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Denver furry convention canceled: Unpaid taxes, neo-Nazism, and sex offender

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kess

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To me it's just different. Similar to cosplaying. I don't do it and I don't want to and it is just different to me. But this isn't my hill.

Yeah, there's a world of difference between an artist who wants to make a beautiful fursuit and some dude dressed up in some ill-fitting, cross-eyed murrsuit. Pathologizing the entire fandom is completely wrong-headed.
 
Yeah, there's a world of difference between an artist who wants to make a beautiful fursuit and some dude dressed up in some ill-fitting, cross-eyed murrsuit. Pathologizing the entire fandom is completely wrong-headed.

where would you rate Cool Cat in terms of beautiful fursuits?
 

Mega

Banned
Oh hey, I was wondering when this would appear on Gaf. Honestly this less a story about furries and more a story about about how insane SovCits are. The real undoing of the con was not paying taxes since 2011 when they lost their non-profit status for... not sending in tax documents. Because the owner of the company is a SovCit and believes he doesn't have to pay taxes.

I have no idea how you keep a con going for ten years without doing taxes, but that's the situation that happened here. The Nazi drama thing I feel like is more a scapegoat the con board used to blame for them shuttering up the con, when in reality I feel like the con venue got wind of the fact the con was dodging the IRS and demanded a larger security deposit which the con couldn't cover.

But yeah, the Nazi thing in the fandom is really super great and it's exactly what I was hoping to happen when I decided to start wearing a cat costume. Please, let this fandom attract Nazis who like wearing dog costumes while Spouting their violent and hateful rhetoric. Please, I need more people to think I'm also a crazy person who tolerates that shit.

Nah, I'm going to be straight with you. Most animated media these days revolves around anthropomorphism. It's completely normal that some kids grow up with a fondness for anthropomorphic characters and want to create their own characters. The furry fandom also has the distinction of being a very welcoming fandom, and frankly, a safehaven for all members of the LGBTQ+ community to feel normal and part of a tight community that has each other's backs.

The issue is in recent years, fringe hate groups that are full of not completely mentally sound people noticed this very welcoming atmosphere and figured they'd slide in and take advantage of it to bring more people into their hate groups. If you look at the large majority of furries who go to cons and are social people who are the ones actually representing the fandom's activities to the world at large, you'll see that near everyone in that group does not tolerate Nazis and would gladly punch a few in the face.

But the problem is that furries are an internet based fandom and anyone can consider themselves furry since it's a self applied label. If you know of a way to get Nazis to quit doing that, I'd love to hear it, because this belief that furries are weird people that faction themselves off and that it's no surprise that Nazis appeared is a completely misguided viewpoint.

Furries are completely normal people, and being part of a community with like minded people is something everyone who doesn't want to be alone will look for in their lives. Dressing up in costumes is something not unique to nerdom, no one harshly critiques cosplayers. Furries just tend to focus in on cartoon aspects because we all love cartoons. And that's not a weird thing either.

These are the most insightful posts in the entire thread.

It really does seem like the Neo Nazism, while real, is a smaller separate element and this is really the organizer's attempt at deflection to cover up the con's terrible mismanagement and debt.
 

Nepenthe

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What IMGF said. Y'all should listen to him; he'll probably have much more patience and chill than I will.

I do want to add on that we are basically embracing the "don't tolerate the intolerant" ideals people have been talking about in the wake of Trump's election and it's been glorious. Reiteration of punching Nazis and laughing alt-right trash back into their like holes just warms the soul, but better yet it's actually resulted in actionable changes in our fandom for the better, such as getting shitfest cons to shut down without much of a step missed. Other fandoms need to honestly take note: you can fix things if you give a fuck.

It's half the reason I hang with these guys. They don't fuck around with whether or not Nazis deserve ostracization because "they're people too." Nah, fuck that.
 

thebeeks

Banned
Oh cool, it's GAF's monthly bash on furries thread!


Anyway, I'm not upset at all at the fate of RMFC. Harboring lowlifes and dodging taxes are both shitty things to do. Combined? You absolutely deserve to have your con implode.

I do feel bad for the innocent furs of Colorado who were looking forward to RMFC. I'd be heartbroken if my hometown con, Texas Furry Fiesta, suddenly ceased to be. Here's hoping Mile High Fur Con turns out to be a much better con.
 

ahoyhoy

Unconfirmed Member
people obsessed over american football are weird

You're telling me it's weird to spend hours every day watching, analyzing and speculating on how well two groups of overpaid large men can slam into one another for eight minutes a week year after year?
 
I know the words "beautiful fursuits" sounds absurd and silly, but there's some real Dark Crystal level shit out there. There's also a lot of shit.

at that point id just call them costumes *shrug*
why are they called fursuits and mursuits etc?
 

IMGF

Neo Member
at that point id just call them costumes *shrug*
why are they called fursuits and mursuits etc?
Because of influential people in the fandom like Uncle Kage that want everyone else to think furries are special people that need special labels.
 

Tigress

Member
Nah, let's just be adults about this. It is absolutely weird behaviour and not in the least bit surprising that it fragments into all kinds of sinister shit. I understand that Neogaf has a sizeable contingent of these characters, but normal behaviour it is not.

You know there are gamers who are nazis. Hell, should I mention gamergate? There are assholes in every group. Just cause you find a group weirder than most (and let me mention there are plenty of people who think adults who game are weird and need to grow up) doesn't mean just cause they have some assholes that what they do leads to being that kind of asshole.

Yeesh, for a forum full of people who themselves have people who are judgemental to them solely for a harmless thing they enjoy there sure are a lot of people willing to do the same to other groups they don't happen to be part of.
 

spootime

Member
I do feel bad for the innocent furs of Colorado who were looking forward to RMFC. I'd be heartbroken if my hometown con, Texas Furry Fiesta, suddenly ceased to be. Here's hoping Mile High Fur Con turns out to be a much better con.

This paragraph is cracking me up man
 

ahoyhoy

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You know there are gamers who are nazis. Hell, should I mention gamergate? There are assholes in every group. Just cause you find a group weirder than most (and let me mention there are plenty of people who think adults who game are weird and need to grow up) doesn't mean just cause they have some assholes that what they do leads to being that kind of asshole.

Yeesh, for a forum full of people who themselves have people who are judgemental to them solely for a harmless thing they enjoy there sure are a lot of people willing to do the same to other groups they don't happen to be part of.

Furries are perpetually at the bottom of the geek hierarchy.

It is really weird the dissonance some here have in regards to other niche hobbies and kinks in general.
 
Oh hey, yeah, the best part of this whole thing is what's happening with the community and BoozyBarrister. His blog posts are really really good.
 

Nepenthe

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Yeesh, for a forum full of people who themselves have people who are judgemental to them solely for a harmless thing they enjoy there sure are a lot of people willing to do the same to other groups they don't happen to be part of.

It staves off the depression of knowing deep down most of the world couldn't care less about the thousands of dollars poured into achieving a nuclear reactor of a computer just to play a dudebro wartime shooter at max settings while screaming profanities at children with shittier specs wrecking them with rocket launchers anyway.

Please understand. It's a burden, but we furries are necessary in the grand scheme of things to keep the upper echelons of nerdom from going to straight Hell.
 

Cepheus

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What IMGF said. Y'all should listen to him; he'll probably have much more patience and chill than I will.

I do want to add on that we are basically embracing the "don't tolerate the intolerant" ideals people have been talking about in the wake of Trump's election and it's been glorious. Reiteration of punching Nazis and laughing alt-right trash back into their like holes just warms the soul, but better yet it's actually resulted in actionable changes in our fandom for the better, such as getting shitfest cons to shut down without much of a step missed. Other fandoms need to honestly take note: you can fix things if you give a fuck.

It's half the reason I hang with these guys. They don't fuck around with whether or not Nazis deserve ostracization because "they're people too." Nah, fuck that.

This. Nazis are not welcome in our community and we shut them down whenever we can. Their views are not tolerated. The uber-tolerant nature of the fandom means that we do not discriminate against, for example, different races or members of the LGBT+ community, and welcome them all with open arms. However, that toleration does not extend to those who discriminate against others, i.e. Nazis.
 
A lot of you are being ridiculous and happily glossing over the rest of the reasoning in here just for the sake of making fun of a different group of nerds. As someone said, this isn't an issue with the furry fandom so much as it is an issue with neo-Nazis and Sovereign Citizens.

But yes, let's ignore a concerning political trend infiltrating and negatively affecting more aspects of society so we can laugh at other people doing their thing, right?
 

Tigress

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Furries are perpetually at the bottom of the geek hierarchy.

It is really weird the dissonance some here have in regards to other niche hobbies and kinks in general.

Yeah. It's probably human nature (people like to think they are at least better than some one) but I find it ridiculous especially in groups that should be able to sympathize cause they get the same attitudes to them. Instead of trying to treat people like they want to be treated they turn around and do the same to another group.
 

Nepenthe

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But yes, let's ignore a concerning political trend infiltrating and negatively affecting more aspects of society so we can laugh at other people doing their thing, right?

It makes me feel good about my questionable life decisions to shit on people more confident in theirs.

Although to be fair, we really don't need other people to concern themselves with the knuckledraggers in our fandom. We got this.
 

BajiBoxer

Banned
For every kink/fetish I've come across, I've also come across a Neo-Nazi sub-faction. It gets far weirder than Nazi furries.
 
It makes me feel good about my questionable life decisions to shit on people more confident in theirs.

Although to be fair, we really don't need other people to concern themselves with the knuckledraggers in our fandom. We got this.

Hey, but it is fun to run damage control.

I get quite a bit of enjoyment from watching people get stuck in a loop of confusion about our little subculture.
 
If you are a furry you have literally no business looking down on anybody. Absolute bottom rung.

A lot of you are being ridiculous and happily glossing over the rest of the reasoning in here just for the sake of making fun of a different group of nerds. As someone said, this isn't an issue with the furry fandom so much as it is an issue with neo-Nazis and Sovereign Citizens.

But yes, let's ignore a concerning political trend infiltrating and negatively affecting more aspects of society so we can laugh at other people doing their thing, right?

I'm sorry you missed out on your yiffing.


Edit: Hello future readers! You are at the bottom of a stupid comment! Later in this thread I give an apology here but I'm going to leave this here because I should wear this. The tragedy of mistakes is not learning from them, and I'm a learn from this one.
 
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I'm sorry you missed out on your yiffing.

I really shouldn't have google image searched "yiffing"...
 

Poppy

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some of y'all are well and truly assholes, but i am happy that expressing your disgust for a harmless subculture of people makes you feel better for a second i guess
 
If you are a furry you have literally no business looking down on anybody. Absolute bottom rung.



I'm sorry you missed out on your yiffing.

Ohhh the edge!

Now you can go about your day knowing you asserted your geekdom is better than others and that you are way better than those dirty disgusting furry peoples.
 
Me said:
A lot of you are being ridiculous and happily glossing over the rest of the reasoning in here just for the sake of making fun of a different group of nerds. As someone said, this isn't an issue with the furry fandom so much as it is an issue with neo-Nazis and Sovereign Citizens.

If you are a furry you have literally no business looking down on anybody. Absolute bottom rung.

I'm sorry you missed out on your yiffing.

This guy literally just proved my point.
 
some of y'all are well and truly assholes, but i am happy that expressing your disgust for a harmless subculture of people makes you feel better for a second i guess

In fairness, the only people getting aggressive are those who pretend that they're animals.
 
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