SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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How can you not love what's happening with the current Sony and Bungie? I just love it. It'll teach em a lesson for the rest of their lives.
Marathon Brought on a New Creative Director Last Month
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Nonehxc
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MWAHAHAHAHA 
As always with every cash grab FPS MMO sludge that comes out the sewer, I'm gonna bomba
it just for the sake of it.
And I won't stop until we either sink publishers/developers or they start giving me again great immersive FPS.
You've been warned, publishers/developers.
MWAHAHAHAHAHA
As always with every cash grab FPS MMO sludge that comes out the sewer, I'm gonna bomba
it just for the sake of it. And I won't stop until we either sink publishers/developers or they start giving me again great immersive FPS.
You've been warned, publishers/developers.
MWAHAHAHAHAHA
March Climber
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What I hope the actual lesson will be: Don't overvalue the potential purchases of multiplayer studios.
What the internet wants it to be: Be on our side of the culture war and you'll be fine.
What Sony will make it out to be: Bungie should just be absorbed to either make Destiny for the rest of their lives, or be used a support studio for other, more popular Sony (and Marvel) I.P.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Don't think this game can be saved at all as something that will turn a profit. The idea of a yet another extraction shooter probably doesn't appeal to enough people.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Every gaming friend from decades past, that I have from Bungie days before Halo, during Halo era and raided with through D1 & D2 have ZERO interest in Marathon. Not one of us. It says a lot when lifelong hardcore Bungie fans have zero interest right out of the gate.
MayauMiao
Member
- Graphic looks last gen, unfinished, bland, lazy
- Ugly character design
- Strays from the original IP
Its not that hard to understand the negativity towards the game.
ByWatterson
Member
Seems like only bad news but a new direction on a kinda boring game with great gameplay mechanics can only be better than the status quo.
So....
So....
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Honestly, I'd say 1.5-2 years.
My big takeaways are
- Completely redo the art direction. Make it look like classic marathon, but modern. I still don't know why they even want to call it Marathon
- Build a single player mode so that even if the game isn't a big live service hit, you still have people come to it
- Rebalance the game so it can be played in singles, duos, and trios and not just trios
- Set up a new alpha once the changes have been made to multiplayer and get feedback on gameplay and tension
Hero of Spielberg
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Sony will do whatever they can to get Marathon out the door this year.
It's one of the main games they're depending on for income growth.
Sony's PlayStation Division Recorded Strong Growth, but the Outlook Remains Cautious
PlayStation continues to generate more revenue and operating income for Sony than any other division, with operating profit up by 43 per cent. However, Sony remains cautious and expects a decline in sales, although new games are expected to boost operating profit.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sony will do whatever they can to get Marathon out the door this year.
It's one of the main games they're depending on for income growth.
Sony's PlayStation Division Recorded Strong Growth, but the Outlook Remains Cautious
PlayStation continues to generate more revenue and operating income for Sony than any other division, with operating profit up by 43 per cent. However, Sony remains cautious and expects a decline in sales, although new games are expected to boost operating profit.www.gamesmarket.global
Which makes its complete absence from their last big state of play (probably) before it releases all the puzzling.
yogaflame
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Why cant Sony stop this gaas madness which is kiling Sony game development of hight quality exclusives. Hulst and Ryan legacy to game development is pretty bad that it hurts there teams and wasted talents example are Bend and Blue point. Weird that with Sony blind obsession with Gaas they forgot to give more support and even fund the next project of Arrowhead or even buy Arrowhead company, even if helldiver 2 is such a big success. They continue to push this colorful and woke looking and generic gaas which looks like a propaganda for lgbt twisted gender ideology.
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Bernardougf
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They should cancel it and do a mea culpa with this gaas bullshit... assume you fucked up, ask forgiveness from every retard that bought their Pro console (me included) and promise to do better in the future.
The good old times when games were made by nerd man for nerd man ..
StreetsofBeige
Member
Is this new Creative Director the same job as the miserable Marathon guy in the green shirt in last month's chat?
He got replaced? Or this new person is an additional role added?
He got replaced? Or this new person is an additional role added?
yeah, I posted earlier, but learn from Space marine 2, not everything need to be GAAS. Just classic SP + MP + COOP.
XERXES_89
Member
Oh, I know where the hate comes from. From the same place of people cheering up every new publisher acquisition by Microsoft. Its pure console warring.
The things you mentioned are pure subjectives, don't you think? Ugly characters? Last gen graphics? You see? In my opinion graphics and characters are fine and vibes and art direction are superb.
"Unfinished"? A GAAS that hasn't come out yet? C'mon.
About the IP. Its theirs. They can do wherever they want to do with it. Nobody remembers a discontinued almost 30 years old IP.
ZehDon
Member
Word about town is that the paid advertising was pulled so they can scrub the entire game, all promotional materials, and any game-related assets for copyrighted materials they don't have the rights for. Given that, in effective, Marathon's visual identify was basically lifted without permission, I expect this process to take a while. In the meantime, until Sony and Bungie have to figured out what they can legally sell, I wouldn't expect trailers, social media posts, or anything that visually presents Marathon from either Sony or Bungie. Period.
Imtjnotu
Member
BOYS WE MIGHT BE OKAY.
Chukhopops
Member
Hiring Manager: So why should we consider you as Creative Director, what are your skills and how do you represent the core values of Bungie?
Julia: *hands manager a printed copy of his own resume, with only the name changed to hers in the headline*
Hiring Manager: Welcome aboard.
Julia: *hands manager a printed copy of his own resume, with only the name changed to hers in the headline*
Hiring Manager: Welcome aboard.
Peroroncino
Member
Damn, who'd she pissed off to get saddled with that job lol
MayauMiao
Member
Its not console warring, people saw a potential bad product. If you thought this was about console warring, then why no one is doing the same with Helldivers II? This is brand loyalty excuse.
Also, while the things I mentioned about the look of the Marathon are pure subjective, so is yours. So I find it baffling that you "can't understand" why others can have same opinion as mine as if you are the only one who can tell what is good art direction, which is even funnier now that we know this art direction was also a stolen one.
As for "unfinished", it really does look that way. Even Arc Raiders look more polished without relying on stolen (bad) artwork.
Sure, they can do whatever they want with a dead IP and we can have whatever opinion we have on a game that attempt to use an old IP to sell a game.
Liopleurodon
Member
Call Shift Up.
No it won't… Have you not seen what's happened to the comic book industry??? Have you not seen what's going on with Disney??? They are going to triple down on the problems and no the problem isn't GAAS…. Where is the Wolverine game with the Spiderman wall crawling animations? Where is the Horizon Multiplayer with the fat peg legged playable character? There were single player games being cancelled….
The game industry needs to bring back crunch and instill hard work and dedication into their work force.
Shubh_C63
Member
I think it has already happened. I have been free from Destiny for an year now (finally) but people keep telling me they are pushing Destiny to a Diablo4 delivery model.
Judge Magister
Member
Keep Shift Up away from this mess.
simpatico
Member
Aye. We may miss those times, but shareholders miss them even more.
XERXES_89
Member
The perception around I was also bad prior the launch, at least around my bubble.
Please, let my point at your language. No bitter intention. So Bungie is "attempting" to "sell" (us) a game with and old IP, like if they were criminals or con artist. They are not entitlet to sell a game or to reimagine an old IP like other studios can. Thats what I am talking about in termns of negativity, hate and that. The incriminatory language is indicative of the community's predisposition toward this game. The community are not giving a fair chance to Marathon.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
? huh, many companies will still hire based on resume if someone is in the industry for 6 years, but has a solid body of work they've done on other projects, so saying 6 years here is odd, but 7 years for lead designer at WB is normal in and of itself is strange to think its this deep absolute.
Like MUST BE EXACTLY 7 years by the day or some weird thing like this lol
With Destiny 2 winding down, I get why they would move people around as she already has worked with the team
https://careers.blizzard.com/global/en/job/R024881/Senior-Game-Designer-WoW-Classic-Irvine-CA
^ 5 years experience
Senior Game Design Director
^ 5 years
Senior Narrative Designer (Writer) (Temporary) - Infinity Ward in Woodland Hills, California, United States of America | Game/Level Design at Activision
Apply for Senior Narrative Designer (Writer) (Temporary) - Infinity Ward job with Activision in Woodland Hills, California, United States of America. Game/Level Design at Activision
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My point, this is not really a hard and fast, absolute. Many companies will hire based on what you can do, of course if you have a degree, but even not having one, but having a solid resume of experience means many things like "years" can be overlooked if you qualify in other areas.
I know this simply as a manager at an IT company, that is not a absolute like some think it is, like if you have 6 years, 364 days doing a role and they are like "Ohhh wow, it MUST ACTUALLY REALLY BE, by day, exactly....7 years, to the hour even" lol
That isn't really true..
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archangelmorph
Gold Member
6 years is very little experience for any role in the modern video games industry period.
People seem to be forgetting how long typical game dev cycles have become.
That's literally shipping 1.2x games…
nowhat
Member
Was about to reply "you must be new here", but you literally are. You will learn with time, young padawan.
nowhat
Member
He's still feeling the effects of the banhammer for a few months. Otherwise, we'd probably have at least a few threads about Marathon on a daily basis.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It's a mix of it being a GaaS title and wanting Bungie's first new release to fail after Sony bought them. The title being being good or bad has anything to do with it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
We got some amazing first party games and experiences after their last smack into reality (PS3 launch).
So let's see how this plays out for them again.
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Schmendrick
Banned
they could bring in Jesus himself and that wouldn`t change anything anymore if they don`t postpone the thing by another 12 month or so. This is supposed to be out in 3 months...
yurinka
Member
Bungie was already absorved back in mid 2022, when SIE bought 100% of the company, since then is a fully owned SIE subsidiary that reports to the head of SIE's first party games, and since then have SIE's head of 1st party games and SIE's head of marketing in their board of directors.
In the acquisition agreed that some Bungie staff would move to the central SIE/PS Studios teams to support the SIE GaaS teams sharing knowledge and expertise, and Bungie also decided that -obviously- would reduce redundancies since obviously some job positions weren't needed there since they also had people at SIE already doing that job for all their studios.
Bungie keeps their publishing label and publishing all their stuff everywhere day one, but other than that they are part of PS Studios, as seen in the Marathon alpha including the PS Studios logo in the boot sequence. Bungie was incubating a new team to make a new game of totally different genres targeting a different audience, that when ready got their own studio under the PS Studios umbrella.
Other than that, for at least some years they continue and will continue focused in Marathon and Destiny.
It's easy to understand:
- Some Xbox/PC/Nintendo fanboys hate anything coming from Sony
- Some Xbox fanboys are specially butthurted by seeing the creators of Halo at Sony
- Some Sony fanboys hate to see Sony making MP games
- Some Sony fanboys hate to see Sony making GaaS games
- Some Sony fanboys hate to see Sony publishing games outside PS, and day one
- Some Destiny fanboys hate Bungie working in something that isn't Destiny
Sure, Marathon had some issues and would welcome a delay to launch the game in a better state. Pretty likely the game -as many GaaS- will release in a pretty rough/barebones state and over time will keep improving and expanding reaching a great state some time after launch. Nothing rare or specially bad, it's pretty common in the gaming industry. They'll solve that.
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March Climber
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This all sounds like a nice plan…until something goes wrong.
Alan Silvestro
Member
Lol no.
Art is bad, characters are ugly, it seems to watch a worst version of the incredible crashdummies cartoon. And yes, the style is bland and everything looks unfinished.
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yurinka
Member
Well, it's what they already did until now.
Regarding Destiny 2, Lightfall underperformed causing changes in Bungie/Destiny management with some people getting fired and gave more time for the next expansion. As result, the next expansion The Final Shape was a huge success. The 2025 expansions got top 1 in preorders in most non-Asian PSN stores when preorders started. Destiny 2 keeps being a top 10 game in PC every single year.
The Destiny mobile game made with Netease is in beta and looks very good.
Regarding Marathon, its reveal got record numbers and a shit ton of people applied for their closed alpha limited to NA. The impressions of the alpha were good for an alpha, but at least that version (which could be months old) wasn't in a state of a game to be released in a few months. Which combined with the stolen art controversy may get the game delayed. But nothing dramatic, if they don't delay it they'll implement the remaining stuff and polish after launch as many GaaS did before (including Destiny).
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SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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This is exactly what i keep telling myself. The problem is that we don't even known what's coming. They used to announce titles, and if they take a while to come out, well, it is what it is. Now, now we know nothing. And it's been like that for some time. Impossible to be excited for the system and its future when there isn't a new GoW announced, and it's been years since Ragnarok came out.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah. I also want a new Uncharted. Gruff Drake non girl-boss edition. Can't believe it's been almost 10 years
SamuraiEdge
Member
Yeah. I also want a new Uncharted. Gruff Drake non girl-boss edition. Can't believe it's been almost 10 years
I would love a Uncharted 1 Remake, oh sweet baby Jesus. This man dares to dream.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
Member
Damn it is ridiculous that it has been almost 10y wtf.Yeah. I also want a new Uncharted. Gruff Drake non girl-boss edition. Can't believe it's been almost 10 years