Yeah, sorry about my bluntness, but I have definitely been in similar situations in the past, so I feel like I'm talking some sense into my old self!

Your first point is also very true. They're just difficult to read and I lose patience and interest in helping after the first paragraph!
 
Damn, just my luck.

The girl I wanted to ask out for drinks is only working there on Friday and weekends.

Oh well. Justone more day to wait to see whether I return in triumph of like a whipped dog :p
 
If I dream about my ex one more time I'm gonna punch a baby. I need to meet girls. It's been a while since I had so much as a crush on anyone. It sucks.
 
Lol @ wedding crashers, didn't even think of that. Thanks guys/gals. It's this Sunday so I'll update after it happens. My general game plan is as you guys said, meet at the funeral but actually talk afterwards, preferably away from there.

Dunno why my friend decided to tell her about me the way he did, and bring up "Oh he's gonna be at the funeral on Sunday." She's already facebook stalked me and all that jazz.
 
Yeah, sorry about my bluntness, but I have definitely been in similar situations in the past, so I feel like I'm talking some sense into my old self!

Your first point is also very true. They're just difficult to read and I lose patience and interest in helping after the first paragraph!

Eh, bluntness is important at times. I'm pretty blunt sometimes too :p
 
@GrayMatter
Have you asked her out? If not, do so. Get it over with. Write your number on a card or piece of paper, leave it with her. Tell her to text you if she's interested in grabbing a coffee. "Hey, I know you're at work so I'll keep this short. Here's my number, call me."

I know waiting is bad, but we have barely texted, mainly because it takes her forever to respond, which I hope/assume is because she's working and not just ignoring me.
 
Alright guys, Guess I've sounded a bit salty towards Zackie ova thaaaa...

I can see his frustrations with me,

But if I can explain myself about my "obsession" over this woman.

I started to connect with her right when I was ending a relationship, I was basically on the rebound, my previous gf dumped me, and it was kind of heartbreaking, I was in a funk when this one came along and swooped me off of my miserable gutter of tears and piss... My previous relationship was fun on shallower level, but regardless It was fun and I was happy, the sex was amazing in that relationship (if other aspects weren't much to write home about)

Point is, this woman, is probably the most beautiful woman I've ever dated in my life, regardless of me being on a rebound or not...She has (well had) the attitude and personality to go with that exterior beauty. It was too good to be true basically, she was exactly what I needed after a break up, I was effortlessly forgetting about my previous gf.

This may explain me being pushy, I almost wanted to escape my previous relationship (as if it never happened) by pushing forward with this one. "You're great, you're a good listener, you get me, let's go do fun and spontaneous things together." (hence Seattle)

In a span of a month: I've logged in over six days worth of text and IM with this one, over 5 hours of phone conversations . I mean this woman tried to kiss me while I was dropping her off after the first date, no lie, she reached for a kiss and I didn't even respond, I think I royally fucked up the second date by being a bit too lovey/kissy, and that's when things started to go downhill.
 
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Anyway having said all that above, I am tired, and I don't even have as strong feeling over her as I thought I did earlier in the week, she's done a swell job dumping ice cold water on the fire and cooling things down the last couple of days...

(As you may know) We decided to go for a walk tonight and talk about her "crazy year" I showed great interest about this "crazy year" of hers. It's one of those things I need to hear about her to get to know her more. Anyway we planned the getting together tonight on Tuesday... never brought it up since, she never texts me anymore, and I don't feel like being pushy and doing all the texting myself.

Right now it is noon and we're suppose to get together tonight, nothing is planned, no time and place has been decided yet etc. Unlike earlier this week, I am not even bothered by this, I don't even have any urges to text or call her anymore... I am content with going about my day.

So I am totally leaving it to her, and fuck it if she wont get back to me, that will be the ultimate "hint" and I'll move on with my life.
 
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