Desert Vista High School students spell out racial slur on t-shirts

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Zoe said:
That's... pretty vindictive. *insert lawyer joke, I guess*
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I mean, tbf if I was a black
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parent and this shit happened at the school my kid goes to I'd be furious as hell as well. Don't know if i'd take this route but I really can't judge.

Grover said:
alright guys, i genuinely admit that the term racist apparently doesn't mean what i thought it meant and that it encompassed alot more than i originally thought

all i can say is my bad on this one
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I think the confusion stems from the word "racism" being more used as a shorthand for "institutional racism" nowadays. So when people say black people can't be racist, they mean it in the sense that they have no power structure to enforce it.
 
plop said:
Laugh it up, girls. Enjoy having this follow you around.

For the rest of your lives.
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Their lives are generally so easy and painless in comparison to their peers that they're in their own reality. A safe space, if you will.

Without any personal context and experience with marginalization and oppression, everything feels fair game to them.
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I'll admit this was me, growing up in a suburb of Seattle with lots of rich Microsoft and Boeing kids, there was maybe like three black kids in our graduating class. Took an essay writing course in college where white privilege was the topic for the semester, I recall actually going through denial that this disparity existed based on, surprise, the bubble I grew up in. Thank god for travel and higher education.
 
Haha, anybody that thinks this is bad must've lived a very sheltered life. This is fucking childs play compared to the shit I've seen. As a white guy that grew up in a poor, mostly black neighborhood I've seen some shit. Black, white, and hispanic people constantly being racist to each other but never really in a violent way (at least not usually). Just a bunch of trash talking that obviously included a bunch of racial slurs of all varieties and ended with jokes and just fun times all around.

Point is, who the fuck cares? Who looks at these dumb teenage girls spelling out a word that they don't even understand why it could be seen as offensive by the dumb dumbs? Literally every black person I know would just laugh at this shit and more importantly the people being offended by it. Then again, I don't really know many people from the suburbs or high class neighborhoods. My understanding is those people are more often easily offended and also secretly racist.
 
Grover said:
this got me lol
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They're old souls


ABK said:
Haha, anybody that thinks this is bad must've lived a very sheltered life. This is fucking childs play compared to the shit I've seen. As a white guy that grew up in a poor, mostly black neighborhood I've seen some shit. Black, white, and hispanic people constantly being racist to each other but never really in a violent way (at least not usually). Just a bunch of trash talking that obviously included a bunch of racial slurs of all varieties and ended with jokes and just fun times all around.

Point is, who the fuck cares? Who looks at these dumb teenage girls spelling out a word that they don't even understand why it could be seen as offensive by the dumb dumbs? Literally every black person I know would just laugh at this shit and more importantly the people being offended by it. Then again, I don't really know many people from the suburbs or high class neighborhoods. My understanding is those people are more often easily offended and also secretly racist.
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It's not racist because other people are racist!
But are those other people REALLY racist if there are other racists in the world? The point is racism doesn't exist because everyone and no one is racist
 
Dave Inc. said:
No it's an incredibly ugly, offensive word, and because it's so offensive some kids would use it for shock value to get a rise out of others, and seeing as how they were dumb kids they thought it was funny. Then they get older and realize "oh, that was pretty shitty of me."

My first inclination would be to call them ignorant and insensitive, but not necessarily racist, as the word would be used more for shock than any sort of racial derision (as inescapable as that aspect is). To that point I never actually heard it used in reference to a person, because even the kids back then knew that there would be a difference about using it as shock and using it as an attack.
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I believe this school is in the southeast valley here in AZ. I used to attend HS further East and I can tell you I definitely faced racism. It's Mormon/Christian land in many of those parts. I've seen confederate flags every so often. Some people in school would call me Jose (my name is not Jose). They'd ask me when I could go do some landscaping for them. A couple goofs would laugh at me just for speaking... They said I had an accent... I have no accent. I had a better grasp of English than most white kids. But they laughed.

These girls... Racist? Yeah, I'd say so.
 
rec0ded1 said:
When I was their age I used to think how once the older gen got old or died off this crap would cease but....
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I think it'll be even worse with the millennials. We still have the racists who are raising their offspring to be just like them, but we also have a generation who was raised being taught that "racism is over" and that it ended with MLK. With that we have this new issue where most millennials don't even think racism exist. This breads all the new bullshit we have to deal with like diet racism and "reverse racism".
 
ThisGuy said:
Why is this a white thing? Why don't you see other races doing this as much as white people?


This is terrible, no doubt, I don't mean to change the subject slightly, but I don't understand why this is so prevalent among whites. Is it a symptom of being on top?

Growing up it was mostly a white thing. And in the media it seems to me to be a white thing. What gives? To be racially insensitive like the frat parties in the past is what I'm driving at, my question is not meant to be limited to that word.
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I dunno, but I'll say anecodatally most of my ethnic friends had different relationships with their parents compared to my white friends. White parents DGAF lol
 
PBY said:
Is that wrong tho
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I mean, I've been banned for stuff like this. So I'm not going to make a big deal about this.

But can't we just say that this was just some idiots who did a stupid thing? Why draw the line between white people and everyone else? Isn't that overall harmful for race relations?
 
Vault Dweller 111 said:
I mean, I've been banned for stuff like this. So I'm not going to make a big deal about this.

But can't we just say that this was just some idiots who did a stupid thing? Why draw the line between white people and everyone else? Isn't that overall harmful for race relations?
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I think the girls making the shirt that spells "nigger" is what's harmful to race relations, but that's just me. Also why are you trying to divorce racism from a story that's literally about 6 white girls spelling out nigger on their shirts?
 
Vault Dweller 111 said:
I mean, I've been banned for stuff like this. So I'm not going to make a big deal about this.

But can't we just say that this was just some idiots who did a stupid thing? Why draw the line between white people and everyone else? Isn't that overall harmful for race relations?
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1) You ain't here.
2) You can't tell a minority what counts as racism.
3) Drawing lines... You're putting the burden on the wrong people.
 
I lived in Arizona for probably about fourteen years. This is one of the reasons my wife and I moved to Seattle (where I'm originally from). It's not perfect here, but there it's pretty bad. Overt and covert racism abounds, and since my wife is white, she got a lot of sideways looks (and one "you're a nigger lover" from an old white lady). She already was down on how racist, sexist, unfriendly to the mentally disabled, etc. her state was, but the experience made her flat out say that she wouldn't raise a black-identified child in the Phoenix area.

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all. What DOES surprise me is that, at least according to this thread, apparently there are Arizona Cardinals fans! To be fair, I bet they've had a long-term, devout following since 2015, though.

(j/k because seriously, the Cardinals are too irrelevant to hate and that city really is a Suns and Sun Devils football city.)
 
Vault Dweller 111 said:
you guys seem less interested in fixing the problem than you are in complaining about how rampant it is.

NOPE! Forget it. Sorry I said anything. I'm out!
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How should we fix the problem of too many white folks being racist? That's their problem to fix.

And no, you don't get to have people ignore your victim-blaming because you asked them to.
 
Vault Dweller 111 said:
Oh geeeeeez.
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You know, normally I don't care for generalizing people, but I think what he's saying is pretty much right on the money in this case. Just look at that picture. Those girls are living in a bubble. They know full-well that what they are doing is terrible, but they have no expectations of repercussions for their actions.

Now, I'm kind of on the fence regarding publishing their names. On one hand they deserve to be called out on the issue, but on the other hand there are some really scary people out there. But I guess that's another issue altogether.
 
Vault Dweller 111 said:
you guys seem less interested in fixing the problem than you are in complaining about how rampant it is.

NOPE! Forget it. Sorry I said anything. I'm out!
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I hate when people pull this coward shit. Post something they know will get a lot of responses only to say "I'm out!"

Fuck was the point of posting if you're too scared to articulate your points?
 
Order said:
I hate when people pull this coward shit. Post something they know will get a lot of responses only to say "I'm out!"

Fuck was the point of posting if you're too scared to articulate your points?
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No kidding. Don't ask a question then run away when people answer it.
 
Whoa. That was taken totally wrong. I'll probably get canned for that if that's how it's being interpreted. Before I go:


I'm very sorry if you guys thought I was doing anything even close to victim blaming. Wasn't even close to what I was trying to do.
 
Principate said:
People hate being called a racist, doing racist actions, and usin racial insults are fair game, just don't call me a racist, that's too far man too far
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Quote one single post that says this please.


There is a grand difference between calling their actions racist and declaring them racists for it.

What they did was absolutely racist and they need to be punished accordingly but that does not necessarily mean it reflects on their actual beliefs of equality (at least from this particular act). Implies sure, and it can definitely be a red flag in case they either have a history or keep up this shit. But this single act should not be used as a branding iron that casts them out of society and instead into their own pockets of disdain so they can just further cultivate upon that racist behavior.

Especially for teenagers it's incredibly important to actually teach them these moral lessons and what they did wrong than to just make them shell up and completely miss the lesson or even ingrain their defenses, or do we not actually want progress?


And no this isn't to say that racists don't exist, they're still very much prevalent in day to day life and news stories - but we need to properly identify racist beliefs versus racial insensitivity because the latter is more due to a lack of understanding or awareness which can still be learned.
 
GuessMyUserName said:
Quote one single post that says this please.


There is a grand difference between calling their actions racist and declaring them racists for it.

What they did was absolutely racist and they need to be punished accordingly but that does not necessarily mean it reflects on their actual beliefs of equality (at least from this particular act). Implies sure, and it can definitely be a red flag in case they either have a history or keep up this shit. But this single act should not be used as a branding iron that casts them out of society and instead into their own pockets of disdain so they can just further cultivate upon that racist behavior.

Especially for teenagers it's incredibly important to actually teach them these moral lessons and what they did wrong than to just make them shell up and completely miss the lesson or even ingrain their defenses, or do we not actually want progress?


And no this isn't to say that racists don't exist, they're still very much prevalent in day to day life and news stories - but we need to properly identify racist beliefs versus racial insensitivity because the latter is more due to a lack of understanding or awareness which can still be learned.
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Define progress if you don't mind.
 
knkng said:
Realistically, they probably just thought it was funny, but that really brings up the deeper issue of why these girls would think such a thing would be appropriate under any circumstances.
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That's what I mean. If you want to rearrange letters to be funny ASS is right there. Why is racism the funny thing?
 
As a white person I can attest that white people love to use this word when they are in a safe space. I.e no black people. It's really shocking when people I know that are super liberal, support BLM, and are super involved in politics and generally well versed in racial issues just yell, "Yeah! What, ni**a!" While we are playing a game or something. It just doesn't make sense why they think it is okay.
 
Dave Inc. said:
Teenagers are just fucking stupid, and nigger is a very bad, very obscene word and thus, to teenagers, hilarious.

That people are going crazy and actually tracking down their names, that's fucked up. Not to say that these kids didn't do a vile thing but that's kind of what teenagers do and we should be better than to go all mob justice on them.
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Oh fucking please they're getting what they so deserve. I hope they live miserable lives for now on.
 
d0hv said:
Oh fucking please they're getting what they so deserve. I hope they live miserable lives for now on.
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This is a sick form of justice I hope you realize that. Wouldn't it be better to let this backlash help bring awareness to them how fucked it is to do that and thus change their perspective for the better? But no, better for them to be an additional burden on society and live in the gutter.
 
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