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Democratic Nomination 2008: Who you got?
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Obama or Wesley Clark, I think they'll best at leading the nation.
If neither one, I would go with Hilary.
If neither one, I would go with Hilary.
Red Blaster
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Fuck it, I'll run.
sp0rsk said:
You honestly think that a black person could win ANY of the states that Bush won in 2004? :lol :lol
Republicans would just use his race to get out the vote again in all the states that they need to win just like they did it in 2004 when they rallied against gays (gay marriage). Democrats aren't going to win by appealing to liberals since the election has already proved to us that the majority of people in this country that vote are conservatives. I know its sad but its the truth and if you still don't think that just look at a map of all the red states in this country and most of them are still racist to black people today. Hell I don't think a woman would have much of a chance either. And even Oprah would only be able to pull down blue states so it won't do much for the Democrats even if they got her to run.
APF said:
Dean isn't and was not anti-war. He was against the Iraq war but he was for the war on terror. The guy was also for Desert Storm so where the fuck are you getting anti-war from? Just because people aren't for unjust wars doesn't mean they are anti-war.
Once again you people get brainwashed into thinking that anybody that isn't for the Iraq war is some liberal hippy who is supporting terrorists. If Dean was running this country we wouldn't be in this Iraq mess because he wouldn't have been dumb enough (or have another agenda) to invade Iraq.
Its so fucking amazing that you can lie, kill people, fuck over the Constitution, and hate in this country and still be thought of as a good President but because you screamed during a rally your considered a bad canidate. :lol
Oh and BTW the only reason why people even voted for Kerry in the primaries was because in these mock ass polls on TV they showed that Kerry would "beat" Bush. So stupidly Democrats voted for Kerry instead of the best canidate and ended up getting their assed kicked again. If you people went out and voted for the best canidate instead of who the media told you was the best canidate then Bush probably wouldn't be President right now.
Hillary, the Democrats knew what they were doing and Kerry was just a fall guy last time. If he made it, great, if he didn't they figured Bush would run the republican name down enough that they would have a clean sweep next election. By election time people will be so hungry for change and a woman president will sound too interesting. And hey, Jack Nicholsan can finally get laid. "You can't handle the truth!"
I would like to see Obama as her VP, that would just really clench the deal. For once a VP that wasn't just a dry ass standing behind the Pres.
The only problem that ticket would face would be a Mccain/Powell ticket. I think even I would vote for that.
I would like to see Obama as her VP, that would just really clench the deal. For once a VP that wasn't just a dry ass standing behind the Pres.
The only problem that ticket would face would be a Mccain/Powell ticket. I think even I would vote for that.
andthebeatgoeson
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The Democrats don't have a clue and nobody will win unless they come up with a way to connect to the people.
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McPhineas said:Gore.
Nixon lost in 1960 by a tiny margin, with many of his supporters claiming the election had been stolen. He conceded to Kennedy but ran again and won in 1968.
The Earth is still in the balance, baby!
Unrelated, but I often see Simpsons and Futurama art, always signed Matt Groening, but each time I seriously doubt he actually drew it.
skinnyrattler said:
This reminds me--Democrats will not have any chance at all if true election reform isn't realized. While that doesn't mean that I think that recent canidates were acceptable, I do hope party officals realize that the system is stacked against them to the point that even if they were to find a new Clinton or JFK that would not be enough to win.
ge-man said:
I disagree. I think the democrats will have an excellent chance, provided they put up a candidate who has personality along with a platform. Americans really do want a leader and, unfortunately, neither Kerry nor Gore was much of a forceful figure.
Bush should have been very easy to beat for the right candidate. As it was, the last two elections were squeakers. (Shenanigans -- real or imagined -- aside.)
If Hilary becomes president I'm moving to Canada. Three things come to mind when I think of her..........fake, cold, and zero personality. Dems are pro abortion and it will be difficult for them to win an election from here on out because republicans will argue lack of morals and so on. Morals became important with gay marriage being brought up last election, and it's hard to argue morals when you have a pro abortion platform.
Disco Stu said:
I dunno. Looking at recent headlines out of Ohio make me wonder if Kerry capitulated too early. These voting machines we have make me nervous quite frankly--with no paper trail or the ability to audit the machines in the case of fishy results these "black box" machines can take fraud to a whole new level. Fraud has always been an issue in a elections, and the current system of electronic voting fails to address the problem. As a matter of fact, it's probably easier to fix the vote now than it ever has been.
Ash Housewares
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what happened to that evil vegan guy?
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JayFro said:
murder, the word you're looking for is murder
For everyone shouting for Obama to run in '08, don't you all think it's a little too early? The dude just got into the senate. Give him some time to earn some credibility first. He seems like a great guy, but if you give him a few years, we'll see if he could resist the corrupting powers that Capitol Hill offers him.
Yet are so insecure in those values that they insist they be state-sponsored, because obviously they wouldn't survive otherwise. Ideally, they should advocate against abortion in the private sector, while it is the individual woman's right to evaluate her prospects of bringing a pregnancy to term on her own(women provide more than real estate, you know)... hopefully making the appropriate decision. Personal responsibility and all.JayFro said:
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the red states are running the show right now, and as shitty the current administration might be, they're too stupid to realize it and it doesn't look like things will change by '08. Any of those candidates, especially Dean or Hillary, would get their asses destroyed in an election. Looks like the Bush Dynasty will continue with Jeb. Thats right people, we're going to have a fucking president named JEB. Is there still room in Bishop's basement?
Hitokage said:
Or you could just avoid magically falling on a squirting penis so you woudn't be pregnant in the first place. Or how about adoption? Again, it's all about me me me and taking the easy way out. That's one of the biggest problems with America in general, screw up and it's ok you didn't do anything wrong. Get knocked up because you didn't take the time to use a condom..........it's ok we'll take care of that. How about taking responsibility for what you've done?
I don't think the prospects are that bad. Bush II got back in on a razor thin margin even with everything he did or could have done. Not to mention Bush still had the benefit of being an incumbent and Mr. I Was Here 9/11. The next guy around won't have that although Rove may not be in jail by then either. McCain will have a good shot, but the people Bush's base really want... like Santorum, Frist, or what have you... are going to be facing worse prospects than Kucinich.
I value morals and standards. I voted for Kerry. Bush does not value morals and standards. The arrogance he demonstrates in handling everything from the war to social security is not moral and does not represent any desirable standard.JayFro said:
Quit taking a worn out argument to a lot of us democrats. See, you assume that Kerry can be held accountable simply because he doesn't lash out against abortion. He didn't invent it. You can still get an abortion in the US today. You're crazy if you think just having a Republican in office will eventually solve abortion issues. It will not. A woman's right to abortion is just as much of a social issue as it is a political one. People will fight to keep things the way they are.
And don't get mad at Kerry or other Democrats just because they understand that something like gay marriage is a complex issue, regardless of if there is a Democrat or Republican in office. Kerry simply said he can't speak for what other people decide to do with their lives. He didn't openly embrace gay marriage as something that our country is in desperate need of, and you know it, yet a lot of people act like he really said something like that. I can't believe so many people took the gay marriage issue so seriously. We're at war, our troops or dying, there's a lot of serious problems in this country and the world. But if Ohio didn't push the gay marriage issue on undecided voters, Kerry would probably be in office right now. It's really hard to fathom how shallow a lot of people in this country have become when it comes to such ridiculous issues. The whole "moral" agenda the Republicans pushed was blown way out of proportion.
The VP's daughter is a lesbian and her father admits to loving her. A VP that supports everything George W. Bush has done. Does this seem moral to you? How can you support a man that works with someone that denounced gay marriage... but also be the father of someone who is a homosexual and find absolutely nothing wrong with that person?
Governors? She will have been a two term Senator, plus a "more than" first lady. General? Is that really relevant? Running the CIA probably more a detriment than anything else, especially when one knows what went on during his tenure. And VP easily compares with what Hilary has done. Comparing what she has done to what those guys have done is fairly favorable. Especially as a woman.
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A Clinton/Obama ticket would make this the best elections EVER. There would be ZERO undecided voters, that's for damn sure. As we get closer to '08, I think this country is going to be craving even more change than they do now, making Clinton/Obama the ideal ticket.
I'm betting 4 years from now we'll have a Clinton/Obama office, a damn near 50/50 split in the Senate, and a Repub-controlled House. THAT WOULD ROCK.
I'm betting 4 years from now we'll have a Clinton/Obama office, a damn near 50/50 split in the Senate, and a Repub-controlled House. THAT WOULD ROCK.
Mercury Fred
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What about rape? What about incest? What about teenage girls not having access to decent sex education and/ or birth control when surrounded by a high school full of horny guys?JayFro said:
It's simply not as black and white as "magically falling on a squirting penis."
Diablos said:
I don't think he picked for his daughter to become a homosexual, the argument you are trying to make doesn't make any sense.
Our troops are dying? Is this where you compare this to Vietman where we actually lost a large number of troops? We've lost 1,000+ troops, now go look up how many troops we lost in Vietnam and tell me were losing troops right and left. The number of troops we've lost up to this point is more than understandable when you consider the time and situation in Iraq. Most of the other points you make aren't worth responding to, I don't really think you understand morals and standards in the traditional way. What you equate those things with and what I equate those things with are on two completely different levels. Social security? What a joke, go look up the history of social security and what it was actually supposed to be used for and come back and make that argument.
Who are "all those people"? I heard a lot about flip flopping, but nothing about him being too ambitious.
It's a common thread in things like right wing radio that Hillary is "too ambitious". While I'm not surprised to see people parroting this kind of stuff, it disappoints me. Compare candidates equally, Hillary's breasts do not equate to an inability to lead.
It's a common thread in things like right wing radio that Hillary is "too ambitious". While I'm not surprised to see people parroting this kind of stuff, it disappoints me. Compare candidates equally, Hillary's breasts do not equate to an inability to lead.
Mercury Fred said:
In case of rape and incest I would support the termination, people shouldn't have to carry out a pregnancy that was FORCED upon them. Big difference between forced and sheer stupidity.
As far as horny guys and stupid girls, with the number of sexual instances and content on television and sex ed programs in school if you can't figure out to wear a condom or take other precautions would it really be that much to ask for adoption if you didn't want the baby?
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