Death Grips releases half of new album, features Björk on every track
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shut the fuck up jesus fucking christ wow i didn't know anyone could have a different opinion form you holy shit
Supermanisdead
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Supermanisdead
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i dont know why bjork even bothered with these basiqs.
Pejo
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So I posted on the last (I think?) Death Grips thread too, when the band ditched out on a live performance or something. I went back into this with full intentions on giving it a chance. Listened to "Up My Sleeves" in its entirety.
And I still think this is just some kind of "in" joke with GAF, just like with Lil B. I can't imagine people listening to this and thinking it's good. It's the equivalent to Modern Art with the "my kid could do that" feeling.
And I still think this is just some kind of "in" joke with GAF, just like with Lil B. I can't imagine people listening to this and thinking it's good. It's the equivalent to Modern Art with the "my kid could do that" feeling.
Gonna go back to notm for listen two soon, but i've also been revisiting old tracks. The Money Store remains my favorite and Exmilitary second, but someday they'll be equal because Exm continues to improve with each listen and TMS sinks. TMS is inconsistent but has the highest highs of DG's entire discography: Hacker, I've Seen Footage, Get Got. But Exm flows together so well as an album and never hits a low point, where tMS drags for Fuck That and Bitch Please.
Government Plates is still getting better too. Whatever I Want, Two Heavens, Big House, You might think... But I need to listen to it straight thru, just been shuffling it. Haven't gone back to NLDW because despite it being nowhere near my favorite it's probably my most-listened Grips album overall because I always listen to it straight thru, don't really pick off songs like I do with MS listening to Get Got on repeat.
I think people don't consider trap music enough of a related area either. Trap is a different kind of abrasive, but it's popularity opened up a lane for more industrial elements to be accepted by a wider number of hip-hop listeners I think.
Government Plates is still getting better too. Whatever I Want, Two Heavens, Big House, You might think... But I need to listen to it straight thru, just been shuffling it. Haven't gone back to NLDW because despite it being nowhere near my favorite it's probably my most-listened Grips album overall because I always listen to it straight thru, don't really pick off songs like I do with MS listening to Get Got on repeat.
Agreed, I know DG fans like to say they got there before Yeezus--the reality is that it was a parallel development of guys like Arca and TNGHT and Christ folding heavy, cloudy, piercing sounds into hip-hop structures at the same time that DG were pairing weirdo synths with math rock drumming and vulgar raps.
I think people don't consider trap music enough of a related area either. Trap is a different kind of abrasive, but it's popularity opened up a lane for more industrial elements to be accepted by a wider number of hip-hop listeners I think.
PassiveObserver
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Keep thinking that.
Pickles the Firecat
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Lil B isn't an in joke either. Dude is unrefined, sloppy, and without a filter. But there is legitimate artistry to take away from his work and his influence on the direction of music in undeniable and growing in stature. Yeah, some people listen ironically. But that doesn't mean he's a joke.
Death Grips isn't even something people like ironically though. It's just straight up dope. And relatively popular.
i dont know why bjork even bothered with these basiqs.
Because... she likes them? Bit of a weird question. Especially for a artist as eccentric as Bjork.
I get bored with ultra-clean production, steady beat drums, clear synths and all that.
I've listened to so much stuff that is highly colorful, raw, abrasive that DG just feels like an iteration on that mentality applied in the hop-hop scope.
I'll admit even with attuning my tastes for stuff like that, there are moments that DG sound breaks down. But when they're on, I really do enjoy it.
the flaw in this ep is that death grips never shuts the fuck up to allow bjork to actually SING rather than just make segmented noises every 3 seconds
Pejo
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Fair enough. If it's moving the industry forward, I'm all for new things. Maybe I'll like something that was inspired by them in the future.
Charmicarmicat
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I know this is a crazy idea... But if you want to hear Bjork sing... go listen to Bjork songs.
i, much like most of the people who probably bothered to even listen to this ep, went in with the expectation that bjork's vocals would actually be incorporated into the songs
you know somewhat like the robyn x royksopp ep
but i guess thats too much to ask
giving an artist a featured label does NOT mean relegating them to moaning throughout the track
stop
But her vocals are incorporated. Y'all just wanted the same shit you're used to, don't even lie.
artistic intent does not mean that the product is immune from receiving any criticism
also no considering that the op himself is trying it with an entire subset of the neogaf community
what is this exactly
i already told you, i listened to this ep because of bjork
she's not exactly the quintessential "generic," "samey" bullshit category that you compartmentalize all pop music into
not you calling somebody confrontational with that long ass madpost upthread
Booty Patrol
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ikr. the if you want ___ listen to ____ argument is such a bullshit dismissal.
Pickles the Firecat
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^^^ right? Sometimes you just want something raw. Something that throws your whole frame off, that you can't anticipate, that makes you shudder a little when you hear it.
But you should absolutely be able to distinguish between what you want an artist to approach their music with, and what the artist themselves wants to attempt. You don't have to enjoy it, you don't have to come back to it, but you should at least be able to recognize what they set out to achieve and whether or not they got there.
Bjork was mixed and incorporated the exact way they wanted her to be. The exact way she wanted to be. Her efforts on the release are not minimal. And I'm sure her influence extends past her vocals.
Sometimes a release just isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that. But to trash it because of that...come on.
If I came across as confrontational, I apologise. I thought I was being pretty low key. Im not trying to attack anyone. But I don't being called an idiot for having a different music taste. It's rude. And if people you didn't like just didn't do that, then we'd all get along fine.
My point still stands, if you think it's noise. That's fine, it's not for you. But throwing posts like this:
and this
and this
are uncalled for. Am I wrong, is this ok?
Supermanisdead
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you are wrong. grow up.
i was kidding.
i was kidding.
I'm sorry if my posts intimidated you, that wasn't my intention.
i don't recall explicitly stating that my opinion is the only correct one in this entire thread. you don't have to argue subjectivity with me in regards to music, that i already know.
however, i find it strange how you argue that i cannot criticize their work even though they have accomplished what they have "set out to achieve." i mean i'm fine in allowing the artist(s) complete creative control in their art, sure whatever. but playing a game of semantics and telling me that i can't agree with the direction of their artistic intent, otherwise i am "trash[ing] it" is disingenuous. it is exactly the same as me stating a preference towards the sonic quality of the music so i don't understand the problem
And I'm sorry if my posts came across as unnecessarily inflammatory. Looking back they may have done. PopGAF ain't bad
Don't get soft.
FO-totality
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It could be true that they used her exactly how they wanted, but that doesn't mean they necessarily used her well.
Sleigh Bells are surprisingly accessible and catchy for their noisyness. Death Grips ain't about that vibe at all. Deliberate in your face abrasiveness.
thats how i feel about it too
like she has a way more expansive potential than what theyve given us here, and it ultimately feels like a waste of her presence.
whether or not the artists are satisfied with their results is largely irrelevant to how i respond to the music. DG could have done less and Bjork could have done more, and it would have made a more palatable balance in my eyes.
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Pickles the Firecat
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Naw, everyone is entitled to how they feel about music and obviously enough you are as well. It's just tough when someone says:
When neither artist wanted that in the first place. Bjork didn't listen to Ex Military and think "man I want to jump on these tracks and lay down clean vocals". Your expectations were out of whack with the product creators, the intent of the product, and the product itself. This was never a thing that was going to happen. So when you say it's a failing of the project...it's essentially irrelevant.
I get that this is throwing Bjork fans for a loop right now but Death Grips is what Death Grips is and Bjork didn't walk into something without knowing that. They are friends and collaborators.
A totally fair thing to believe. But is it from the perspective of "I don't like this music because it's noise", or "This was poor execution of industrial hiphop"? Because those are separate stances to take. Both valid, both fair, both fine. But different.
PassiveObserver
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Maybe people were expecting Grips to use Bjork like Enimem uses Skylar Grey, to lay down a hook or something
BadAss2961
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omg, OT needs to grow a vulva and stop being afraid of some loud ass jessica simpson fanatics. I'm done.
♥Sleigh Bells are super candied. noise refined and shaped into strict pop structures that never give over to chaos. Which worked for Treats but has sucked for them since. Good noise pop bands right now: Joanna Gruesome, Gold-Bears, earlier Wavves, No Joy. Maybe Crystal Castles on the electronic end. Joanna Gruesome is the best of those because they kick major ass while still being incredibly catchy. Highly recommended.
But even they aren't even THAT noisy. Good noise rock/punk right now is Roomrunner, White Suns, Perfect Pussy, No Age, Future Death. And then from there the leap can be made into drone and ambient like Fuck Buttons and The Haxan Cloak and Grouper and Tim Hecker and Oneohtrix Point Never...
that's why the complaint "this is just noise" makes little sense--'noise' became a genre term years ago. It describes a kind of music that a ton of people make and plenty love
they're not tho they're just loud and repetitive and insular and mostly only know how to talk about stanning or charts and sales or who pop stars are dating. which whatever, if those are yr interests go with it but stay in your lane
BadAss2961
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lol
FO-totality
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I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this, so how you exactly pulled those perspectives from my statement. It could be from any myriad of stances and reasons. There is no binary; music criticism is in inherently subjective mode of expression. The point I'm trying to make is that artistic intent is only part of a criticism of a piece and just because they did something how they wanted or were satisfied with does not mean someone likes it or thinks it's well done, regardless of their reasons or stances why.
I could totally write a play and cast an amazing, well-known, and highly-trained actor that everyone will flock to see and will full intent put him or her in an incredibly minor part, but that doesn't mean I necessarily used that actor poorly or well. That's up the audience to decide.
hydrophilic attack
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Björk is awesome. Might give this a listen.
aaahh stop being scary
PassiveObserver
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I don't want to live in a GAF where this is considered "difficult" music.
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