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Democratic House Candidates Were Also Targets of Russian Hacking
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Nothing. Democrats are just sore losers if they persue it.
I mean, think about what you're saying and what it says about your priorities
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Please share what the lame duck president should have done. During an election season. Where the Senate leader threatened to claim it eould be partisan posturing on the side of the Dems.
I'll wait
I keep seeing this view expressed, and find it troubling. If this whole thing is bigger than Watergate then something huge and illegal went down. I would be shocked if Obama even knowing what little the public has been made aware of is just sitting back and doing nothing.
Loretta Lynch on Maddow last said that in regard to cases it is making right now "...can`t say right now what will develop there, but obviously, it`s being looked at and reviewed from a variety of angles."
The WH press secretary two days ago said republicans who knew about Russia's involvement and chose to support Trump will have to explain themselves. If nothing was being done about this, that seems like an odd thing to say more than once. A lot of what he said was actually very interesting, he picked his words very very carefully, with purpose (something only one reporter at the press briefing noticed and questioned).
The CIA story leak was to get this back in front of the public, and now he is waiting for the right time to present the evidence and bring responsible parties to justice.
The stage is currently being set.
The issue is the whole thing needs to be wrapped up before he leaves office in a month or Trump will just put the kibosh on the whole thing.
CIA and the Administration can move incredibly quickly if needed.
Nikodemos
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Actually, according to preliminary reports the Repubs have been hacked as well, yet no data regarding them has 'leaked'.
I agree and I suspect it will be. Doing anything now would be seen as him trying to steal the election from Trump.
People forget Obama is very smart and has an amazing poker face.
From 15 hours ago:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14204E
Senators and others want to have hearings to confirm possible intent.
Case in point the leak on the information had nothing to do with Dems lax security.
Considering both were hacked and only information from the Dems was leaked, intent seems fairly clear.
Trojita
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Hey look who that is
We are at a point where they are asking for "intent" because it is already established NOW that it was Russian actors, yet they couldn't even determine that the Russian cyber attacks were connected to the leaks in November.
Iorv3th
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Some has been leaked but it mostly amounted to nothing. Was listed on the same site as the democrat hacks by guccifier 2.0.
He knew about it awhile too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&mtrref=t.co
Some would say Obama was being a coward others would say pragmatic. Either way it's on him.
Byakuya769
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And that was based on "information available to the public."
This is incredibly fascinating.
Shake Appeal
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Cognitive dissonance is a cruel mistress.
Funny how the Russians are to blame for Democrats imcompetence. This is more political power play ahead of the electoral college vote.
From another NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
NY Times find real evidence before making nonsense claims.
From another NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
NY Times find real evidence before making nonsense claims.
Funny how I see the same people over and over again downplaying the seriousness of this.
You do understand how the internet and hacking works right? Of course it's difficult to find hard, definitive proof when people are covering their tracks.
Wow. Fucking traitors. Go to Russia if that's what you want, you obviously share similar views on human rights and the role of government in our lives.
dynamitejim
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I feel like Russia is just an excuse at this point. A distraction from the fact that the 60+ million people that empower the Republican party are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
These people have been embracing fake news, lobbying awful smears against Democrats, and exhibiting insane levels of hypocrisy well before this election. Russian influence didn't bring us 2 Bush-Cheney terms, flip the House Republican, or turn a ton of State governments Republican during the course of Obama's Presidency. They didn't make the Republican Director of the FBI reopen the email investigation just weeks before the election. They didn't make our news media turn elections into a horse race that needs to be actively kept neck and neck for profit.
And just I'm not sure what can be done about it. They never face up to their failures. They'll either be forgotten or find someone to scapegoat.
These people have been embracing fake news, lobbying awful smears against Democrats, and exhibiting insane levels of hypocrisy well before this election. Russian influence didn't bring us 2 Bush-Cheney terms, flip the House Republican, or turn a ton of State governments Republican during the course of Obama's Presidency. They didn't make the Republican Director of the FBI reopen the email investigation just weeks before the election. They didn't make our news media turn elections into a horse race that needs to be actively kept neck and neck for profit.
And just I'm not sure what can be done about it. They never face up to their failures. They'll either be forgotten or find someone to scapegoat.
KernelPanic
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They know it was the Russians(forensics) and their motive was obvious by whom they targeted and how the information was leaked out.
Many pro Clinton reporters/writers had blocked hundreds of MAGA type twitter accounts who would argue/troll and spew pro-Trump rhetoric. These accounts amazingly vanished right after the election.
All they don't (seem to) have is emails between trump and Putin or something to that effect but we knew they communicated.
Not hard to connect the dots, I imagine FBI and other skeptics want a smoking gun. That's where the disagreement between FBI and CIA lies.
Many pro Clinton reporters/writers had blocked hundreds of MAGA type twitter accounts who would argue/troll and spew pro-Trump rhetoric. These accounts amazingly vanished right after the election.
All they don't (seem to) have is emails between trump and Putin or something to that effect but we knew they communicated.
Not hard to connect the dots, I imagine FBI and other skeptics want a smoking gun. That's where the disagreement between FBI and CIA lies.
I mean, yeah, they do. That's why Russian involvement is not a problem for them. The Republican Party did not ease down a slope into isolationism. It fell through a trap door right into it.
The Atlantic did a piece on this recently.
Nothing. McConnell said Obama would be politicizing the issue if he brought it up so he dropped it. Obama also didn't want to start a cyberwar with Russia seeing as he needs to be on good terms with them to reach some sort of agreement on Syria.
Nikodemos
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That's fucking terrible.
"Fear of escalating a cyberwar"? WTF?!? When somebody's shooting at you, you don't shoot back out of fear of them shooting harder?!?
"Russias cooperation in negotiations over Syria"? They never gave a shit! They only bothered 'negotiating' when the ground situation was favourable to them!
Obama really was kindergarten level at foreign policy. It showed during his terms, it bit him in the ass then, and will bite everybody in the ass afterwards. We seriously need Neorealists back in the driver's seat. Unfortunately, with Trump on the throne, we're likely to not get them any time soon.
Electric Eye
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That's really scary. And a lot of that is even generations that grew up under the constant threat of a nuclear war. All it took was the dismantling of the USSR in name only to convince Americans that's their fellow Americans are a greater threat.
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Will the democrats ever have anyone with enough balls to drag the republicans through dirt and accuse them of treason for the party's role in abetting an enemy of the United States to influence the election?
Lord Frieza
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Lol, I feel really stupid here, but what exactly is chart saying?
Just a reminder, Guccifer 2.0 claimed responsibility for the DNC hacks (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...at-we-know-about-russias-role-dnc-email-leak/).
US intelligence agencies had "high confidence" that the DNC hacks were actually perpetrated by Russia. The US in October formally accused Russia of the DNC hacks in order to manipulate our elections. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/u...cuses-russia-of-stealing-dnc-emails.html?_r=0)
So please, anyone still skeptical that this all ties together and implicates Russia, do some research. This shit is dangerous to our democracy and to the world, and writing it off as "well there's no proof!" is intellectually dishonest at best.
US intelligence agencies had "high confidence" that the DNC hacks were actually perpetrated by Russia. The US in October formally accused Russia of the DNC hacks in order to manipulate our elections. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/u...cuses-russia-of-stealing-dnc-emails.html?_r=0)
So please, anyone still skeptical that this all ties together and implicates Russia, do some research. This shit is dangerous to our democracy and to the world, and writing it off as "well there's no proof!" is intellectually dishonest at best.
Wag
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Rs appear to have more favorable than unfavorable opinion of Putin. Hilariously, this came when Trump was given the nomination and it's been slowly steadying upwards since then.
Lord Frieza
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Honestly, with all this mounting, it should be grounds for a national recount. I know there's no chance of that (is there even any protocol for such a move? I don't know if there is for an American election), but in a just world, that's exactly what should happen in an election so close and so clearly influenced by a foreign party
Ah, okay, I see it now. Holy shit, that is terrifying.
Ah, okay, I see it now. Holy shit, that is terrifying.
Alucard725
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Don't know how this country comes together short of a damn alien invasion. The GOP has aligned itself with hostile foreign power and are traitors. Once he assumes office, Trump will do everything to stay in power with help from his collaborators in congress. He believes the law doesn't apply to him. Hope the Democrats have the spine to oppose him at every turn no matter the cost. Scary shit.
hodayathink
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A national recount will end up almost exactly like the Wisconsin one, where nothing changes in the end and we've spent a ton of money and not accomplished very much. They didn't hack the actual election, they just leaked information that controlled the narrative of the whole thing up until election day.
It's saying that as of late, Republicans as a whole have become very enamored with Putin - a -9 net approval rating means that Republicans are split with approximately 54% disapproval and 46% approval of him. By contrast, Democrats are much closer to 85% disapprove, 15% approve.
And Republicans call Democrats un-American...
Bruce Springsteen
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you want bloggers arrested for publishing BS news? you'd have to lock up every blogger
Suikoguy
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You blame people for being raped too don't you?
Here, a link about Victim Blaming since you obviously don't understand the concept.
Nikodemos
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They didn't hack the voting, they hacked the voters. Much more efficient, and harder to counter.
Lord Frieza
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May not be the same thing, but within the same forest. I think a revelation like that should very much be grounds for a recount, especially when we're talking a election with such a close margin. This shit is major, at least in my opinion.
PantherLotus
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This is some hopium level nonsense right here. The time to act was 4 months ago, 6 months ago.
To this day, nearly 8 years from Obama learning the Republicans are some evil partisan motherfuckers who would rather blow up the country than concede anything ever ... nearly 8 years from learning that the hard way, he's going to sit and wait hoping for a bipartisan consensus to attack this thing.
Of freaking COURSE it will be Obama's famous blindspot that costs him his legacy.
radios shipping overview
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Please learn how the intelligence community functions before you rant.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/14/trumps-war-against-intelligence/
He's saying a recount would amount to fuck all, because people voted based on propaganda. You'd be more accurate to say this should trigger a revote.
Lord Frieza
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I misspoke there, I actually meant revote lol. My bad. We need a new election, frankly, after all this is coming to light. But I know very well we won't.
captjohnboyd
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What I've been really curious about is why, beyond fucking with our system, have the Russians done this. Is it because they genuinely feel like Trump and others on the right are better for them in terms of ignoring their attempts at annexation lately? Is it because they think the Right will run our country into the ground?
I for one find it more likely that it's something at least similar to the latter. The Russians at the top aren't stupid and they know people like Trump are just going to put our country in shambles so why not try and get him elected. Trump's own ties to business over there certainly helps I'd wager, but that doesn't seem like a strong enough reason for the push against the Democrats as a whole
I for one find it more likely that it's something at least similar to the latter. The Russians at the top aren't stupid and they know people like Trump are just going to put our country in shambles so why not try and get him elected. Trump's own ties to business over there certainly helps I'd wager, but that doesn't seem like a strong enough reason for the push against the Democrats as a whole
On a broader geopolitical scale, any political fractures across the west means less unified diplomatic resistance against their own foreign policy ambitions. But with Trump in particular they are placing bets on loosening up economic sanctions.
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