Gentleman Jack
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Fewer movies. Less Money.
It's hilarious that Disney has the smallest slate of all the studios for this year but is guaranteed to make the most money.
Like, besides the fact that the books are, well, weird; where is any marketing for this thing? The length of more or less all subsequent books after the first means any sequels would either have to be long-ass films or entirely TV-based makes it a weird proposition already. If they know in advance that it's all contingent on the success of this first film, why isn't it called The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger"?
I'd love for it to do well, but BOY does it not seem likely right now.
tl;dr make a Wizard and Glass adaptation.
Sony and Lionsgate are screwed.
The rest should be fine.
It's an interesting question: Do studios try to copy Disney's home-run derby model of distribution (less films on a slate, slate specifically designed so that each entry holds super-blockbuster potential), or do they go the other way and maybe try to resurrect the mid-budget tier of motion picture that's been slowly asphyxiating the past couple decades?
It looks like they're going to try and join the home run derby, which will be hard considering Disney owns most of the sluggers outright already. And for whatever reason, releasing a lot of 30-50mil movies that could make 80-100 mil if successful doesn't seem to be an avenue any of these studios really wants to pursue strongly.
Definitely home run derby. Disney's success can't be denied so everyone's going to want a piece of that pie. It's probably going to be a terrible idea for most of the studios, but putting money on bad ideas is an essential part of Hollywood!It's an interesting question: Do studios try to copy Disney's home-run derby model of distribution (less films on a slate, slate specifically designed so that each entry holds super-blockbuster potential), or do they go the other way and maybe try to resurrect the mid-budget tier of motion picture that's been slowly asphyxiating the past couple decades?
It looks like they're going to try and join the home run derby, which will be hard considering Disney owns most of the sluggers outright already. And for whatever reason, releasing a lot of 30-50mil movies that could make 80-100 mil if successful doesn't seem to be an avenue any of these studios really wants to pursue strongly.
It's an interesting question: Do studios try to copy Disney's home-run derby model of distribution (less films on a slate, slate specifically designed so that each entry holds super-blockbuster potential), or do they go the other way and maybe try to resurrect the mid-budget tier of motion picture that's been slowly asphyxiating the past couple decades?
It looks like they're going to try and join the home run derby, which will be hard considering Disney owns most of the sluggers outright already. And for whatever reason, releasing a lot of 30-50mil movies that could make 80-100 mil if successful doesn't seem to be an avenue any of these studios really wants to pursue strongly.
One would hope studios would look at Split, Get Out, and Logan (which yes, cost far more than the other two, but still far less than other blockbusters) and realize that not all the money is in expensive tent poles, but I get the feeling trying to emulate Disney will be a thing, which is a fool's errand if there ever was one.It's an interesting question: Do studios try to copy Disney's home-run derby model of distribution (less films on a slate, slate specifically designed so that each entry holds super-blockbuster potential), or do they go the other way and maybe try to resurrect the mid-budget tier of motion picture that's been slowly asphyxiating the past couple decades?
It looks like they're going to try and join the home run derby, which will be hard considering Disney owns most of the sluggers outright already. And for whatever reason, releasing a lot of 30-50mil movies that could make 80-100 mil if successful doesn't seem to be an avenue any of these studios really wants to pursue strongly.
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Yep, just like every other year. Warner might struggle a bit but should be alright, Disney as always will eat, as will Fox.
I should point out that I also didn't include any releases from Jan-Mar 10th. Universal has released 5 films already, Lionsgate has released 5, Warner Bros has released 3, Fox has released 2, Paramount has released 3, and Sony has released 4.
Beauty and the Beast this weekend is the first Disney film of the year.
EDIT: I added that info to the OP
I mean, even if the numbers are down, not everyone has as narrow tastes/views as you apparently do. There's still plenty out there beyond what you've described.TV has killed movies completely. If you are not a comic book fan or a kid there is literally no reason to even rent movies anymore. I will see Star Wars and Dunkirk in 2017 and that is it. Won't even rent anything lol.
Neither of these are true. BFG's $183m on a $140m budget is a loss, as studios share the revenue with theatres. In the US the studio gets a little over half, less elsewhere, and only $55m of the revenue was domestic. Which saddens me because I liked the movie.
The story is similar for Alice 2, just with a larger budget and a larger gross.
Long term both may turn a profit, but theatrically they absolutely did not.
TV has killed movies completely. If you are not a comic book fan or a kid there is literally no reason to even rent movies anymore. I will see Star Wars and Dunkirk in 2017 and that is it. Won't even rent anything lol.
It probably isn't a huge dent yet, but half of my work colleagues (even the less tech savvy ones) are just stealing all their shit with Android tv boxes. It seems they've made the entry barrier much easier than torrenting. They have the gall to say "Why do you even go to the theatres? Ha ha". My response is usually, "So I can support filmmakers. I also don't like shit quality with forced subtitles."
It's an interesting question: Do studios try to copy Disney's home-run derby model of distribution (less films on a slate, slate specifically designed so that each entry holds super-blockbuster potential), or do they go the other way and maybe try to resurrect the mid-budget tier of motion picture that's been slowly asphyxiating the past couple decades?
It looks like they're going to try and join the home run derby, which will be hard considering Disney owns most of the sluggers outright already. And for whatever reason, releasing a lot of 30-50mil movies that could make 80-100 mil if successful doesn't seem to be an avenue any of these studios really wants to pursue strongly.
Strong US dollar = lower international returns relative to local currency. Russia and Latin America have taken huge hits, but Europe and Asia are down as well. On top of that, 2015 foreign currency was already much weaker than 2014. But yes, the international market expansion has started to slow down.
They announced that date last April
http://collider.com/disney-release-date/
UNTITLED DISNEY FAIRY TALE (Live Action) previously dated on 12/22/17 moves up to 7/28/17
UNTITLED DISNEY FAIRY TALE (Live Action) now dated on 4/6/18
UNTITLED DISNEY LIVE ACTION now dated on 8/3/18
UNTITLED DISNEY LIVE ACTION now dated on 12/25/18
UNTITLED DISNEY FAIRY TALE (Live Action) now dated on 12/20/19
Girls Trip
American Made
The Snowman
Insidious: Chapter 4
Let It Snow
Pitch Perfect 3
It's weird, since that's a sector that Disney specifically gave up on with their current path. They sold off Miramax ages ago, Hollywood Pictures and Touchstone have been dead for quite some time now, and they let their distribution deal with DreamWorks go out on a whimper with the one-two punch of The BFG and The Light Between Oceans.
Distributor Total Production Budget (million USD)
1 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story BV $530,118,047 200
2 Finding Dory BV $486,295,561 200
3 Captain America: Civil War BV $408,084,349 250
4 The Secret Life of Pets Uni. $368,341,700 75
5 The Jungle Book (2016) BV $364,001,123 175
6 Deadpool Fox $363,070,709 58
7 Zootopia BV $341,268,248 150
8 Batman v Superman WB $330,360,194 250
9 Suicide Squad WB $325,100,054 175
10 Sing Uni. $268,744,865 75
11 Moana BV $247,486,833 150
12 Fantastic Beasts WB $233,818,593 180
13 Doctor Strange BV $232,630,718 165
14 Hidden Figures Fox $162,861,188 25
15 Jason Bourne Uni. $162,192,920 120
16 Star Trek Beyond Par. $158,848,340 185
17 X-Men: Apocalypse Fox $155,442,489 178
18 Trolls Fox $153,584,569 125
19 La La Land LG/S $148,449,258 30
20 Kung Fu Panda 3 Fox $143,528,619 145
21 Ghostbusters (2016) Sony $128,350,574 144
22 Central Intelligence WB (NL) $127,440,871 50
23 The Legend of Tarzan WB $126,643,061 180
24 Sully WB $125,070,033 60
25 Bad Moms STX $113,257,297 20
26 The Angry Birds Movie Sony $107,509,366 73
27 Independence Day: Resurgence Fox $103,144,286 165
28 The Conjuring 2 WB (NL) $102,470,008 40
29 Arrival Par. $100,546,139 47
30 Passengers (2016) Sony $99,350,745 110
31 Sausage Party Sony $97,670,358 19
32 The Magnificent Seven (2016) Sony $93,432,655 90
33 Ride Along 2 Uni. $90,862,685 40
34 Don't Breathe SGem $89,217,875 10
35 Miss Peregrine's Home for... Fox $87,242,834 110
36 The Accountant WB $86,260,045 44
37 TMNT: Out of the Shadows Par. $82,051,601 135
38 The Purge: Election Year Uni. $79,042,440 10
39 Alice Through the Looking Glass BV $77,041,381 170
40 Pete's Dragon (2016) BV $76,233,151 65
41 The Girl on the Train (2016) Uni. $75,395,035 45
42 Boo! A Madea Halloween LGF $73,206,343 20
43 Storks WB $72,679,278 70
44 10 Cloverfield Lane Par. $72,082,998 15
45 Lights Out WB (NL) $67,268,835 5
46 Hacksaw Ridge LGF $67,209,615 40
47 The Divergent Series: Allegiant LG/S $66,184,051 110
48 Now You See Me 2 LG/S $65,075,540 90
49 Ice Age: Collision Course Fox $64,063,008 105
50 The Boss Uni. $63,077,560 29
51 London Has Fallen Focus $62,524,260 60
52 Miracles from Heaven TriS $61,705,123 13
53 Deepwater Horizon LG/S $61,433,527 110
54 Why Him? Fox $60,191,438 38
55 My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 Uni. $59,689,605 18
56 Jack Reacher: Never Go Back Par. $58,697,076 60
57 Fences Par. $57,393,468 24
58 Me Before You WB (NL) $56,245,075 20
59 The BFG BV $55,483,770 140
60 Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising Uni. $55,340,730 35
61 The Shallows Sony $55,124,043 17
62 Office Christmas Party Par. $54,767,494 45
63 Assassin's Creed Fox $54,647,948 125
64 Barbershop: The Next Cut WB (NL) $54,030,051 20
65 13 Hours Par. $52,853,219 50
66 Lion Wein. $48,647,617 12
67 Kubo and the Two Strings Focus $48,023,088 60
68 The Huntsman: Winter's War Uni. $48,003,015 115
69 Manchester by the Sea RAtt. $47,532,151 9
70 Warcraft Uni. $47,225,655 160
71 How to Be Single WB (NL) $46,843,513 38
72 Mike and Dave Need Wed. Dates Fox $46,009,673 33
73 War Dogs WB $43,034,523 40
74 Almost Christmas Uni. $42,065,185 17
75 Money Monster TriS $41,012,075 27
76 Allied Par. $40,098,064 85
77 Nerve LGF $38,583,626 20
78 Risen Sony $36,880,033 20
79 The Nice Guys WB $36,261,763 50
80 The Boy (2016) STX $35,819,556 10
81 Dirty Grandpa LGF $35,593,113 12
82 Ouija: Origin of Evil Uni. $35,144,505 9
83 The 5th Wave Sony $34,912,982 38
84 Inferno Sony $34,343,574 75
85 Mother's Day ORF $32,492,859 25
86 Patriot's Day LGF $31,886,361 45
87 Gods of Egypt LG/S $31,153,464 140
88 Collateral Beauty WB (NL) $31,016,021 36
89 Hail, Caesar! Uni. $30,080,225 22
90 When the Bough Breaks SGem $29,747,603 10
91 Zoolander 2 Par. $28,848,693 50
92 The Finest Hours BV $27,569,558 80
93 Florence Foster Jenkins Par. $27,383,770 29
94 Hell or High Water LGF $27,007,844 12
95 Moonlight A24 $26,895,353 2
96 The Forest Focus $26,594,261 10
97 Ben-Hur (2016) Par. $26,410,477 100
98 The Witch A24 $25,138,705 3
99 Bridget Jones's Baby Uni. $24,139,805 35
100 Kevin Hart: What Now? Uni. $23,574,605 10
101 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Par. $23,083,334 35
102 Snowden ORF $21,587,519 40
103 Mechanic: Resurrection LG/S $21,218,403 40
104 Free State of Jones STX $20,810,036 50
105 Blair Witch LGF $20,777,061 5
106 God's Not Dead 2 PFR $20,774,575 5
107 Keanu WB (NL) $20,591,853 15
108 Middle School: The Worst Years LGF $20,007,149 9
109 Nine Lives (2016) EC $19,700,032 30
110 Race (2016) Focus $19,115,191 5
111 The Choice LGF $18,730,891 10
112 Bad Santa 2 BG $17,678,142 26
113 Masterminds (2016) Rela. $17,368,022 25
114 Norm of the North LGF $17,062,499 18
115 The Birth of a Nation FoxS $15,861,566 9
116 Eddie the Eagle Fox $15,789,389 23
117 The Infiltrator BG $15,436,808 30
118 Keeping Up with the Joneses Fox $14,904,426 40
119 Criminal (2016) LG/S $14,708,696 32
120 The Edge of Seventeen STX $14,431,633 9
121 Triple 9 ORF $12,639,297 20
122 The Light Between Oceans BV $12,545,979 20
123 Fifty Shades of Black ORF $11,686,940 5
124 Pride and Prejudice and Zombies SGem $10,907,291 28
125 The Darkness HTR $10,753,574 4
126 Live by Night WB $10,378,555 65
127 Popstar: Never Stop Never Stop. Uni. $9,496,130 20
128 Hardcore Henry STX $9,252,038 3
129 Ratchet & Clank Focus $8,821,329 20
130 The Wild Life (2016) LG/S $8,005,586 13
131 Silence Par. $7,100,177 40
132 Shut In EC $6,900,335 10
133 The Brothers Grimsby Sony $6,874,837 35
134 The Young Messiah Focus $6,469,813 19
135 Bleed for This ORF $5,083,906 6
136 Incarnate HTR $4,799,774 5
137 Hands of Stone Wein. $4,712,792 20
138 Morgan Fox $3,915,251 8
139 Max Steel ORF $3,818,664 10
140 A Monster Calls Focus $3,740,823 43
141 Rules Don't Apply Fox $3,652,206 25
142 Miss Sloane EC $3,454,831 13
143 The Disappointments Room Rela. $2,423,468 15
TOTAL $10.896B $8.139B
Budget Range # of releases Avg Gross in Range Avg Budget in Range
$150M+ 16 $260M $183M
$100-149M 15 $84M $122M
$75-99M 7 $128M $81M
$50-74M 14 $85M $59M
$25-49M 36 $45M $35M
$10-24M 38 $37M $16M
$0-9M 17 $21M $6M
TOTAL 143 $76M $57M
Neither of these are true. BFG's $183m on a $140m budget is a loss, as studios share the revenue with theatres. In the US the studio gets a little over half, less elsewhere, and only $55m of the revenue was domestic. Which saddens me because I liked the movie.
The story is similar for Alice 2, just with a larger budget and a larger gross.
Long term both may turn a profit, but theatrically they absolutely did not.
Sure thing.
Bruh, you at least need to rent Get Out.TV has killed movies completely. If you are not a comic book fan or a kid there is literally no reason to even rent movies anymore. I will see Star Wars and Dunkirk in 2017 and that is it. Won't even rent anything lol.
Nine movies have earned $100M+ domestic so far in calendar year 2017. Previous high at this point? Five.
BFG broke even
Sequal made money
BFG didn't break-even, far from it.
The only distributor (pre-sold to some international territories to cover the budget) that got a good deal out of BFG was E-One who distributed the pic in the UK and other territories.
Disney and Dreamworks only got red ink.
Personally I've largely gotten the numbers from talking with people more in the know than myself, as well as reading posts from knowledgeable folks here on GAF.Where did you get these numbers like the studio gets half of domestic?
More studios should try to zag when the others are all zigging.
Big problem is hollywood is everyone wants to follow the leader rather than carve their own niche, as you point out.
In the future there will be only Disney and they will own everything.
Another fucking SAW movie?
In the future there will be only Disney and they will own everything.
You would think that studios would start getting the picture that making a $100 million dollar shitty movie with "brand recognition" is a way worse move than make 10-20 low budget films by directors who are passionate about what they're doing.
Get Out was made for $4 million bucks and has made 25 times it's budget last I checked.
In the future there will be only Disney and they will own everything.
Yep.
Disney's worldwide cut on Alice 2 was in the neighbourhood of $125M against a production budget of $170M, plus whatever they spent on marketing. Even with home media and other revenue streams, that one is probably still in the red. I wonder what gross percentage they gave to Johnny Depp.
Still, for every Get Out you have a dozen horror flicks that pass through theaters making less than $10M in profit. With every weekend becoming a battleground of blockbusters, there's less wiggle room for unexpected hits.You would think that studios would start getting the picture that making a $100 million dollar shitty movie with "brand recognition" is a way worse move than make 10-20 low budget films by directors who are passionate about what they're doing.
Get Out was made for $4 million bucks and has made 25 times it's budget last I checked.
Why do people act like you literally have to buy a 3D, large format, non-matinee ticket, XXXtra large popcorn bucket, XXXtra large soda, a soft pretzel, and a box of the most expensive candy to see a movie in theatres?30+ bucks to see a movie
Why do people act like you literally have to buy a 3D, large format, non-matinee ticket, XXXtra large popcorn bucket, XXXtra large soda, a soft pretzel, and a box of the most expensive candy to see a movie in theatres?
Short term thinking though. Disney still needs to make new stuff because Marvel and Star Wars can't last forever, even if it doesn't seem that way at the moment.Disney doesn't need them anymore with Marvel and Star Wars backing them. When they didn't have Marvel or Star Wars, they were trying to find more franchises like Pirates. Now, they don't even need Pirates with Star Wars and Marvel taking up 3 slots year. No need for Tron or PoP or other live action flops. Double it down with their live action takes on classics cleaning house, Disney Animation back on top. I don't think they have a single major release that isn't a Live Action Fairy Tale, Pixar/WGA, Star Wars, or Marvel in the next 3 to 4 years. They'll still dribble out their nature specials twice a year and the occasional true story live action film every year. But they have no need to develop anything new.