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[Vilix]

Why in the world did they handcuff that girl for picking up the cop's nightstick? That was totally uncalled for.

 

[Forerunner]

Why in the world did they handcuff that girl for picking up the cop's nightstick? That was totally uncalled for.

You don't pick up an officer's weapon and use it in a taunting aggressive manner. You can't tell if this gesture is towards the suspect or the other officers. It would have been different if she simply picked it up and tried to hand it back to them.

Regardless, it's best just to stay out of the way.

 

[AtomicShroom]

If a cop hypothetically went gunless and engaged a civilian who draws a gun on them at an inescapable range? Probably nothing they can do but get shot if they can't retreat to handle the situation differently. Unfortunately this is necessary to reign in how quickly they resort to shooting first. It can' t be sugar coated really. To reign in cops with how quickly they escalate situations with deadly force they will have to increase the risk of deadly force being used on them first. It's a necessary step.

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

 

[Enzom21]

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

You are either delusional or you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[Princess Carl]

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

How does one reach this mindset despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary? Besides being class-ist/racist/ willfully ignorant of course.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

You are either delusional or you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

How does one reach this mindset despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary? Besides being class-ist/racist/ willfully ignorant of course.

Indoctrination runs deep.

 

[Shamrock7r]

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

Like, I was with you here....

and then you said

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

... and you lost me

 

[Schattenjäger]

The one thing I don't get is do some of you actually think police officers get off on killing people ?
Like in this situation.. It was their intent to kill this guy ..never mind the fact it must eat them up inside that someone had to die

I shouldn't even reply since I said wouldn't post in these threads anymore but
Eh

Tragedy on all sides

 

[jmood88]

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

Wow.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

The one thing I don't get is do some of you actually think police officers get off on killing people ?
Like in this situation.. It was their intent to kill this guy ..never mind the fact it must eat them up inside that someone had to die

I shouldn't even reply since I said wouldn't post in these threads anymore but
Eh

Tragedy on all sides

All officers? No. But surely there are some. But I think that question is irrelevant

I have a massive post for you friends.

According to new data released by the FBI this week, violent crime rates in America continue their steady but dramatic decline, ongoing since 1994. There were 1.16 million overall incidents of violent crime in 2013, which is the lowest total since 1978, when the population was just 222 million (compared to today's 317 million). Reports of negligent manslaughter were the lowest since 1968.

But there's one type of violence that is bucking the trend: civilian deaths at the hands of police. The FBI tallied 461 felony suspects killed by police in 2013, the highest total in two decades. And while FBI data is adequate to demonstrate a rising trend in police killings, it is notoriously incomplete: The data is all self-reported by police departments using a wide variety of methodologies, and it only includes felony suspects. One estimate based on media reports puts the number of civilians killed by police in 2013 as high as 1,700.

So in 1994, I joined the St. Louis Police Department. I quickly realized how naive I’d been. I was floored by the dysfunctional culture I encountered.

I won’t say all, but many of my peers were deeply racist.

One example: A couple of officers ran a Web site called St. Louis Coptalk, where officers could post about their experience and opinions. At some point during my career, it became so full of racist rants that the site administrator temporarily shut it down. Cops routinely called anyone of color a “thug,” whether they were the victim or just a bystander.

This attitude corrodes the way policing is done.

But more and more, I felt like I couldn’t do the work I set out to do. I was participating in a profoundly corrupt criminal justice system. I could not, in good conscience, participate in a system that was so intentionally unfair and racist. So after five years on the job, I quit.

The problem is that cops aren’t held accountable for their actions, and they know it. These officers violate rights with impunity. They know there’s a different criminal justice system for civilians and police.

Even when officers get caught, they know they’ll be investigated by their friends, and put on paid leave. My colleagues would laughingly refer to this as a free vacation. It isn’t a punishment. And excessive force is almost always deemed acceptable in our courts and among our grand juries. Prosecutors are tight with law enforcement, and share the same values and ideas.

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed.

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

In January 2003, Bowling was on his way to fill a prescription when Timothy McCue, an on-duty DEA agent, tried to pass him illegally on the right side of a wide one-lane street. Bowling accelerated to prevent McCue from passing, and the two cars collided. After the collision, McCue and another agent got out of their car. McCue drew his gun, threw Bowling to the ground, and beat him to the point of inflicting brain damage. McCue later justified the violence by saying Bowling “resisted arrest” when he lifted his head from the pavement. According to witnesses, McCue threatened to kill Bowling, whom he called “white trash” and a “system-dodging inbred hillbilly.”

Only one of the officers at the accident scene that day had any integrity. That would be Seifert, a cop with an exemplary record. Seifert took the witness statements that implicated McCue. He documented Bowling’s injuries and testified for Bowling in his lawsuit. He actively fought the cover-up.

As Judge Robinson pointed out, Seifert was forced into early retirement because of his actions. He lost part of his pension and his retirement health insurance. He was “shunned, subjected to gossip and defamation by his police colleagues, and treated as a pariah,” Robinson said. “The way Seifert was treated was shameful.”

So what happened to the cops involved in the cover-up? Ronald Miller, then Kansas City’s police chief, is now the police chief in Topeka. Steven Culp, then Kansas City’s deputy police chief, is now, incredibly, executive director of the Kansas Commission on Peace Officers’ Standards and Training. Officer Robert Lane went on to become a councilman for the town of Edwardsville, where he was later convicted of participating in a ticket-fixing scheme. And McCue is still with the DEA.

It may be true that abusive cops are few and far between, as police organizations typically claim. The problem is that other cops rarely hold them accountable. Perhaps that’s because they know they will be treated the way Max Seifert was. For all the concern about the “Stop Snitchin’ ” message within the hip-hop community, police have engaged in a far more impactful and pernicious Stop Snitchin’ campaign of their own. It’s called the Blue Wall of Silence.

As the National Center for Women and Policing noted in a heavily footnoted information sheet, "Two studies have found that at least 40 percent of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10 percent of families in the general population. A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24 percent, indicating that domestic violence is two to four times more common among police families than American families in general."

Cops "typically handle cases of police family violence informally, often without an official report, investigation, or even check of the victim's safety," the summary continues. "This 'informal' method is often in direct contradiction to legislative mandates and departmental policies regarding the appropriate response to domestic violence crimes." Finally, "even officers who are found guilty of domestic violence are unlikely to be fired, arrested, or referred for prosecution."

Thiis "blue wall of silence" shit is so stupid - cops get pressed all the time if they even have an allegation of wrong doing from your superiors, internal affairs, civilian complaints review boards, anonymous phone calls on each other all the time- please stop watching the movies, and presenting information that you think is true, it's not at all.

People think that staying silent actually works when general orders and laws not only prohibit it but ensure that officers are investigated and held accountable if they do it.

So these two posters are a bit biased. Here is a massive post that disproves the idea that "the blue wall" doesn't exist.

The code is considered to be police corruption and misconduct. Any officers who engaged in discriminatory arrests, physical or verbal harassment, and selective enforcement of the law are considered to be corrupt. Many officers who follow the code may participate in some of these acts during their career for personal matters or in order to protect or support fellow officers.[4] All of these are considered illegal offenses and are grounds for suspension or immediate dismissal. Officers who follow the code are unable to report fellow officers who participate in corruption due to the unwritten laws of their "police family."

Police perjury or "testilying" (in United States police slang) is when an officer gives false testimony in court. Officers who do not lie in court may sometimes be threatened and ostracized by fellow police officers. In 1992, the Commission to Investigate Allegations of Police Corruption (also known as the Mollen Commission) undertook a two-year investigation on perjury in law enforcement. They discovered that some officers falsified documents such as arrest reports, warrants and evidence for an illegal arrest or search. Some police officers also fabricated stories to a jury. The Commission found that the officers were not lying for greed but because they believed that they were imprisoning people who deserved it. Many prosecutors allowed police perjury to occur, as well.[5][6]

In 1970, New York City organized the Knapp Commission to hold hearings on the extent of corruption in the city's police department. Police officer Frank Serpico's startling testimony against fellow officers not only revealed systemic corruption but highlighted a longstanding obstacle to investigating these abuses: the fraternal understanding among police officers known variously as "the Code of Silence" and "the Blue Curtain" under which officers regard testimony against a fellow officer as betrayal.[4]

In 1992, the Mollen Commission, commissioned to investigate reports of police corruption in New York City, noted that "The pervasiveness of the code of silence is itself alarming."[7] One New York City police officer said, "If a cop decided to tell on me, his career's ruined....He's going to be labeled as a rat."[7] The following year saw the founding of the Civilian Complaint Review Board, an all-civilian board tasked with investigating civil complaints about alleged misconduct on the part of the New York City Police Department.

After that the International Association of Chiefs of Police made a code of police conduct publication and rigorously trained police officers. In 1991 Rodney King was brutally beaten by multiple police officers of Los Angeles Police Department. The officers involved were expected to have been following the "blue code". They claimed that the beating was lawful, but it was not until a videotape of the incident was released when it was confirmed that the officers had collectively fabricated their stories.

In the later 1990s, the FBI arrested 42 officers from five law enforcement agencies in 1998 on charges of conspiracy to distribute cocaine. In a 1998 report to U.S. Congressman Charles B. Rangel, the federal General Accounting Office (GAO) found evidence of growing police involvement in drug sales, theft of drugs and money from drug dealers, and perjured testimony about illegal searches.[4]

Police corruption in Chicago survives due to a lack of oversight and indifference from internal and external leadership, according to a new report published by UIC researchers. The report, “Crime, Corruption and Cover-ups in the Chicago Police Department,” examines the convictions of Chicago Police officers since 1960. Over the past five decades, no fewer than 300 officers have been convicted of crimes such as drug dealing, beatings of civilians, destroying evidence, protecting mobsters, theft and murder. More than 90 of the convictions have taken place since 2000.

“By far, most officers are law-abiding, dedicated public servants,” says report co-author John Hagedorn, professor of criminology, law and justice. “The real problem is that an embarrassingly large number of police officers violate citizens’ rights, engage in corruption and commit crimes while escaping detection and avoiding discipline or prosecution for many years.” According to the report, police corruption is enabled by a “blue code of silence” entrenched in a department culture where officers avoid reporting crimes and misconduct by their colleagues. - See more at: http://news.uic.edu/police-corruption-enabled-by-blue-code-of-silence#sthash.qgcq4QWH.dpuf

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For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad.

... It was Schoolcraft who brought attention to the quota and crime statistics data manipulation going on in the NYC Police Department. For his trouble he was raided by a SWAT team and taken to a psychiatric hospital for six days against his will.(41 minutes)

There are more stories films? like these. Last year a former Albuquerque cop named Sam Costales was awarded $662,000 in a lawsuit against his own department. In 2006 Costales testified against fellow officers after an incident that resulted in the arrest of the retired race car driver Al Unser. Costales said Unser did not assault or threaten officers from the Bernalillo Sheriff’s Department, as claimed in police reports, and his testimony helped Unser win an acquittal.

None of the Bernalillo deputies were disciplined. But by now you probably can guess who was: Sam Costales. His own chief opened an internal affairs investigation of Costales for wearing his police uniform when he testified in Unser’s case. Albuquerque cops apparently are permitted to wear the uniform when they’re testifying for the prosecution, but not when they’re testifying for the defense.

As is often the case when an officer is investigated, the police union got involved—but not to protect Costales. James Badway, secretary of the Albuquerque Police Officers Association, sent an email message to the Bernalillo sheriff stating that the union was “embarrassed” and “ashamed” that Costales would testify against fellow officers.

]Critics say officials have erected a wall of silence around the details of the death of unarmed suburban mother Miriam Carey, who was shot five times, once in the head, three times in the back and once in the arm by federal authorities in the shadow of the nation’s Capitol.[/B]

And the evidence may back them up: Authorities will not provide crucial details about the case or even answer questions about it, and they appear intent on making sure the final report on the incident never sees the light of day.

As WND reported, on March 24, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Kim C. Dine testified before a congressional committee that he believed officers made the right call in shooting Carey to death, but, he said, he could not go into details because the case was still under investigation.

However, now the case is no longer under investigation, authorities are still not releasing details.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/blue-wall-of-silence-shrouds-capitol-hill-shooting/#Jm1vjh4PBgk9Ozsc.99

 

[J-Rzez]

Regular police carrying guns is a hazard. reaching for my gun is becoming a license to kill.

Take away their guns.


If someone already has a gun on them, then it is too late to do anything. Guns should onLy be allowed on cops when they actually need them.

Are you from the United States of America? I'm assuming not because if you were you would know that police get ambushed and that criminals have access to firearms in which they tend to conceal so the officers wouldn't always know when they were going to need these guns.

If you are from the States, then you must have a deep hatred for LEOs and law abiding citizens that you want to see them killed on a daily basis to the point where many officers would quit their jobs which would lead to increased crime and civilians involved in even more self-defensive shootings.

 

[Vilix]

Are you from the United States of America? I'm assuming not because if you were you would know that police get ambushed and that criminals have access to firearms in which they tend to conceal so the officers wouldn't always know when they were going to need these guns.

If you are from the States, then you must have a deep hatred for LEOs and law abiding citizens that you want to see them killed on a daily basis to the point where many officers would quit their jobs which would lead to increased crime and civilians involved in even more self-defensive shootings.

Do you have statisics to back this up?

 

[Princess Carl]

Are you from the United States of America? I'm assuming not because if you were you would know that police get ambushed and that criminals have access to firearms in which they tend to conceal so the officers wouldn't always know when they were going to need these guns.

If you are from the States, then you must have a deep hatred for LEOs and law abiding citizens that you want to see them killed on a daily basis to the point where many officers would quit their jobs which would lead to increased crime and civilians involved in even more self-defensive shootings.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Back that drivel up or get the fuck out of here.

 

[necrosis]

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

how do you actually believe this

 

[M0nochromatic]

All officers? No. But surely there are some. But I think that question is irrelevant

Though this isn't surprising coming from you. I have a massive post for you and your intellectually dishonest friends. So these two posters are obviously full of BS but if anyone ever wanted to dismiss their future posts just bookmark this post

Fantastic post, saved for later. The fact that those two then went on to hold higher positions of authority doesn't surprise me, but it saddens me that the one good cop who fought them lost and was shamed for doing the right thing.

 

[theepan]

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...ops-die-in-the-line-of-duty-each-year/384129/

126. this is the amount of cops who died in the us last year.

for me the issue is clear cut. 1 cop dying in the line of duty is 1 cop too many.
homeless men lives and criminals lives especially when they resist are defintley not even comparable to a cops life. i did rather have criminals die unfairly then a cop not go home . all lives aren't equal . you make your own bed.

i am glad the justice system reflects this . if lawmakers really wanted to change the system, it would have changed a long time ago. so all the people cursing the cops don't hold your breath

 

[J-Rzez]

Do you have statisics to back this up?

Statistics to back what up exactly? That officers get ambushed? That's a known fact. That criminals have access to firearms? Not sure why I would need numbers for this. That crime would escalate if there would be an exodus of LEOs due to them becoming defenseless against these armed criminals and criminals becoming more aggressive as a result thus resulting in more crimes against LEOs and of course civilians (as most crimes tend to happen against)?

Considering the numbers of crimes yearly in the country, along with the level of aggression criminals exhibit in the states, it's really not hard to grasp said predictions.

The question is, since it's harder to fathom, do you have statistics to prove there would be less crime in this country if our LEOs were neutered, and with less police presence and/or effectiveness that crime against civilians would actually decrease in America, within the American criminal culture/types?

If you would have that, then yes, by all means reduce our LEOs protection and number, and I wouldn't be sure why we didn't do that in the first place long ago.

 

[Enzom21]

So these two posters are obviously full of BS but if anyone ever wanted to dismiss their future posts just bookmark this post.

That Christopher dude has plenty of ridiculous posts. Like claiming no racial profiling occurs where he works... at the NYPD.

Statistics to back what up exactly? That officers get ambushed? That's a known fact. That criminals have access to firearms? Not sure why I would need numbers for this. That crime would escalate if there would be an exodus of LEOs due to them becoming defenseless against these armed criminals and criminals becoming more aggressive as a result thus resulting in more crimes against LEOs and of course civilians (as most crimes tend to happen against)?

Considering the numbers of crimes yearly in the country, along with the level of aggression criminals exhibit in the states, it's really not hard to grasp said predictions.

The question is, since it's harder to fathom, do you have statistics to prove there would be less crime in this country if our LEOs were neutered, and with less police presence and/or effectiveness that crime against civilians would actually decrease in America, within the American criminal culture/types?

If you would have that, then yes, by all means reduce our LEOs protection and number, and I wouldn't be sure why we didn't do that in the first place long ago.

So you don't have actual proof to backup your claims?

 

[J-Rzez]

So you don't have actual proof to backup your claims?

Proof for what exactly? Considering the criminal types we have in the US, is it hard to think that they would get more aggressive knowing they have greater success in criminal activity with a less effective LE element? That officers get ambushed, or killed when dealing with criminals as is? IMHO, I'm not sure how that it would be absurd to think this. But perhaps I misunderstand the criminal element that the only reason they are as aggressive as they are now towards LEOs and civilians, along with committing the number of crimes they do daily is because our LEOs carry firearms. And if I'm wrong, LE agencies from local to the FBI are completely clueless.

 

[JackLongRod]

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

i read your post and than looked at your username and laughed pretty hard.

 

[Chumly]

Thiis "blue wall of silence" shit is so stupid - cops get pressed all the time if they even have an allegation of wrong doing from your superiors, internal affairs, civilian complaints review boards, anonymous phone calls on each other all the time- please stop watching the movies, and presenting information that you think is true, it's not at all.

This is complete and utter bullshit. It happens all over the country. In my home town a bunch of police officers were let off a while back because other police officers wouldn't testify against them. I have family members that are police officers. The blue wall of silence is not only real its extremely COMMON.

The correct saying is now "Most police officers are corrupt but there are a few good ones out there". I include corrupt cops as cops that refuse to testify against their fellow cop.

 

[Sign]

huge depressing post by Foxy Fox 39

We really do need to just flush the whole system down the toilet and start over. A system that has better training, higher standards for admission, civilian oversight with the ability to gut a department that doesn't play ball during an investigation, prosecutors that only handle police under investigation, and the hardest prison sentences for anyone caught doing that blue wall bullshit. Oh, and cameras!

Proof for what exactly? Considering the criminal types we have in the US, is it hard to think that they would get more aggressive knowing they have greater success in criminal activity with a less effective LE element? That officers get ambushed, or killed when dealing with criminals as is? IMHO, I'm not sure how that it would be absurd to think this. But perhaps I misunderstand the criminal element that the only reason they are as aggressive as they are now towards LEOs and civilians, along with committing the number of crimes they do daily is because our LEOs carry firearms. And if I'm wrong, LE agencies from local to the FBI are completely clueless.

They want proof or statistics on the number of police that suffered ambushes. Bear in mind that only 50 police officers died from fire-arm related deaths last year. So even when an officer is a real direct threat with a fire-arm criminals are still not gunning them down the first chance they get.

People who are going to commit crimes are going to commit crimes regardless to whether or not police have fire-arms. It is the same reason why the death penalty does not deter more violent crimes.

I think you could absolutely cut down the number of weapons being carried by the police

Spoiler

(along with modifying certain standards and practices to accommodate this)

and for the most part you wouldn't notice anything different outside of the number of people being killed by police. With that being said, I am all for reducing guns in general and can appreciate any apprehensiveness an officer might have about a one-sided attempt at deescalation.

 

[Hattori]

Isn't there nfc enabled guns that won't fire unless the person has a ring to disable the lock? Why is that not widespread in our police force, it would prevent criminals from using their own weapon against them. Might as well put it in all guns for that matter.

 

[minx]

Isn't there nfc enabled guns that won't fire unless the person has a ring to disable the lock? Why is that not widespread in our police force, it would prevent criminals from using their own weapon against them. Might as well put it in all guns for that matter.

Doesn't sound very reliable.

 

[aliengmr]

Isn't there nfc enabled guns that won't fire unless the person has a ring to disable the lock? Why is that not widespread in our police force, it would prevent criminals from using their own weapon against them. Might as well put it in all guns for that matter.

NRA opposes such things.

Gun makers are producing them but the NRA thinks they are a violation of the 2nd amendment or something.

Basically if you can't just give someone a gun with no documentation or anything the NRA freaks out. And the NRA has FAR more power than voters. Fuck, they get to right their own legislation.

 

[SapientWolf]

At 16s in I think I see him grab the gun of the officer straddling him. At that point the officers completely lose their shit.

I was thinking about who carries the blame here. Honestly, he shouldn't have been forced to live on the streets in the first place. At the risk of sounding over dramatic, I blame society for not taking care of the people who are most vulnerable to abuse. And for sending in a sledgehammer when what was needed was a helping hand.

 

[GeekyDad]

I wish all guns would disappear.

Amen.

 

[deejay8595]

Dude went full Haggar with that spin move in the beginning.

Sad, but he committed suicide by cop there.

Sad story, but lol at the bolded. I thought the same thing.

 

[M0nochromatic]

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...ops-die-in-the-line-of-duty-each-year/384129/

126. this is the amount of cops who died in the us last year.

for me the issue is clear cut. 1 cop dying in the line of duty is 1 cop too many.
homeless men lives and criminals lives especially when they resist are defintley not even comparable to a cops life. i did rather have criminals die unfairly then a cop not go home . all lives aren't equal . you make your own bed.

i am glad the justice system reflects this . if lawmakers really wanted to change the system, it would have changed a long time ago. so all the people cursing the cops don't hold your breath

What about cops killing civilians, or is everyone who gets killed by police automatically a criminal? Can you describe what makes a cops life more valuable, or is that just a gut feeling you have? Cultures and societies change and their laws will change to reflect that, progress is always being made, and the cop problem in America will eventually come to a point where it will have to change. Saying that the justice system won't get fixed because people haven't fixed it already is a logically unsound argument.

 

[gutter_trash]

Came in to last page.... sees walls of text.

LA doesn't know what to do with their homeless and poor people who suffer from mental illness.
The LAPD has no clue on how to handle humans in general

 

[NHarmonic.]

Why do they shoot to kill and not to incapacitate? I still don't understand. And so many shots too...

 

[Sparkedglory]

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

Well. The first part was pretty spot on. Wtf at the second half though.

 

[MisterFalcon]

What about cops killing civilians, or is everyone who gets killed by police automatically a criminal?

This guy had just spent 15 years in jail for bank robbery so in this case, yes.

 

[spookyfish]

Are you for real? This is never going to happen because no one in their right minds would want to be a cop if they were totally defenseless and got murdered on a frequent basis.

It's baffling to see people irrationally defending suspects when 100% of deaths by police could have been avoided by suspects peacefully surrendering. It's not rocket science!

Just obey your masters and everything will be fine, right?

 

[Trojita]

Isn't there nfc enabled guns that won't fire unless the person has a ring to disable the lock? Why is that not widespread in our police force, it would prevent criminals from using their own weapon against them. Might as well put it in all guns for that matter.

Like mentioned above, The NRA is absolutely against safety systems designed only to allow the owner to shoot a gun. They lobby hard against it.

 

[Iztli]

Came in to last page.... sees walls of text.

LA doesn't know what to do with their homeless and poor people who suffer from mental illness.
The LAPD has no clue on how to handle humans in general

I've have once seen a man get dumped by a white van and then approached me and asked if he was in Orange County, which is some 30 miles away. He told me that he was admitted to a hospital because he forgot to take his medication for his schizophrenia. Now that he was on them... they just dumped him wherever they could with no money or means of transportation. This is something that happens a lot actually.

LAPD Officer Talks About Ambulances Dropping Off Mentally Ill On Skid Row

 

[Mimosa97]

I've read in a french newspaper that the homeless guy was a french citizen. Is this real ?

 

[Forerunner]

Why do they shoot to kill and not to incapacitate? I still don't understand. And so many shots too...

You don't shoot to kill. You shoot until the suspect is incapable of performing the action they were committing.

This will be center mass. Shooting at limbs and head is impractical, you'll have higher chances of missing, and these rounds could potentially hit fellow officers or bystanders.

Anyone how has fired a weapon knows how difficult it is, to hit a small target, now add in the fact of the stress from the situation and all the adrenaline and fatigue. Center mass is the prominent choice.

 

[Jarrod38]

I've have once seen a man get dumped by a white van and then approached me and asked if he was in Orange County, which is some 30 miles away. He told me that he was admitted to a hospital because he forgot to take his medication for his schizophrenia. Now that he was on them... they just dumped him wherever they could with no money or means of transportation. This is something that happens a lot actually.

LAPD Officer Talks About Ambulances Dropping Off Mentally Ill On Skid Row

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dumped-on-skid-row/

 

[Flo_Evans]

I just don't understand who fights cops?

I mean this guy was mentally ill OK. But this idea the cops should have to have a "fair fight" with insane people is, insane.

You don't walk up too the hulk and pick a fight then complain he hulked out on you.

 

[Dead Man]

I've have once seen a man get dumped by a white van and then approached me and asked if he was in Orange County, which is some 30 miles away. He told me that he was admitted to a hospital because he forgot to take his medication for his schizophrenia. Now that he was on them... they just dumped him wherever they could with no money or means of transportation. This is something that happens a lot actually.

LAPD Officer Talks About Ambulances Dropping Off Mentally Ill On Skid Row

Jesus christ. One more reason for a decent public health system. So ill people don't get dumped in random locations. Fucking hell.

I just don't understand who fights cops?

I mean this guy was mentally ill OK. But this idea the cops should have to have a "fair fight" with insane people is, insane.

You don't walk up too the hulk and pick a fight then complain he hulked out on you.

You also don't get shot in the back for running away from the hulk. And when the hulk is wrong, and you can't run away, you are supposed to just take the beating and then carry on as if you didn't just get fucked in the arse by a bunch of wankers who will face no repercussions? Nah, I get why people fight back, it's human nature. What needs to happen is more training so cops put people in that position less often instead of just going in hard on every (mentally ill/black/homeless/brown) person by default.

 

[Princess Carl]

Jesus christ. One more reason for a decent public health system. So ill people don't get dumped in random locations. Fucking hell.



You also don't get shot in the back for running away from the hulk. And when the hulk is wrong, and you can't run away, you are supposed to just take the beating and then carry on as if you didn't just get fucked in the arse by a bunch of wankers who will face no repercussions? Nah, I get why people fight back, it's human nature. What needs to happen is more training so cops put people in that position less often instead of just going in hard on every (mentally ill/black/homeless/brown) person by default.

People are killed unjustly by police, even when belly up pleading for their lives. I would fucking fight too, but my statement requires empathy and knowledge, so I can see why certain posters can't reach that conclusion.

 

[FStop7]

if you're not familiar with skid row..

Open up google maps, go to 5th and san pedro in los angeles

Switch to street view

Wander around in pretty much any direction

Take some anti-depressants once you've had enough

 

[zulfate]

Damn, bystanders are pretty damn calm about the entire thing all things considered, I'd be booking it.

This is skid row, they have seen worse. I was coming home from a rave once at 3am and accidentally walked Down skid row and that shit was crazy! No fear they will whip out there dicks and piss right in front of you or sell drugs openly. I also saw someone turn a port a potty into a house @_@

 

[FStop7]

Skid Row is the IRL version of Bubs wandering through Hamsterdam at night.

 

[J B]

Why in the world did they handcuff that girl for picking up the cop's nightstick? That was totally uncalled for.

She held it up to the cops as if she was about to hit them with it.

Also, If you think about it, had she never have done that, the two officers who ran over to originally deal with the criminal but instead turned their attention to her, would have probably been enough to completely overpower him and stop the situation escalating, it certainly would have been a different scenario anyway.

 

[NJDEN]

Why in the world did they handcuff that girl for picking up the cop's nightstick? That was totally uncalled for.

Handcuffing is something law enforcement officers will do to just about anyone involved with a crime scene. It doesn't mean your under arrest, you're just being detained until they can secure the aera and determine your involvement. It's a harmless practice and justifiable in this instance. I can see how some might interpret it as overly aggressive, but it really just comes down to officer safety.