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[Archie]

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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hiddenpath/defense-grid-2

Now you can help the Hidden Path team build a great Defense Grid sequel: a DG2 that exceeds your expectations and goes beyond the award-winning gameplay and amazing reviews of the original. A great sequel is our passion too, but it's an expensive undertaking, costing $1 million more to build than we can self-finance, so we're inviting you to join the Defense Grid family and help us make DG2 real.

 

[Salsa]

oh wow! pumped

pretty big goal tho

 

[x-Lundz-x]

I thought the first one sold really well?

Hell I bought it twice.

 

[corn_fest]

oh wow! pumped

pretty big goal tho

A million dollars? Geez, with that kind of money you could keep a site ad-free for a year!

 

[Iadien]

Oh no, a bunch of kickstarters I want are coming out at the same time again.

 

[SteveWinwood]

So this is why the cs go updates stopped coming?

 

[Tomat]

I thought the first one sold really well?

Hell I bought it twice.

That's what I thought, it seemed pretty popular. Was the first game out of their own pocket?

 

[Hazaro]

I absolutely loved Defense Grid.

Is the purpose of the KickStarter purely to just support them early on? I mean I guess taking money from people who are going to buy your game is way way better than getting a loan, or asking some other company or investors.
I have no doubts at all it would sell and make a profit. The staged tiers just makes it look even more like that.

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Don't you have enough money already for DG2, from DG1, or Valve on CS:GO?

We put everything we had into Defense Grid; we wanted the game to be able to reach a lot of people, and looking back we probably sold the game at too low a price. It paid for it’s cost, but not enough for us to make DG2 on our own. It takes a lot of money to make games (especially ones with 3d art instead of 2d sprites). We've been pitching it for several years but it's not f2p social (where the money is now in small games), or AAA (where the money is in big games). We still think there's enough interest to be successful, but that's what we're finding out by doing a Kickstarter.

Since Defense Grid shipped, we’ve been working for other folks who look for people who make high quality games – most recently Valve for the Counter-Strike franchise – and that has been great work that helps our team gel even further and allows us to create great game experiences, but it also isn’t going to provide enough to fund a Defense Grid 2.

 

[SolarPowered]

That's a lot of moolah

 

[APZonerunner]

Loved the first. This is one kickstarter I am in on.

 

[Treythalomew]

Their description makes it seem like they couldn't get a publisher for DG2. They say that if they don't get the million funded they'll eventually make DG2 on their own dime after possibly making other games to fund it.

 

[Ingueferroque]

I thought the first one sold really well?

Hell I bought it twice.

Yes, the point of Kickstarter is slowly eroding...

Their description makes it seem like they couldn't get a publisher for DG2. They say that if they don't get the million funded they'll eventually make DG2 on their own dime after possibly making other games to fund it.

I don't understand how publishers fooled developers into thinking they would still need a publisher to launch on a service like Steam. Especially when the team at least had a minor hit with their previous game.. you'd think they have the funding for the dev costs of DG2.

 

[Rlan]

Loved the version on XBLA. Hopefully this will eventually hit consoles as well.

 

[Mairu]

Loved the first. This is one kickstarter I am in on.

Same! I went for the lowest tier and while I think 1 million is ambitious for a TD, I hope they reach it.

 

[rohlfinator]

Hm... on one hand, a million bucks is a lot of money.

On the other, I played the crap out of the first game and the new additions like multiplayer and a level editor sound fantastic.

Hope they can get this funded.

 

[Hazaro]

I can't see it failing tbh.

 

[Mechazawa]

Surprised they wouldn't be able to fund this with all the glorious Counter Strike money they're going to be bathing in pretty soon.

 

[Orayn]

Yes, the point of Kickstarter is slowly eroding...

Honestly, I'd rather fund sequels through Kickstarter preorders than have devs try to guarantee success by "appealing to a bigger audience."

 

[Drkirby]

Their wording for the tiers is odd, it makes it almost sound like they will withhold content if they don't get the money. I don't know.


I really want that $500k version though. I love Mutliplayer Tower Defense games.

I wonder if they are trying to hide the fact that they don't have enough money to keep on their staff though. They may need that much money to keep their entire staff long enough to finish the game. Or it is possible they need it just to pay for the license to an engine they want to use.

 

[Digoman]

Don't know if they can hit $1 million, but even the $250k goal is good enough for me, considering how much I played the original. Now to look in Steam to see how hours was that... ok... nevermind... waaaay to much.

 

[Striek]

I really enjoyed the first, but I'm sceptical that it wasn't successful enough to guarantee a sequel in its own right. I think they just feel that not doing a KS would be money left on the table, and they're probably right.

 

[Kifimbo]

Hmm. Loved the first one, excited for the sequel but...why do they need money ? The first one clearly did well on PC and the XBLA version probably reached 150k. Not to mention CS:GO.

 

[kswiston]

I have a hard time believing the first game barely broke even. Even with the large discounts. They sold over 100k on 360, and probably many times that on PC. Also, weren't they in one of the humble bundles a couple years after the initial PC release?

 

[alphaNoid]

I thought the first one sold really well?

Hell I bought it twice.

Same WTH, we dont need kickstarters for this do we?

 

[chixdiggit]

I loved the first Defense Grid but come on... a million dollars?

 

[gdt]

I played 4 hours of the first, then it started getting hard for me, never went back. Its still on my to play list though, so I'll go back.

Everyone owns and loves this game...so odd that there isn't enough for DG2.

 

[Minsc]

I really enjoyed the first one, but I don't care how flashy your TD game is, the budget should be more in line with 6 figures (or less) than 7.

Good luck for them, hope they make it, because I'll be sure to get it for a few bucks on Steam

 

[Suikoguy]

Seems a bit high... I can see, maybe 500k. Especially since they have code they can reuse from Defense Grid.

1 Million though, for a sequel? For a Tower Defense game?

 

[shintoki]

I don't understand this one.

Basically they are adding more content to DG1? Rather than 2, until they hit 1million?

 

[Data West]

A million dollars for a Tower Defense game

 

[Drkirby]

I don't understand this one.

Basically they are adding more content to DG1? Rather than 2, until they hit 1million?

At 500k it sounds like they will have enough money to finish the D2 engine, and they need anther 500k to make the new content for D2.

 

[Weenerz]

Loved the first game, but I don't support kickstarters. I will gladly buy whenever they release it.

 

[Card Boy]

I think the numbers are complete BS to be honest. No way in hell 8 maps for DG1 are worth 250K.

 

[Visualante2]

So this is why the cs go updates stopped coming?

They've been bug fixing on a content lock. Not sure if that's related but sometimes it's best to double back and ensure everything is working good in development before you make more changes. Potentially they're going to go open beta soon so I'm hesitant to say this is why.

 

[kswiston]

Next up we can kickstart sequels to other indie games that struggled to break even, such as Audiosurf and Braid. The World of Goo sequel is probably held up due to a lack of funds as well. We should fund that too.

 

[Instro]

What did they do with all the money from the first one? That thing has surely sold a ton of copies at this point, particularly with all the steam sales over the years and its involvement in the ARG last year. This just seems like a way to get fans to pay more for the game than they want to.

 

[Card Boy]

What did they do with all the money from the first one? That thing has surely sold a ton of copies at this point, particularly with all the steam sales over the years and its involvement in the ARG last year. This just seems like a way to get fans to pay more for the game than they want to.

Exactly also it did really well on XBLA IIRC. The numbers seem way off to me, something is really amiss here.

 

[Visualante2]

What did they do with all the money from the first one? That thing has surely sold a ton of copies at this point, particularly with all the steam sales over the years and its involvement in the ARG last year. This just seems like a way to get fans to pay more for the game than they want to.

Maybe they sunk it into CS:GO, which hasn't paid out yet.

 

[Card Boy]

Maybe they sunk it into CS:GO, which hasn't paid out yet.

Well how about they wait till it pays off before starting this project? CS: GO will sell millions of copies regardless of its quality despite being worse than Source.

 

[kswiston]

Maybe they sunk it into CS:GO, which hasn't paid out yet.

What developer is going to start making a work-for-hire game they don't own any rights to without being paid during development?

 

[Jo-El]

In for $20. I got a ton of play time out of the original and I probably payed $5 or less for it.

 

[Therion]

I pledged as soon as I heard about this, but doesn't their policy for sending out game keys seem like a bad idea? I'm sure that many unscrupulous folks are going to take advantage of it. Or maybe those people will really like the game and want to pledge for a sequel, but I'm not too optimistic about that.

 

[Baha]

In for $20, hoping they hit $1 mil for DG2.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Pledged. Really love the original. Sequel sounds like a true sequel.

 

[dLMN8R]

I loved the first Defense Grid but come on... a million dollars?

How much, exactly, do you think games cost to produce?

Don't just throw a number out there. Tell me how you reached that number.

Tell me the number of people you think it takes to create a game, how much it costs to employ those people, how much extra business costs add to that total, and then consider taxes, the cut of the total money Kickstarter and Amazon both take out of the total, and then how much they need to profit so that they can continue to exist in the future rather than simply breaking even.


I eagerly await your response.

 

[Hazaro]

I played 4 hours of the first, then it started getting hard for me, never went back. Its still on my to play list though, so I'll go back.

Everyone owns and loves this game...so odd that there isn't enough for DG2.

More gun towers.

At 500k it sounds like they will have enough money to finish the D2 engine, and they need anther 500k to make the new content for D2.

The engine looks totally fine to me. Gimme more content for $250,000.

 

[Grayman]

Next up we can kickstart sequels to other indie games that struggled to break even, such as Audiosurf and Braid. The World of Goo sequel is probably held up due to a lack of funds as well. We should fund that too.

I laughed. It reminds me of that time id started underground street racing to fund DOOM II.

 

[JakkuFurosu]

wow....a million pretty ambitious. I enjoyed defense grid....alot. But a cool mil....idk

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Would have thought that they made more than enough for a sequel and were already working on it.

How much do you even have to pledge to get a copy of the game when it's released?

 

[Painraze]

donated $20