BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Kinda puts in perspective why devs remove it after a while most of the time.
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Denuvo reportedly costs 25k a month
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Kinda puts in perspective why devs remove it after a while most of the time.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This industry needs a damned crash.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
....or layoffs
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Good point lol. You have to wonder if a lot of these games that use this junk would lose less than 25k a month from piracy.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Will Denuvo actually persuade 25000/60 = 417 pirates to buy games the first month?
winjer
Gold Member
Considering there are studies, even from official governments, that claim that Piracy does not reduce sales, it's a guarantee that devs are losing a lot more money from Denuvo, than from Pirates.
Devs are getting robbed blind by Denuvo. And then they have the nerve to whine that games are too expensive to make, when they are wasting so much money.
Worse yet, Denuvo by causing performance issues, is reducing sales.
Shake Your Rump
Banned
To me Denuvo seems like one of those unnecessary things that the company just shops around to various corporations until they find some executive who falls for their sales pitch. Some executive who has the power to spend money that isn't his fell for the pitch and then the games get stuck with this shit.
I don't know if there is still an active player-base who avoids all things Denuvo, but I am one of them. I am actually considering buying Civilization 7 on console at launch almost solely due to this.
I don't know if there is still an active player-base who avoids all things Denuvo, but I am one of them. I am actually considering buying Civilization 7 on console at launch almost solely due to this.
Wildebeest
Member
If no manager ever loses their job for signing up for some tech product, then they get it.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Senua
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LordOfChaos
Member
I remember when this was supposed to be the end of piracy. Didn't pan out so well, most releases are cracked pretty fast now.
That's also part of why devs remove it after a while - what they're protecting is the vital first few weeks and months of sales, after that it's going to be cracked anyways
That's also part of why devs remove it after a while - what they're protecting is the vital first few weeks and months of sales, after that it's going to be cracked anyways
Tertullian
Member
That's really cheap? I mean, that's 3 full years for less than a million. Drop in the bucket for a AAA game.
ReyBrujo
Member
All statements are true yet if they use it it's because they get extra sales by using it, otherwise they wouldn't be using it in the first place.
Bojji
Member
Denuvo actually works. Most denuvo games aren't cracked until it is removed bu publisher.
I think 25k is not actual number, it's too low?
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I mean, Empress was the only one actively cracking Denuvo titles last I heard, and she (or he) is no longer doing that. As far as I know, Denuvo titles haven't been cracked in the last year-ish. Unless I am behind the times (which is very possible), that would indicate that Denuvo is effective. Now whether it is worth it is another question entirely.
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Sentenza
Member
I think the cost is actually supposed to scale proportionally to your volume of sales.
LordOfChaos
Member
Oh, it's probably me that's behind the times then. But then I guess it's more about this person retiring or wherever they went, Denuvo was at first hyped to be the end of piracy which it clearly wasn't.
Dirk Benedict
Member
They are so far up their own asses. Most people that pirate can't afford the shit anyway. They're screwing themselves.
Edit: And legit customers.
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Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I'm happy with the pricing model. At least it incentivizes publishers to remove the protection after a while, so fewer game preservation issues.
mayham2199
Member
I haven't gamed on PC in like 2-3 years now but last I checked Denuvo games were not cracked "fast". I like to pirate games so I can get my free trial for as long as I want but the games with Denuvo didn't have that option. So I was forced to use Steams free 2 hours. That's when I realized people online like to make shit up about how Denuvo doesn't work because I even saw people on Steam forums making that claim and when I actually tried to pirate the games that's when I realized oh it does work.
thekillergreece
Member
Cheap cost for games that sell millions like COD, TLOU, etc.
Expensive cost for games that sell less especially for indie games. This also applies to AAA games that will at some point face decreased sales as time goes by.
Some companies removed Denuvo from their games after a year or so. I believe it was because of declining sales over Denuvo's cost.
Expensive cost for games that sell less especially for indie games. This also applies to AAA games that will at some point face decreased sales as time goes by.
Some companies removed Denuvo from their games after a year or so. I believe it was because of declining sales over Denuvo's cost.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
It's already started
MMaRsu
Member
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Denuvo releases aren't being cracked by any sort of scène group.
So basically that means no one is cracking them at all.
Not to say I'm very much against Denuvo DRM. Its trash and great games sell well without intrusive drm.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
That's absolute insanity.
Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters still has that fucking Denuvo.
It really doesn't seem like that big of a game and more like a AA title so why do they even continue to bother with that DRM bullshit especially when bigger Warhammer games like Rogue Trader are DRM free.
Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters still has that fucking Denuvo.
It really doesn't seem like that big of a game and more like a AA title so why do they even continue to bother with that DRM bullshit especially when bigger Warhammer games like Rogue Trader are DRM free.
PendekarRajawali
Member
Who on earth still plays pirated games?
Grildon Tundy
Member
That's a lot cheaper than I thought it'd be.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
50 cent per activated game license.
So if the game sells 1,000,000 copies, that's $500,000 fee right off the bat. Wow.
So if the game sells 1,000,000 copies, that's $500,000 fee right off the bat. Wow.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
I was about to buy persona 5 in the Halloween sale but noticed it still has denuvo, instantly killed my desire to purchase the game.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Ikr? Why would a more obscure Warhammer 40,000 game need Denuvo. Yeah, there it is.
Pharaoh 117
Member
marquimvfs
Member
People here saying it's cheap have no perspective at all. Imagine if the minimum amount of time allowed is 12 monts, it's a 300.000,00 US dollars fee right there. If the developers are small and the game doesn't sell very well (precisely the onea who are paying those fees, big publishers probably pay more), especially if the developers are outside USA, the number become more expressive. Just like an cellphone plan that looked attractive at first, then becone a nuisance that you cannot ged rid of after signing the contract.
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VolticArchangel
Member
Millions (think hundreds of millions, since it's PC) of people who cannot afford a game, but still want to be hip and part of the current FOMO media content frenzy/hype which they can discuss online, and want it for free citing excuses that otherwise wouldn't work on real world palpable things? Sounds about right.
Sorry to quote this almost a month old post, but aren't those two Chinese girls, "fitgirl" and "empress", still active in cracking denuvo equipped games?
M.W.
Member
They are free, so millions I would assume? The RDR PC port will be DL'ed like crazy in a few hours.
MMaRsu
Member
The state of this thread. A post by some pirate twitter account and asking for an industry crash and complaining about the cost of denuvo. That twitter account promoting piracy is why denuvo exists in the first place and the fact that this is the price per month is a good thing.
The cost means that it's a deterrence for the developers too. It means if sales drop below that per month they remove it and we get game preservation still. It means that devs must really see a benefit to including it and piracy has a cost to devs, if they didn't they wouldn't pay for it.
The cost means that it's a deterrence for the developers too. It means if sales drop below that per month they remove it and we get game preservation still. It means that devs must really see a benefit to including it and piracy has a cost to devs, if they didn't they wouldn't pay for it.
Shubh_C63
Member
I think it was proven without doubt that Denuvo does impacts performance and 100% saves on piracy.
Remember even indie Deva saying they see a sharp decline in sales as soon as their games are cracked.
It's sad for people who pay because of performance hit but Denuvo definitely cuts down on piracy.
Pirates only pirate because they don't buy games period doesn't mean ALL pirates. 25K or so is small money to ensure a mindset that if you wanna talk games with your friends, you have to buy it or wait 3 years to come LTTP.
Remember even indie Deva saying they see a sharp decline in sales as soon as their games are cracked.
It's sad for people who pay because of performance hit but Denuvo definitely cuts down on piracy.
Pirates only pirate because they don't buy games period doesn't mean ALL pirates. 25K or so is small money to ensure a mindset that if you wanna talk games with your friends, you have to buy it or wait 3 years to come LTTP.
VolticArchangel
Member
Oh, so who along with Empress cracks denuvo?
Huh. Gone as in she's out of the scene or taking a break? These people crack denuvo which is in the biggest games (high traffic) right?
MMaRsu
Member
Nobody else cracks Denuvo besides Empress.
Last I heard she quit but apparantly not
